If National wins ...

[Zaphod]

Firstly, let me be clear: my statements are from a technical support perspective, not whether Judith is correct or not.

Government departments do not conduct meetings at the same scale nor with the same procedural requirements as parliament does. A parliamentary session is like trying to keep a group of rowdy 3 year olds on task, not a small number of professionals, so the experience and controls required to execute this are quite different.

You may think that they do not have issues conducting meetings with multiple participants, but they do, and these issues are addressed by technical support staff as well as the end-user training already provided.

These departments also do not use Zoom as their primary technology platform for video conferencing, so do we change to that platform? What happens if one participant wants to use a different platform because their cousin recommended it? (Yes, that does happen) Who supports this? Do we stay with the existing MS Teams service? Who provides support during the session? Do we have enough staff to provide support? Do the participants all have enough bandwidth (some use cellphone connections, not fibre)?

Based on my personal technical experience establishing and supporting this type of environment, I've already highlighted a number of issues in the provision of the service and support in the post above, and there are numerous additional over and above these. All of these issues must be addressed beforehand to enable a smooth digital based session to be conducted, and this should have already been completed.

[dobby41]

Sure thing. So was that ready to go? Including Speaker Mallard who would be running it?

They were given the opportunity so must have been ready to go.
I don't think they actually use Zoom as such but 'zoom like'.

[Balance]

They were given the opportunity so must have been ready to go.
I don't think they actually use Zoom as such but 'zoom like'.

Yup - same as when Kiwibuild was ready to go.

[dobby41]

Yup - same as when Kiwibuild was ready to go.

Parliament and Government are two different things.
Open your eyes rather than be blighted by your rabid bias.

[Balance]

Parliament and Government are two different things.
Open your eyes rather than be blighted by your rabid bias.

Both are handled by same government - Cindy and/or Trevor Mallard.

[dobby41]

Both are handled by same government - Cindy and/or Trevor Mallard.

We have already had virtual committees that worked well - Parliament is just a scale issue.

[fungus pudding]

Firstly, let me be clear: my statements are from a technical support perspective, not whether Judith is correct or not.

Government departments do not conduct meetings at the same scale nor with the same procedural requirements as parliament does. A parliamentary session is like trying to keep a group of rowdy 3 year olds on task, not a small number of professionals, so the experience and controls required to execute this are quite different.

You may think that they do not have issues conducting meetings with multiple participants, but they do, and these issues are addressed by technical support staff as well as the end-user training already provided.

These departments also do not use Zoom as their primary technology platform for video conferencing, so do we change to that platform? What happens if one participant wants to use a different platform because their cousin recommended it? (Yes, that does happen) Who supports this? Do we stay with the existing MS Teams service? Who provides support during the session? Do we have enough staff to provide support? Do the participants all have enough bandwidth (some use cellphone connections, not fibre)?

Based on my personal technical experience establishing and supporting this type of environment, I've already highlighted a number of issues in the provision of the service and support in the post above, and there are numerous additional over and above these. All of these issues must be addressed beforehand to enable a smooth digital based session to be conducted, and this should have already been completed.

What scale? We are not talking about the full parliament. This is about select committee meetings, which are relatively small groups - maybe 10 to 12 members. Surely they can hold the occassional virtual meeting when circumstances dictate. Yes - you have highlighted the odd problem, but that's life - and you can be assured that real-life face to face meetings will have problems that are just as big - if not bigger, like missing a flight, or airport fogged in, etc.

[Blue Skies]

Interesting week ahead.
Rumblings started up regarding Simon Bridges replacing Judith Collins after Judith's explosion in Caucus, brittle & defensive performance on breakfast TV & debacle around using Zoom. ( backfired horribly when so many employees, elderly & even school kids having to use zoom every day, & Australian parliament ).

Who would be the better caretaker, Bridges or Collins?
Many starting to think Bridges, he looks more relaxed & likeable than he has for years.
Apart from a very diminished core of supporters, Collins seems to be alienating so many with her brittleness, & intense angry exchanges, stress getting to her & the false smiles just make it worse.

[fungus pudding]

Interesting week ahead.
Rumblings started up regarding Simon Bridges replacing Judith Collins after Judith's explosion in Caucus, brittle & defensive performance on breakfast TV & debacle around using Zoom. ( backfired horribly when so many employees, elderly & even school kids having to use zoom every day, & Australian parliament ).

Who would be the better caretaker, Bridges or Collins?
Many starting to think Bridges, he looks more relaxed & likeable than he has for years.
Apart from a very diminished core of supporters, Collins seems to be alienating so many with her brittleness, & intense angry exchanges, stress getting to her & the false smiles just make it worse.

Neither Bridges or Collins will ever be P.M. Next National leader hasn't shown interest yet ......... but she will soon.

[RTM]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...lockdown-rules

Gosh, Judith is all class, isn’t she !