If National wins ...

[artemis]

Back to the machine-gun posts Belg.? It may be therapeutic for you but it won't change the reality of a National led government after the next election.

It is looking increasingly likely it will be Nat led, but I still think it will be down to the wire esp if the Maori Party continues to fade. Not a done deal.

[craic]

If Labour wins we all emigrate.
Somewhere the government is perpetually business friendly and non socialist.
Austria, Switzerland, Singapore, Bahamas,....any other suggestions?

All that superannuation stuff is BS. If you are competent and saved and invested all your life you shouldn't need the State crutch.
I'd be quite happy to totally lose my 65+ super....

I did just as you say - I invested in New Zealand. Now I have no problem with taking my dividend but I do have a problem when I stand in the queue and see some of the wasters I worked with, waiting for an equal share to take to the pub or the tinnie house on their way to the Sally Annes for their weekly box of food.

[craic]

Wow! that's eight out of the fourteen possts on this page to you belg. Are you collecting Fly Buys or something.

[Harvey Specter]

People who were there find it laughable how misquoted Cunliffe was by our wonderful media. The fact that even now, after most people have been corrected, some still misquote him is very sad. HS, suggest you also find out exactly what he said.

As indicated, it works fine in Sweden with very few frivolous cases.

I heard the sound bite, and since that is all the media plays, Cunliffe loses. A man who has done nothing wrong, and if fact says he wants to help, yet he is apologising? #Fail.

And most of Europe doesn't have an issue withbing drinking like NZ does. Doesn't make it right but just shows you just cant copies others laws to a different society.

[Cuzzie]

To all/any posters of any political persuasion:

Re ... Debt racked up National's 2 terms.

Could others enter this dispute please?

It is becoming very, very tiresome to have ElZ present government provided facts and for Cuzzie to simply come back with what he believes are facts littered with the constant accusations.

Thanks.

belg, you are up the boohai shooting balloons from one foot away and missing. You are one complicated character belg that is for sure. First you threaten to leave S.T if the Mod removed your post which he promptly did - you stayed - now you want me to stop posting and you promptly spam the board with noisince. If I didn't know you were over fifty I would think you would be an anklebiter the way you carry on. Hey, but don't stop, I feel you are doing all the work for me. Keep talking.

Oh yeah, Team Key all the way. I'm waving with you. Thanks for the gift. I've got one for you too belg ...

Team Cunliffe - Cradle to the grave in less than one year.

[Cuzzie]

Cuzzie, you meant to say "you're". FP must have missed this one. And you're still wrong. You quoted some facts and then extrapolated wildly into pub talk.

Labour Good, National Bad.

I guess it sunk in EZ, nothing but being the spelling police for you. How the hell did you think you could get away with hiding 10 billion dollars of Labour debt is totally beyond me. You keep trying though, it showcases you beautifully. The facts are backed up & you know it. This is exactly where Labour breaks down. They pass all blame onto National and all positive advancements made by the Government are knocked down by propaganda B.S. So in the theme of belgs funnies, or should I say attempted funny, I have a slogan for you too EZ.


Labour - Controlling your future with pleasure.

[slimwin]

Whats years were you in Sweden Belg?

[elZorro]

I guess it sunk in EZ, nothing but being the spelling police for you. How the hell did you think you could get away with hiding 10 billion dollars of Labour debt is totally beyond me. You keep trying though, it showcases you beautifully. The facts are backed up & you know it. This is exactly where Labour breaks down. They pass all blame onto National and all positive advancements made by the Government are knocked down by propaganda B.S.

Cuzzie, I hope you're not trying to run a business, because maths/accounting is not your strong suit. Or, you are pretending it's not. Let's put it another way.

Labour came into office in 1999 and inherited a net core Crown debt of say $25bill. By the end of nine years in office, they had repaid $15billion of that debt, leaving National to pick up the tab for the last 2/5th of the net Crown debt from 1999 ($10bill). They had been net re-payers of that historic debt, and had not added anything to it. TRUE or FALSE Cuzzie? Let's get that one done, for once. A one word answer please, if you can.

National had a look at that record, spotted that with the GFC and later the ChCh earthquakes, they had the perfect excuse to rebuild the crown debt to about 35% of GDP, back where they had it when they left office in 1999. They knew this would give them a really easy ride, and they could reduce taxes for the higher income brackets. They did this, but it meant they had to borrow another $60 billion and rising, as Labour had in the meantime built up NZ's GDP figures. National's policy settings actually reduced GDP per person, which made it easier for them.

This one is a bit more of an argument, but you'll see they have brought both the unemployment levels and the crown debt levels back to the same proportions as they had in 1999. I think this is some sort of a secret coded level that the National Govt will never admit to, but it's part of the neoliberal plan for us all.

I met David Cunliffe tonight, listened to his speech and had a short chat with him afterwards. He is a great speaker, he speaks from the heart, he's really motivating some people around him. Another straight-up person I spoke to, who has a lot of kudos for community work, and has been in the Labour Party for many years, is very happy with him as leader.

I just found these graphs on WIKI, compiled by Treasury/Reserve Bank officials. That should make it clearer too. Note that here, the Crown Debt is not the same as net core Crown debt. It should trend in the same way.

[blackcap]

And the odds keep changing in Nationals favour. You can now get 7's on Labour over the ditch at Centrebet. On Betfair you can get 10's on Labour. Almost a done deal.

[iceman]

I met David Cunliffe tonight, listened to his speech and had a short chat with him afterwards. He is a great speaker, he speaks from the heart, he's really motivating some people around him. Another straight-up person I spoke to, who has a lot of kudos for community work, and has been in the Labour Party for many years, is very happy with him as leader.

EZ this is the exact problem David Cunliffe and Labour has. They have moved so far away from mainstream NZ that only yourself, belg and people like the person you describe above, are the ones who like DC and will vote for him. But you are all staunch Labour voters and not the voters DC has to get onboard if he wants to form a Government.
Most of NZ completely disagrees with Labour as shown by one opinion poll after another but you continue banging your head against the wall with all this negative stuff. It won't get you anywhere.

p.s. during your conversation with DC, did he mention anything about his RUMOURED intention of heading off to a Marae before the election to apologise for being European ? Just curious if its true