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    What a shocker. Another day with a final wave of capitulation tomorrow ?
    Hey Winner...that head and shoulders is now complete except we can't see it because there's this new listing ticker.
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    I would think like any good bank the extra costs will be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher interest rates. Will be interesting how these tightening credit conditions will flow into the NZ housing market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by couta1 View Post
    This things broken and I bought more yesterday at $1.45, I'm moving back to my roots next year by getting away from diversification in any meaningful way, every time I've gone beyond holding 3 or 4 stocks I've been skunked.
    I think the mistake is not diversification but not understanding risk-or just being greedy.
    Perhaps we get carried away and biased on threads such as this.
    You mentioned sometime ago you had invested in mercury.
    In my case the gains from this have far outweighed the loss here.
    Most of my investments are low risk and diversified.
    Strange how we dont seem to talk so much about the less risky shares .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_Rubble View Post
    I would think like any good bank the extra costs will be passed onto the consumer in the form of higher interest rates. Will be interesting how these tightening credit conditions will flow into the NZ housing market.
    ANZ NZ has come out and said they will need additional $ 6-8 BILLION to meet the new capital requirements. BNZ, Westpac and ASB have all said they need large numbers. All the aforementioned, as well as Kiwibank, have said there is no question mortgage and other lending rates need to go up.
    Lets see if the Reserve Bank actually goes ahead with this. Can't imagine the Government being excited about it.

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    https://tmmonline.nz/article/9765141...rowth-kiwibank

    I like the analogy of the plumber used in this story. I expect the net effect on HGH in terms of earnings per share going forward to be minimal if any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://tmmonline.nz/article/9765141...rowth-kiwibank

    I like the analogy of the plumber used in this story. I expect the net effect on HGH in terms of earnings per share going forward to be minimal if any.
    Costs going up, to me, is likely outcome. Has (intended) consequence of making credit more expensive and will help cap demand for credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    What a shocker. Another day with a final wave of capitulation tomorrow ?
    Hey Winner...that head and shoulders is now complete except we can't see it because there's this new listing ticker.
    Here we go - courtesy of bigcharts:

    HGHHuS.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Here we go - courtesy of bigcharts:

    HGHHuS.jpg
    Jeez thatís one really sad chart

    Multiyear lows and nearly 40% off itís not that long ago highs

    What a dog

    Doubt Heartland will be showing a TSR Chart in their upcoming presentations .....Jeff was always so proud of such a chart and shareholders salivated over it.

    Maybe reasonably priced by the market now ....just

    I take my hat off to those punters who sold out over 2 bucks
    ďJust consider that maybe the probability of you being wrong is higher than you think.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Here we go - courtesy of bigcharts:

    HGHHuS.jpg
    The Mountain looks complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Jeez that’s one really sad chart

    Multiyear lows and nearly 40% off it’s not that long ago highs

    What a dog

    Doubt Heartland will be showing a TSR Chart in their upcoming presentations .....Jeff was always so proud of such a chart and shareholders salivated over it.

    Maybe reasonably priced by the market now ....just

    I take my hat off to those punters who sold out over 2 bucks
    Thanks and many thanks to you BP for the chart. I reckon we're very close to a bottom on this. $1.32 would see this as a perfect 10/10
    Forward PE of 10 based on forecast earnings of 13.2 cps and 10% gross dividend yield based on 9.5 cps / 0.72 = 13.194 cps gross.
    Those are to the best of my recollection the best metrics this company has traded on in many many years.
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/9...ges-higherhtml
    We all know this strong correlation so that suggests we have already hit a bottom and its onward and upward from here.
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    From todays announcment

    "Heartland's Tier 1 capital ratio is currently approximately 13.2%. If the proposal was to be implemented in its current form, Heartland would be required to lift its Tier 1 capital ratio to 15% over a 5 year transitional period. This equates to an increase in Tier 1 capital of less than 0.4% (or approximately $15m) per year, based on Heartland's current financial position.

    Following the recent corporate reorganisation, Heartland's new corporate structure gives it some flexibility to mitigate the impact of any future changes:

    o Heartland's Australian reverse mortgage business (with approximately A$640m of assets) is not part of Heartland's banking group. Hence any new capital requirements will not apply directly to those assets.

    o Heartland's corporate structure provides for various capital raising options. For example, Heartland Group Holdings Limited could potentially raise debt, and use the proceeds to subscribe for new Tier 1 capital in Heartland Bank Limited. "

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    (Assuming it was reported correctly), whoever at Maquaries said HGH would need to raise $1b in extra capital should be fired as in my opinion they have seriously undermined the credibility of their organisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    (Assuming it was reported correctly), whoever at Maquaries said HGH would need to raise $1b in extra capital should be fired as in my opinion they have seriously undermined the credibility of their organisation.
    True, but thanks to them the market was really depressed. Bought some this morning at 136 ... and think I might owe them a beer ; time will tell ...
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    Dam, all the panicking is over and I missed out on cheap shares... ah well
    OCA still getting cheaper so might have to look there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    (Assuming it was reported correctly), whoever at Maquaries said HGH would need to raise $1b in extra capital should be fired as in my opinion they have seriously undermined the credibility of their organisation.
    This is surely worth a "please explain".

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