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10-08-2018, 03:23 PM
#621
Systemically Flawed and Conflicted Business Model !
http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/f...structure.html
Why anyone would bother to be a shareholder is beyond my comprehension. Good luck to holders, you'll need it !!
Last edited by Beagle; 10-08-2018 at 03:24 PM.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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10-08-2018, 03:26 PM
#622
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
I do understand why the Fonterra Shareholder Fund is good for farmers. They can eat their cake and keep it too.
However I do not understand why anybody would have wanted to buy shares of this fund - hey, and there are still people queuing up to buy them, though at a somewhat discounted price.
Holding these shares is a clear lose-lose situation. And even if we look at historic payouts (I think 30 cents per share and year) ... why pay $6 for a share providing a (not guaranteed) 30 cents dividend? this used to be just 5% (in good times); Obviously - this year is worse ... only 10 cents payout, but who knows - it might be still better than the next ;
Foreign fund managers loved FSF when it was launched and bought heaps of them - NZ's biggest company, exposure to the dairy industry and a great dividend for them when interest rates were so low for them. Solid company / good earner attractive to those managers
Suppose a lot of that logic still applies but possibly not as attractive as it was
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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10-08-2018, 03:57 PM
#623
Originally Posted by winner69
Foreign fund managers loved FSF when it was launched and bought heaps of them - NZ's biggest company, exposure to the dairy industry and a great dividend for them when interest rates were so low for them. Solid company / good earner attractive to those managers
Suppose a lot of that logic still applies but possibly not as attractive as it was
They must be ropeable about the current situation then.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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10-08-2018, 04:47 PM
#624
Originally Posted by winner69
Foreign fund managers loved FSF when it was launched and bought heaps of them - NZ's biggest company, exposure to the dairy industry and a great dividend for them when interest rates were so low for them. Solid company / good earner attractive to those managers
Suppose a lot of that logic still applies but possibly not as attractive as it was
Good points ... but I guess this narrative only holds for foreign funds as long as the Kiwi dollar is rising. The current (and expected further) drop is unlikely to keep their clients happy ... and the heavily curtailed dividend won't help either.
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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11-08-2018, 01:29 PM
#625
Member
Originally Posted by Nasi Goreng
Only Fonterra could lose $200M on an investment of $405M selling infant formula to China and then say they are the envy of the dairy world.
God this is a great comment. Imagine if they had put that 200m into a2milk at the time instead
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11-08-2018, 04:40 PM
#626
Originally Posted by Chanchay
God this is a great comment. Imagine if they had put that 200m into a2milk at the time instead
Imagine if the dairy farmers would have allowed that!
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13-09-2018, 08:54 AM
#627
must be something in the milk eh lol
what a shocker , more write downs coming , cost cutting etc looks like a sh.. yr next as well bit like fletchers lol must be something wrong with some of nz big corporates you get some good ones and some shockers .... board composition?
one step ahead of the herd
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13-09-2018, 08:57 AM
#628
Theres no two ways about it, these results dont meet the standards we need to live up to. In FY18, we did not meet the promises we made to farmers and unitholders, says Mr Hurrell.
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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13-09-2018, 09:10 AM
#629
Originally Posted by bull....
must be something in the milk eh lol
what a shocker , more write downs coming , cost cutting etc looks like a sh.. yr next as well bit like fletchers lol must be something wrong with some of nz big corporates you get some good ones and some shockers .... board composition?
Originally Posted by winner69
“There’s no two ways about it, these results don’t meet the standards we need to live up to. In FY18, we did not meet the promises we made to farmers and unitholders,” says Mr Hurrell.
No surprises here.
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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13-09-2018, 11:13 AM
#630
Originally Posted by bull....
must be something in the milk eh lol
what a shocker , more write downs coming , cost cutting etc looks like a sh.. yr next as well bit like fletchers lol must be something wrong with some of nz big corporates you get some good ones and some shockers .... board composition?
& CEO?This time it will be different!Yeh right !
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