If National wins ...

[fungus pudding]

Having worked in Statistics NZ at one stage, I can tell you there were enough bitter complaints about "Pakeha" for it to be dropped as a label in surveys :-)

yeah - they should stick with honkey.

[elZorro]

When I was growing up in the country, we had Maori families living nearby. We played together, sports, biking and generally hanging about. Every so often, one of the neighbours would yell out "Hey air hoor" or similar, and I'd take offence because of the way it sounded. It wasn't until years later that I realised that this was a polite greeting, "E hoa" , "my friend".


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Ehoa_mean_in_Maori

[elZorro]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10803579

Once again Gaynor's spot on.

Yes he is, great to see him still making a difference in the media. These are the commentators we need - those who have seen a lot of things go down, are careful observers, and are balanced in their approach. Author Michael King was another in this mould, so I appreciated your post jmsnz, and the alacrity of your posting..

[Major von Tempsky]

One thing that interests me about these left wing wishy washy would be historians that the poster above me calls careful.....they never comment about Maori Wars atrocities by the Maoris against settler women and children, shootings burnings and killings. I'm a settler descendant on several sides and yes there quite a number of these. But the record has been carefully expunged.....If some of the newspapers of the times survive no doubt they could be found there. But for Belich and King only Maori civilian casualties exist. Careful? Joke.

The media are quick to pin laughable labels on these bods like "NZ's best historian" there was Belich wasn't there, or some such Russian name who alleged that the British artillery barrage at Gate Pa was the heaviest the world has ever seen. This stood for a number of years without challenge by the NZ media who continued to call him NZ's best historian until a Brit war historian pointed out Gate Pa was a mere pin-prick compared to various WW1 barrages.

[elZorro]

One thing that interests me about these left wing wishy washy would be historians that the poster above me calls careful.....they never comment about Maori Wars atrocities by the Maoris against settler women and children, shootings burnings and killings. I'm a settler descendant on several sides and yes there quite a number of these. But the record has been carefully expunged.....If some of the newspapers of the times survive no doubt they could be found there. But for Belich and King only Maori civilian casualties exist. Careful? Joke.

The media are quick to pin laughable labels on these bods like "NZ's best historian" there was Belich wasn't there, or some such Russian name who alleged that the British artillery barrage at Gate Pa was the heaviest the world has ever seen. This stood for a number of years without challenge by the NZ media who continued to call him NZ's best historian until a Brit war historian pointed out Gate Pa was a mere pin-prick compared to various WW1 barrages.

I refer the above poster (MVT) to page 182 of the Penquin History of New Zealand.

Following discussion on the start of the many deaths that were to ensue from imported European illnesses (which nearly wiped out Maori altogether at one point), Michael King talks about an uprising in the South Island.

It was a fraudulent land deal which lay behind the first armed clash between Maori and Pakeha after the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, and the only one to ever take place in the South Island. The major player, again, was the New Zealand Company. Captain Authur Wakefield held a false deed to land in the Wairau Valley on the southern side of Cook Strait (he had bought it from the widow of a whaler who claimed in turn to have bought the land from from Te Rauparaha of Ngati Toa). When a group of Nelson settlers, including Wakefield, attempted to clear Maori off the land in June 1843, fighting broke out and 30 Europeans were killed, along with about half a dozen Maori. The dead included Authur Wakefield, who was executed by the Ngati Toa chief Te Rangihaeata in return for the death of his wife Te Rongo, who was also Te Rauparaha's daughter.

And that was just one page I quickly looked at. Nowhere does the author state his views on what happened, he just states the facts.

Now I'm really going out on a limb - here's what the lefty, wishy-washy Wikipedia says about Wakefield..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wakefield

[slimwin]

The link to pass to friends who may be interested in the mixed ownership offer but want some info/education on it. www.governmentsharesoffers.govt.nz

[elZorro]

The link to pass to friends who may be interested in the mixed ownership offer but want some info/education on it. www.governmentshareoffers.govt.nz

Thanks Slimwin, drop the 's' and the link works. Brian Gaynor's idea is more prescripted, which is fine.

[Major von Tempsky]

So, no details about the innocent women and children killed at Wairau....

And the only example given, none at all from the North Island of innocent women and children settlers killed?

Wikipedia is very mixed, what it says stands only survives until something more authoritative comes along and corrects it.

[elZorro]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6869...or-rental-lull

[fungus pudding]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6869...or-rental-lull

No doubt you see something wrong with that situation, given that you seem to think there's something wrong with everything that happens when the socialists are not in control. Obviously population shifts around and follows employment. The reason here is the previously high level of non-jobs.