If National wins ...

[Harvey Specter]

Statements like that do nothing to help your argument Belg. I can also state "Labour and Greens case for renewable sustainable energy did NOT, and still does not, stand up to rigorous scrutiny!

Why not? Funding is free by taxing those rich pricks more.

[Cuzzie]

But they have borrowed $50 billion since 2010. Something National supporters don,t mention.

westerly

Wow, lets have a look at the current accounts chart from 2010 for National again. http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/key_graphs/current_account/ Looks like they make that $50 billion work for the country. Have you got the figures for Labours spending so we can compare that to Nationals? That will be interesting.

[Cuzzie]

Why not? Funding is free by taxing those rich pricks more.

That's how the Left think alright. Take from the workers to finance those who don't.

[elZorro]

Wow, lets have a look at the current accounts chart from 2010 for National again. http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/key_graphs/current_account/ Looks like they make that $50 billion work for the country. Have you got the figures for Labours spending so we can compare that to Nationals? That will be interesting.

Cuzzie, if you are able to discern anything from that amalgam of data (the current account) then I'd be surprised. It means that everyone in NZ have been too afraid to invest over the last few years, compared with Labour's earlier terms. They have opted to pay back some of their loans instead. Labour was a net saver, and used the stronger economy to pay back old loans. National has capped the normal rise in govt spending. It's still about the level Labour had it in 2008. Of course there has been a population rise since. So some good projects will be on the backburner or will have been slashed.

I happened to watch parliament TV yesterday, saw a bill on building consents get through to the next stage, despite opposition from anyone who had any sense. It means builders can do their own paperwork on smaller projects, and no-one will inspect the site. No curb on companies being set up with one function, to build a house, sell it, and then go into liquidation. National is right behind this sort of policy, along with ACT and the Maori Party.

Regarding the 'rich pricks' line: sorry to disappoint, but Michael Cullen said "rich prick" under extreme duress, and it was directed only at John Key, who was up to his usual antics in parliament. The remark was not meant to be heard, but was captured on a microphone. This does not mean that Labour as a party would like to overtax all rich persons. In any case, there are entire sectors of our economy who are well off from a capital standpoint, and yet pay very little tax on average. This, according to National voters, is very fair and just.

Who increased the regressive GST tax to 15%? National. This conveniently plugged some of the tax shortfall without hurting those in the top income brackets. Proportionally, low income people pay a lot more GST as a portion of total income.

[Cuzzie]

But National increases investment and Labour only increases depression. To say Labour had more investment during those very dark days leading up to 2008 only show how very bad those investments were, if as you say that is true, other wise their accounts would not be so terribly blown out. Look at 04 to 08, Labour did what no other NZ Government had done before - Spent their way into the history book of bad accounts and debts, the very worst of the worst for NZ since day one. Now Labour fan boys are trying their best to to pass Labours bad onto National. Go check out the accounts before NZ's worst ever P.M Helen Clark took over.It might be worth voting for a Labour/Greenie Govt. next election just to watch the impending implosion.

[elZorro]

But National increases investment and Labour only increases depression. To say Labour had more investment during those very dark days leading up to 2008 only show how very bad those investments were, if as you say that is true, other wise their accounts would not be so terribly blown out. Look at 04 to 08, Labour did what no other NZ Government had done before - Spent their way into the history book of bad accounts and debts, the very worst of the worst for NZ since day one. Now Labour fan boys are trying their best to to pass Labours bad onto National. Go check out the accounts before NZ's worst ever P.M Helen Clark took over.It might be worth voting for a Labour/Greenie Govt. next election just to watch the impending implosion.

Cuzzie, I could be standing by the roadside waving Labour flags, and it would be no less garish than what you write here. Labour's accounts were not blown out. National's are, and they can't easily be fixed, because in an effort to reduce the size of the public sector, they clobbered a lot of the tax base. So we will all suffer, just so the already well off can keep their lower tax rates in the meantime.

Despite what we are saying, you confuse the books of the entire country with that of the government. Labour paid off debt while the rest of the country bought more property. They did try to warn us.

I'd be interested in what you disliked so much about Helen Clark's government. Was it the halting of smoking in public places, the funding of environmental firsts like Maungatautari, the repair of old mine sites, the budget surpluses, the repayment of old debt, the close to full employment (at one stage the best in the OECD), the burgeoning number of SMEs, etc. They should have increased the drinking age again, but nobody's perfect.

[westerly]

But National increases investment and Labour only increases depression. To say Labour had more investment during those very dark days leading up to 2008 only show how very bad those investments were, if as you say that is true, other wise their accounts would not be so terribly blown out. Look at 04 to 08, Labour did what no other NZ Government had done before - Spent their way into the history book of bad accounts and debts, the very worst of the worst for NZ since day one. Now Labour fan boys are trying their best to to pass Labours bad onto National. Go check out the accounts before NZ's worst ever P.M Helen Clark took over.It might be worth voting for a Labour/Greenie Govt. next election just to watch the impending implosion.

Getting a bit strident there Cuzzie. Some might say Muldoon was. National increase investment and Labour only increases depression? interesting that National hasn't changed those Labour introductions like student loans family support Etc we hear so much about Still being conservative they don't do much anyway. Except borrow money and decrease taxes except for gst. in 2011 Bill English said the deficit would be below $10m and be virtually eliminated by 2013/14 We will then start repaying debt. Since Key became pm debt has increased at 27m a day.

Westerly

[iceman]

Cunliffe is becoming a serious danger to NZ with his irresponsible headline grabbing antics that have no basis in fact. He is not someone qualified to be NZs PM with his blatant lies on a regular basis.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-secret-Labour

[Harvey Specter]

Cunliffe is becoming a serious danger to NZ with his irresponsible headline grabbing antics that have no basis in fact. He is not someone qualified to be NZs PM with his blatant lies on a regular basis.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-secret-Labour

But why does the MSM quote his lies when much further down, they state that the report is on the web and can be found by google.

[Cuzzie]

Cuzzie, I could be standing by the roadside waving Labour flags, and it would be no less garish than what you write here. Labour's accounts were not blown out. National's are, and they can't easily be fixed, because in an effort to reduce the size of the public sector, they clobbered a lot of the tax base. So we will all suffer, just so the already well off can keep their lower tax rates in the meantime.

Despite what we are saying, you confuse the books of the entire country with that of the government. Labour paid off debt while the rest of the country bought more property. They did try to warn us.

I'd be interested in what you disliked so much about Helen Clark's government. Was it the halting of smoking in public places, the funding of environmental firsts like Maungatautari, the repair of old mine sites, the budget surpluses, the repayment of old debt, the close to full employment (at one stage the best in the OECD), the burgeoning number of SMEs, etc. They should have increased the drinking age again, but nobody's perfect.

No confusion on my part the Current Account Balance is easy to read. If what you saying is true then why was 05 to 08 so bad? Look at the chart again http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/key_graphs/current_account/ Then look back at the National Govt. years and tell me why after three terms in power Labour was still paying off so little in comparison?

Oh yeah Helengrad gave us plenty all right.
In the nine years Labour was in government with Helen Clark, power prices went up 72 per cent, or an average of 8 per cent a year and the Government owned 100 per cent of the assets. Making moo-loo off every man and his dog rich or poor.
She legalized prostitution, girls under sixteen could now get an abortion without their parent’s consent, same sex female partners kids could call one of the moms - dad. That's just wrong on so many levels.
She has spent our money for her election bribery practice, has made it OK to be a P.M & be dishonest like the motorcade incident when she lied though her teeth after giving orders to speed over 140kph or the painting that Helen Clark signed and then had Steve Maharey destroy quicker than a Labour Govt. taxes the workers. While we are talking dishonest lets not forget the pledge card spending which Labour was warned about, they got cocky and did nothing about it, then she got busted for it.
I remember her saying on T.V one night, "people can't believe how pretty I am in real life", no Helen you got that wrong too.

It's not just Helen Clark's bad, do you want me to talk Annette King, David Benson Pope & Ruth Dyson, plenty to say there. How about the young redhead fellow that took off after buggering other young Labour boys , what was his name? How about Dr Cullen pushing ahead with public money investments into the equities market clearly at a time when P/E ratios were at the extreme danger levels. The bubble was obvious, and so the losses became staggering. The losses were staggering.
Clark and her cabinet were a total disaster for NZ.
Look elzorro, with all those facts and plenty more you really are advised to look forward to the next generation for Labour as it is a lot brighter at this stage than its horrific past. Cunliffe has only been caught lying so far, that's not too bad. You have just got to laugh.