If National wins ...

[Banksie]

Which side of the political spectrum did you vote for when you were in your home country banksie? If you don't mind me asking.

First time I voted under apartheid would have been for National Party (the architects of apartheid) basically because there was no choice. (Although my local MP was FW Botha, the prime minster who dismantled apartheid).

Once the ANC were unbanned I voted for them, but economics played less of a role, it was more about human rights. (The ANC Freedom Charter is an amazing document http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=72).

If I was in South Africa now, probably the DA - to strength the opposition - as, in my opinion, the ANC is not governing true to the Charter.

BTW: I really do identify NZ as my home country now, I was born in England, spent 30 years in SA, but now am well and truly trying to be a kiwi, hence my interest in the politics.

This is my second election here, last time I voted National party vote (cos they had better advertising I think, I was pretty uninformed) and Labour for my local MP (cos I had met her and she seemed a good sort).

[Banksie]

Based on what data would you say this?

Here you go BP, government spending 1999 to 2014.

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(link to handy stat site http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-...nment-spending)

Edit: what you could probably argue is that National have broken the upward trend.

[Cuzzie]

Awesome! Keep at it Banksie. Keep digging down.

You are, like a few others on ST, renewing my faith in Kiwis! Much love to you and yours. {belgie has a tear in his eye}

I'll never say any govt is perfect, just that some are a bit better than others. And mostly it is just a "bit". But Key's National? ....

Hmmm. I was interested to read in the Herald today about the police criminal profiler who built a psychological model of the murderer who killed the Crewes. Interesting stuff. I have done something similar back in the day & still use those principles today to suss out people. Point in action, I recently looked at a silver Audi car I was interested in buying and meet the guy at a locale school to check it out. I liked the car but something was not quite right with the guy. With my old contacts, I passed on the number plate and a good description on the seller & was shocked to find out those details. Needless to say I was spot on. Call it common sense, call it intuition or just put it down to ones training - I don't really care. I was spot on.

Moving forward, I think what we have going on here with our dear Banksie friend is a wee bit of Good Cop - Bad Cop at the very least. In fact I don't think, I know & if I was a betting man, which I'm not, but if I was, I'd put a lazy $100 on the fact. A Mod might even be able to link two I.P addresses to one of our lovely Labour bloggers. A plant, a stooge a duplication of ones membership on a different I.P even maybe. Banksie does have the same writing style as [empty] and uses the same words. Just saying.

Banksie has gone from - new to NZ & not knowing anything politically, to asking many questions, then changing the answers given to him to help support his agenda and then now he's saying what belg, EZ, belg and Co would say and they congratulate him on his posts. Here is the thing, he (Banksie) says what EZ, belg and Co would say in a very short period of time. It would seem our Labour bloggers are up to their little games. What else would you expect from them. They are the opposite to straight shooting & that would be bent shooting. Again, just saying & there is no way of getting it 100% correct all the time, however there are strong tell, tell signs in this case.

[Cuzzie]

First time I voted under apartheid would have been for National Party (the architects of apartheid) basically because there was no choice. (Although my local MP was FW Botha, the prime minster who dismantled apartheid).

Once the ANC were unbanned I voted for them, but economics played less of a role, it was more about human rights. (The ANC Freedom Charter is an amazing document http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=72).

If I was in South Africa now, probably the DA - to strength the opposition - as, in my opinion, the ANC is not governing true to the Charter.

BTW: I really do identify NZ as my home country now, I was born in England, spent 30 years in SA, but now am well and truly trying to be a kiwi, hence my interest in the politics.

This is my second election here, last time I voted National party vote (cos they had better advertising I think, I was pretty uninformed) and Labour for my local MP (cos I had met her and she seemed a good sort).

Here we go, voted National last time but will be voting Labour this time around. Similar to a cool story EZ told as recently. Hi Banksie. Give us more of that National hate, I love that sh!te.

[BlackPeter]

Have we not just shifted people from the public sector to the unemployment sector?

Sorry but I don't understand your reference to greed tax, and are you saying it is a good or a bad thing that Clark was the minister of arts?

I always find it amazing that some people blame the fallout of the GFC to National. I am not saying, that Labour created the GFC, but it happened during their watch - blaming the fall out of it (higher unemployment and government debt) to the people who had to sort out the mess is poor hypocrisy. Banksie, not sure, whether this is in your case caused by inexperience, lack of historical knowledge or something more sinister - but I expected better from you. Just compare New Zealand's unemployment rates with other OECD countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mployment_rate

I am not even a National supporter, but I must say they did very well compared to others.

Greed tax: introduced by the 5th Labour government during the first couple of weeks of their reign. All rich bastards with an income of more than 60k annually had to pay 39% tax. Was at that stage quite tough for us, given that my 60 (and a wee bit) k (as sole earner) had to feed a family of 5, but Labour didn't care - they just taxed.

And no - my statement on HC's role as minister of the arts was not a reflection on her performance in this particular activity. Just playing with the word clown earlier in the sentence.

Hope this clears it up.

[Cuzzie]

Silence - No surprises there. I hate to rush one of you but the less time you take to make that reply, the more factual it will be. Maybe that might hurry you up, then again maybe not. belg? You are on-line.

[Cuzzie]

Thank You, now in your own words please explain how the hell can you answer for all the other Labour Bloggers on Sharetrader and Bankie so quickly without any communication between you all. You would not know that answer and could not possibly say, " Sorry to say, Cuz, you're wrong again." without that knowledge. You can't say wrong without input from more than just you.

Thank You very much belg & welcome to my world. Good Cop Bad Cop confirmed by belg. Cheers mate. BYW, I profiled you last year just for my own record. I've got your cards buddy.

What drives me. I hate deception.

Socialist ignore the side of man that is the spirit. They can provide you shelter, fill your belly with bacon & beans, treat you when you're ill, all the things guarantee to be a prisoner of life. They don't understand that we also dream. Ronald Reagan.

[Banksie]

Here we go, voted National last time but will be voting Labour this time around. Similar to a cool story EZ told as recently. Hi Banksie. Give us more of that National hate, I love that sh!te.

So you are talking to me again, sweet.

Please point me to the post where I have given "National hate"? I don't think I have.

Also, point me to the post where I said I will be voting Labour this time, I don't think I have - (but I did vote for Ruth Dyson with my electoral vote last time).

This time, well I am leaning towards a Green party vote (my home suburb is a strong green area) and either Ruth or Nuk for my electoral vote. Nuk - you may scream, but he is a Nat - but yes he is also a good guy with the interests of the community at heart. (In an ideal world I would like my cake and eat it and see both him and Ruth in parliament, such is the beauty of MMP).

So cuzzie, all seems above board to me, no conspiracies or hidden agendas...and I am not afraid to say who I votes for, why I voted for them, and also that my mind may have changed over time.

Like it or hate it - there isn't much difference (policy-wise) between Labour and National, cos they both have to keep middle-NZ happy.

[Banksie]

I always find it amazing that some people blame the fallout of the GFC to National. I am not saying, that Labour created the GFC, but it happened during their watch - blaming the fall out of it (higher unemployment and government debt) to the people who had to sort out the mess is poor hypocrisy. Banksie, not sure, whether this is in your case caused by inexperience, lack of historical knowledge or something more sinister - but I expected better from you. Just compare New Zealand's unemployment rates with other OECD countries:

Fair enough - here is a comparison of NZ vs Aus unemployment and yup, looks like we are trending in the right way in NZ as opposed to Aus who are trending the wrong way.

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Can I suggest that you don't jump to too many conclusions regarding my motivation, seeing as we are debating online, with out the benefit of body language or facial expression...but I will give you this, I am bored at work and do enjoy a good political debate that does not degenerate into mud-slinging and name calling (I save that for later when I do it at the pub with a jug of Monteiths (does drinking monteiths make be a commie b@$tard or a greenie pinko I wonder ).

Greed tax: introduced by the 5th Labour government during the first couple of weeks of their reign. All rich bastards with an income of more than 60k annually had to pay 39% tax. Was at that stage quite tough for us, given that my 60 (and a wee bit) k (as sole earner) had to feed a family of 5, but Labour didn't care - they just taxed.

Yup - I can see how that would bite, seems like the top tax bracket was probably pushed up too quickly, and at too lower level. This time Labour are proposing 36% for $150K and over. Would that still hurt? I ain't in that tax bracket so it won't affect me.

[Cuzzie]

Just too funny, Cuz.

Did you do what I suggested and ask STMOD? When you have, I expect an apology.

Not all of us go running to the STMOD belg? I have no intention of doing so. You expect an apology. Yep you are indeed a Labour supporter. Funny how Banksie popped up.