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    Fair enough janner, and I'm definitely trying to learn. Greatly appreciate the wealth of knowledge on these forums, but I understand the need to make my own mistakes.

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    Oldtech.
    Google The Zulu Principle by Jim Slater.A good place to start.

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    Sorry it is my mistake on the ROE.
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    From Heartland presentation dated 2nd June 2016.
    ROE.
    2012... 4.2%
    2013...6.5%
    2014...9%
    2015 ...10.4%.
    Steadily increasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtech View Post
    Fair enough janner, and I'm definitely trying to learn. Greatly appreciate the wealth of knowledge on these forums, but I understand the need to make my own mistakes.
    It is really a game.. and all games have rules..

    You do not play by the rules .. You get penalised ..

    The trend is your friend..

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    Exclamation Somewhere there must be a definite statement on this LTI

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion View Post
    Directors Chris Flood and Jeff Greenslade buying more shares... but I think really just conversion of options to shares.

    https://www.nzx.com/companies/HBL/announcements/289210
    https://www.nzx.com/companies/HBL/announcements/289208
    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Read how much both spent.
    Very large sums of money.
    A little digging suggests that Onion is more likely to be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    A little digging suggests that Onion is more likely to be right.

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    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    A little digging suggests that Onion is more likely to be right.

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    $1.49 per new share with the proceeds going to shareholder funds - well above NTA
    SCOTTY

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCOTTY View Post
    $1.49 per new share with the proceeds going to shareholder funds - well above NTA
    Pick up your well thumbed copies of the Financial Statements and find the section "Staff share ownership arrangements".

    Read through it carefully and pay particular heed to the word 'expense' and similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    Pick up your well thumbed copies of the Financial Statements and find the section "Staff share ownership arrangements".

    Read through it carefully and pay particular heed to the word 'expense' and similar.

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    From the NZX notice- consideration divided by number of shares =
    What am I missing here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Read how much both spent.
    Very large sums of money.
    Yes indeed - very large sums of money

    Aren't we (as owners) very generous in allowing the issue of all these new shares as part of an incentive scheme (and then giving them to the likes of Flood and Greensleeves and others)
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