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    I rest my case.

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    Australia's evangelical PM has made it illegal to criticise religion in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Shocking, the bill will allow people to override anti-discriminatory Federal laws, on the basis of a persons religious beliefs.
    e.g. a school principal might not employ a gay teacher or discriminate against a gay student, or allow a business to discriminate against a person of another religion, or a doctor to object to certain procedures. They're even seeking assurances it won't allow discrimination against people with a physical disability.
    After the Israel Folau incident, you would think they would have learnt their lesson but I suppose he got a lot of support from some religious groups.
    Such a backward step.
    Not much different to the Taliban.


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    All the legislation in the world will not prevent discrimination. No law can control what you think. - Discriminate all you like - just keep the reason to yourself.
    If you don't like Muslim bi-sexual dwarves, no law can make you employ one. Just don't tell her why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    All the legislation in the world will not prevent discrimination. No law can control what you think. - Discriminate all you like - just keep the reason to yourself.
    If you don't like Muslim bi-sexual dwarves, no law can make you employ one. Just don't tell her why.

    Imagine, people like Israel Folau will be able to spout all that gays will go to hell & damnation stuff with complete impunity, Australian Rugby Union would not be able to terminate his contract under this law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Imagine, people like Israel Folau will be able to spout all that gays will go to hell & damnation stuff with complete impunity, Australian Rugby Union would not be able to terminate his contract under this law.
    So he should be - not that I agree with him, but I fully support free speech - whatever it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    So he should be - not that I agree with him, but I fully support free speech - whatever it is.

    Not when Israel Folau's free speech is incredibly damaging to other people, esp younger vulnerable teenagers struggling with sexuality or any vulnerable person battling repression.

    It's like the appalling stories of Catholic priests & nuns in Ireland (& elsewhere), telling unmarried mothers they would spend eternity in hell & taking their babies off them, or controlling abused children with similar threats of damnation if they told their parents.

    No thinking decent person could 'fully support Free Speech - whatever it is', & I think/hope you don't mean that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Not when Israel Folau's free speech is incredibly damaging to other people, esp younger vulnerable teenagers struggling with sexuality or any vulnerable person battling repression.

    It's like the appalling stories of Catholic priests & nuns in Ireland (& elsewhere), telling unmarried mothers they would spend eternity in hell & taking their babies off them, or controlling abused children with similar threats of damnation if they told their parents.

    No thinking decent person could 'fully support Free Speech - whatever it is', & I think/hope you don't mean that.
    Catholic churches in NZ preach eternal damnation - burning in hell for all eternity and similar nonsense. Some other churches aren't much different. If that's their belief surely they can say so. As far as threats to tell parents if kids have been abused (by the church I imagine) that's so different. It's criminal stuff. Threats of violence etc - definitely not. That's criminal. Personally I wouldn't let children near any religous organisation while they're young and gullible. If I believed in banning speech - religous instruction to kids would be the first to go, Sunday schools, bible classes and camps etc. Plenty of time to explore such things when they can reason - not when they're into Noddy and Superman. So I'm all for free speech but with age limits for certain things, a bit like we have movie censorship e.g. Adults, R18 etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Catholic churches in NZ preach eternal damnation - burning in hell for all eternity and similar nonsense. Some other churches aren't much different. If that's their belief surely they can say so. As far as threats to tell parents if kids have been abused (by the church I imagine) that's so different. It's criminal stuff. Threats of violence etc - definitely not. That's criminal. Personally I wouldn't let children near any religous organisation while they're young and gullible. If I believed in banning speech - religous instruction to kids would be the first to go, Sunday schools, bible classes and camps etc. Plenty of time to explore such things when they can reason - not when they're into Noddy and Superman. So I'm all for free speech but with age limits for certain things, a bit like we have movie censorship e.g. Adults, R18 etc.
    The traditional teaching of hell is not even scriptural, it has its origins from the Italian Poet Dante and then was picked up by the Roman Catholic Church, until the King James Bible was printed the only words used in the Hebrew and Greek for the place of the dead was Sheol and Hades. I was also taught this myth 40 yrs ago when I started following the Christian faith and believed it for many years but have since seen its absurdity. The idea that God will have some eternal torture chamber running in the background forever is completely insane but yes it is the tool of fear used against many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Shocking, the bill will allow people to override anti-discriminatory Federal laws, on the basis of a persons religious beliefs.
    e.g. a school principal might not employ a gay teacher or discriminate against a gay student, or allow a business to discriminate against a person of another religion, or a doctor to object to certain procedures. They're even seeking assurances it won't allow discrimination against people with a physical disability.
    After the Israel Folau incident, you would think they would have learnt their lesson but I suppose he got a lot of support from some religious groups.
    Such a backward step.
    Not much different to the Taliban.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...imination-bill
    No, it is not different to the Taliban. It’s the same philosophy to dominate those who are “other.”

    The bill is about maintaining about white supremacy.

    In the most basic sense, white supremacy is a philosophical, material, ethical, economic, scientific, religious, and political system that works to maintain the dominant and relative superior group position of those identified as "white" (and their allies) over those marked as "non-white." Not just white, but heterosexual, Christian and male.

    White privilege is central here: those people considered “white” are also judged to be “normal”; the experiences of white people are taken to be universal and a baseline for how others are to be evaluated; blacks are judged en masse as having “bad culture” while whites are de facto viewed as having “good culture.”

    White people are viewed as individuals where the bad behavior of one white person does not reflect at all on the merits of the group. By comparison, people of color are not afforded that freedom.

    Implicit and subconscious bias, as well as taken for granted stereotypes and “common sense,” can also serve a white supremacist order.

    https://www.alternet.org/2014/04/10-...ite-supremacy/

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