If National wins ...

[Logen Ninefingers]

Michael Woodhouse is 'mean & nasty'(?) Sticks and stones!?!

Agree that Goodfellow should go - and Collins must go. ACT now on 15% and steadily gaining on National. Politics is a bit like religion: when you have a small following you are labelled as a cult and derided, once you pass a certain threshold of numbers you get the respect of the masses and graduate to becoming a 'religion'. National have to be careful that ACT don't take over their mantle as the true 'religion' or main party of the Right. They must do something soon & ignore any ditherers that suggest otherwise. Every day that they delay the problem confronting them gets worse. When you leader and party shenangighans start to be viewed as a farce, then the situation becomes very dire indeed. Collins may appeal to aged Muldoonists but she doesn't appeal to anyone else in modern NZ society - it's not the 80's. David Seymour - for all his personal quirks - is an effective politician who lands blows and gets things done. Collins is so scattershot that she lands as many blows on herself and her colleagues as she does on the government.

[Blue Skies]

Michael Woodhouse is 'mean & nasty'(?) Sticks and stones!?!

Agree that Goodfellow should go - and Collins must go. ACT now on 15% and steadily gaining on National. Politics is a bit like religion: when you have a small following you are labelled as a cult and derided, once you pass a certain threshold of numbers you get the respect of the masses and graduate to becoming a 'religion'. National have to be careful that ACT don't take over their mantle as the true 'religion' or main party of the Right. They must do something soon & ignore any ditherers that suggest otherwise. Every day that they delay the problem confronting them gets worse. When you leader and party shenangighans start to be viewed as a farce, then the situation becomes very dire indeed. Collins may appeal to aged Muldoonists but she doesn't appeal to anyone else in modern NZ society - it's not the 80's. David Seymour - for all his personal quirks - is an effective politician who lands blows and gets things done. Collins is so scattershot that she lands as many blows on herself and her colleagues as she does on the government.

Let me remind you Michael Woodhouse is the MP who proudly paraded a toilet seat with a picture of an opposition women MP printed onto the seat, the inference being.....
Any person who does that is very sick, very weird, def shouldn't be in parliament.

What sort of person makes such deliberate efforts to achieve total humiliation & destruction of another human being!
And when Claire Curran was obviously mentally at breaking point, Woodhouse & Lee relentlessly continued their vindictive campaign.
When Curran lost her job, her reputation & her mental health, Woodhouse & Lee were cheering, celebrating.
(Compare that to the way Muller was treated when at breaking point).
Why would you even want people like that around you or in your caucus.


Another rather stunning revelation in that latest poll was National had only 15% support in anyone under 40.

[BlackPeter]

Yep. Dump her.

Nice idea. Question is just - does have National any better option left? Judith worked hard to get rid of Nationals talent by surgically removing the complete liberal wing ...

While I am still a bit concerned about the gun-lovers ... I think that David Seymour would make a much better figure than Judith as opposition leader (and I say that without any reference to the physical shape of both politicians in question );

Not sure yet what I will see come next election as the smaller evil to vote for, but if Judith and Goodfellow's secret selection tribunals are still running National, than I am sure it won't be them.

[Panda-NZ-]

While I am still a bit concerned about the gun-lovers ... I think that David Seymour would make a much better figure than Judith as opposition leader (and I say that without any reference to the physical shape of both politicians in question );

Strange chap. only real world experience is working in a canadian lobby group known for climate change denial.

[BlackPeter]

Strange chap. only real world experience is working in a canadian lobby group known for climate change denial.

I wasn't saying he is a good alternative ... however - I think he would be a much better opposition leader than Judith ;

And yes, I neither like ACT's environmental policies nor do I like their stance on law and order. However - there are as well so many things I don't like about Green policies (though in different areas) or with Labours implementation abilities as well as with Labours (not so hidden anymore) racist agenda.

Duds wherever one looks ...

I meant it when I said I will try to pick the "smaller evil" ...

[Panda-NZ-]

The policy centre he worked once at was later trying to downplay the deaths of 6,000 indigeneous children.

Nice to know they attract only the best talent.
They hold anti-vaccine positions too

https://fcpp.org/2021/09/15/no-booster-shot-for-me/

[fungus pudding]

I wasn't saying he is a good alternative ... however - I think he would be a much better opposition leader than Judith ;

And yes, I neither like ACT's environmental policies nor do I like their stance on law and order. However - there are as well so many things I don't like about Green policies (though in different areas) or with Labours implementation abilities as well as with Labours (not so hidden anymore) racist agenda.

Duds wherever one looks ...

I meant it when I said I will try to pick the "smaller evil" ...

I think that's what most voters aim for. I use my vote in the most effective way I can to block the party I consider will do the most harm.

[Logen Ninefingers]

The policy centre he worked once at was later trying to downplay the deaths of 6,000 indigeneous children.

Nice to know they attract only the best talent.
They hold anti-vaccine positions too

https://fcpp.org/2021/09/15/no-booster-shot-for-me/

It's been a long time since Seymour worked for them and I don't think working for an organisation in the past makes you responsible for what they have been stating from 2018 onwards.

Ardren was the President of some filthy red organisation but you probably don't think we should continue to hold it against her.

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 officially split the worker's and youth movement into two sides. The representatives of the socialist and social-democratic current reconvened the International Socialist Youth Movement in 1921.

[fungus pudding]

The policy centre he worked once at was later trying to downplay the deaths of 6,000 indigeneous children.

Nice to know they attract only the best talent.
They hold anti-vaccine positions too

https://fcpp.org/2021/09/15/no-booster-shot-for-me/

Who are you on about now? Do you not know how to attribute your comments to another post?

[Panda-NZ-]

It's been a long time since Seymour worked for them and I don't think working for an organisation in the past makes you responsible for what they have been stating from 2018 onwards.

It's his only private sector job so is quite relevant.

Philosophy major too... like former leader jamie whyte... too stuck in the clouds.