CNU - Chorus

[Joshuatree]

Any tech boffins out there care to comment on this below re whether Sparks 5 G is a threat to Chorus's fibre. Thanks in advance

"One concern remains mobile broadband. Spark Telecom, NZ’s equivalent of Telstra, is building a 5G network and many suggest that 5G will take market share from the UFB, potentially decimating returns for Chorus. We think that unlikely .Data travels far more efficiently, and cheaply, along fibre than on radio waves and fibre will always be cheaper and capable of carrying more data. The UFB is a globally competitive fibre network; 5G won’t worry Chorus."

https://cdn-blob.investsmart.com.au/...020%5B1%5D.pdf

[Joshuatree]

Found this but this technophobe cant verify whether its up to date and accurate

"The spectrum characteristics of 5G mean it will need receivers in the home to be effective in delivering large data volumes. Someone would have to come to residences one by one, install external antennas, run internal wiring and complete the setup manually. Early adopters in the US have suggested that it costs about US$4,000 per connection to set up a wireless broadband service that way. For all its flaws, the NBN remains the best option for home broadband."


An investor’s guide to 5G).

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My feeling is for certain demographics, yes it may take away some customers or stop new sign ups. The main benefit will be not needing to use home wifi for streaming video. However, it will all come down to data caps and pricing, typically for $80-100 you get unlimited fiber, unlimited 4g is upwards of that. Vodafone are building a 5g network too so there will be some competition. If 5g unlimited plans are priced below current UFB plans I would see it as a risk.

IMO only - I don't work in telecoms, but do work in technology

[dobby41]

Any tech boffins out there care to comment on this below re whether Sparks 5 G is a threat to Chorus's fibre. Thanks in advance

"One concern remains mobile broadband. Spark Telecom, NZ’s equivalent of Telstra, is building a 5G network and many suggest that 5G will take market share from the UFB, potentially decimating returns for Chorus. We think that unlikely .Data travels far more efficiently, and cheaply, along fibre than on radio waves and fibre will always be cheaper and capable of carrying more data. The UFB is a globally competitive fibre network; 5G won’t worry Chorus."

https://cdn-blob.investsmart.com.au/...020%5B1%5D.pdf

Mobile broadband is already a threat to fibre so anything that gives them more capacity isn't good for Chorus.

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even 4g has been attacking Chorus revenue. so yeh 5g even more so Ive been saying this for ages. Price went up tho!
true that there will probably always be benefits to fixed wires to some degree even if its only stability.

[Marilyn Munroe]

Any tech boffins out there care to comment on this below re whether Sparks 5 G is a threat to Chorus's fibre. Thanks in advance

See my post #2563 (28/05/2019) on this thread.

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Marilyn

[850man]

Any tech boffins out there care to comment on this below re whether Sparks 5 G is a threat to Chorus's fibre. Thanks in advance

"One concern remains mobile broadband. Spark Telecom, NZ’s equivalent of Telstra, is building a 5G network and many suggest that 5G will take market share from the UFB, potentially decimating returns for Chorus. We think that unlikely .Data travels far more efficiently, and cheaply, along fibre than on radio waves and fibre will always be cheaper and capable of carrying more data. The UFB is a globally competitive fibre network; 5G won’t worry Chorus."

https://cdn-blob.investsmart.com.au/...020%5B1%5D.pdf

Wireless data (4G and 5G) is a shared data path meaning that everyone attached to the cell site share it's data throughput capacity. Even though that might be 10Gb that may be shared by numerous parties. Fibre is unshared and uncontended so if you have a 1Gb or soon greater plan then you get all of that all the time. Where this difference is most noticeable is with streaming - watching movies, sports where you will likely get buffering or be downshifted to a lower resolution image. Thats fine if you're watching on a cellphone but streaming 4K content to a big screen is unlikely to work well over 5G especially if you're in an urban location with a hundred others trying to do the same on the single cell site you're all connected to.

[676767]

Wireless data (4G and 5G) is a shared data path meaning that everyone attached to the cell site share it's data throughput capacity. Even though that might be 10Gb that may be shared by numerous parties. Fibre is unshared and uncontended so if you have a 1Gb or soon greater plan then you get all of that all the time. Where this difference is most noticeable is with streaming - watching movies, sports where you will likely get buffering or be downshifted to a lower resolution image. Thats fine if you're watching on a cellphone but streaming 4K content to a big screen is unlikely to work well over 5G especially if you're in an urban location with a hundred others trying to do the same on the single cell site you're all connected to.

Unfortunately not, NZ's Fibre infrastructure is GPON based meaning it is shared infrastructure. Its less affected by contention, but its not safe from it.
Around 24 houses can be added to a single splitter to share a single fiber back to the OLT, although the number of connections is usually lower.
Per OLT port (note, not the new 10G capable ones) there is around 2.4Gbps download and 1.2 Gbps upload total to be shared.

Luckily no one is usually using that much data all the time, and Chorus are usually pretty good at finding and re balancing splitters should they get overutilized.

[Timesurfer]

Once Elon’s satellite trains have fully polluted the sky I am guessing the wireless network will experience less of a throttling effect.

[dobby41]

Wireless data (4G and 5G) is a shared data path meaning that everyone attached to the cell site share it's data throughput capacity. Even though that might be 10Gb that may be shared by numerous parties. Fibre is unshared and uncontended so if you have a 1Gb or soon greater plan then you get all of that all the time. Where this difference is most noticeable is with streaming - watching movies, sports where you will likely get buffering or be downshifted to a lower resolution image. Thats fine if you're watching on a cellphone but streaming 4K content to a big screen is unlikely to work well over 5G especially if you're in an urban location with a hundred others trying to do the same on the single cell site you're all connected to.

Backhaul capacity is relatively easy to augment, radio capacity isn't.
This is where 5G provides the avantage over 4G.
There are many, many people who don't want or need 1G connections (or even 10G coming up) and will happily pay less for less via radio.