If National wins ...

[craic]

Interesting idea (the Trump effect). A wall around Whangarei?. All islanders who are not citizens deported? All abortions banned? No more Muslims? I think Winnie will try but he has a hard row to hoe here in that the country is doing very well by most standards and any radical ideas will be hard to find.

[elZorro]

Interesting idea (the Trump effect). A wall around Whangarei?. All islanders who are not citizens deported? All abortions banned? No more Muslims? I think Winnie will try but he has a hard row to hoe here in that the country is doing very well by most standards and any radical ideas will be hard to find.

Patrick Smellie's opinion article says that a tectonic change is occurring. It's probably not a bad thing, because if climate change really does kick in, every continent will be on their own, trade greatly reduced.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opin...+November+2016

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". . . if climate change really does kick in, every continent will be on their own, trade greatly reduced."

I'm curious. How do you come to that conclusion?

[elZorro]

". . . if climate change really does kick in, every continent will be on their own, trade greatly reduced."

I'm curious. How do you come to that conclusion?

The scientists have been saying for a while that climate change scenarios are very scary, many of these same scientists have quietly purchased boltholes in cooler parts of the world, have already moved, or are preparing to move. The changes are on such a scale that global trade would be severely affected. Think about it - at the moment world trade relies on fossil fuel being pumped out of the ground, being refined, shipped round the world in supertankers, and everything hinges on that. Supermarkets, cheap goods from China, etc. Disrupt any part of that co-operative chain and the world will be a different place.

[craic]

Self sufficiency is not a bad thing. You have a roof over your head. In my home village various individuals had their speciality and trading a few eggs for some cabbage or potatoes or whatever saw ever. We had no vehicles, supermarkets, cell phones or even electricity for years. Food was fairly basic and treats relied cooking skills. Sugar was severely rationed during the war. I don't remember being any less happy there than here and now. One huge difference was temperature. Then you froze in winter, huddled around fires and suffered the summer heat. Here everything is air conditioned and anyone exposed to less than 15 degrees Celsius is screaming hypothermia. I'm sure that a large part of the obesity problem relates to the fact that we are not allowed to use ingested energy to regulate body temperature. We had a series of exercises to "get warm" - anyone ever heard of them recently?

[fungus pudding]

The scientists have been saying for a while that climate change scenarios are very scary, many of these same scientists have quietly purchased boltholes in cooler parts of the world, have already moved, or are preparing to move.

Who are 'the scientists' who use such technical terms as scary? How many have bought boltholes around the world? How do you know?

[elZorro]

Who are 'the scientists' who use such technical terms as scary? How many have bought boltholes around the world? How do you know?

FP, if you have nothing better to do, and most people should be in that category, watch this short video, and by about 5 mins in you'll start to get the idea. Things could change very quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ

[fungus pudding]

FP, if you have nothing better to do, and I don't think there are many on the planet who should be in that category, watch this short video, and by about 5 mins in you'll start to get the idea. Things could change very quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ

Three simple questions, and you didn't answer even one.

[elZorro]

Three simple questions, and you didn't answer even one.

I would have hoped that after watching the video, you'd see that scientist looked scared for the whole planet, and that a big change could happen anytime now. A bit of googling and you'll start to see how some of them are going offline, moving, setting up boltholes.

[Vaygor1]

I would have hoped that after watching the video, you'd see that scientist looked scared for the whole planet, and that a big change could happen anytime now. A bit of googling and you'll start to see how some of them are going offline, moving, setting up boltholes.

... Yeah, like Al Gore's beach-front bolthole he bought in 2010.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.WC9Uz3dg3eQ
http://nation.foxnews.com/al-gore/20...lifornia-coast
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr...-gore-20100428