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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    Hi Percy, thanks..will see whats happened.
    I should have pointed out that HNZ also have a dividend reinvestment plan.
    A concern.Postie Plus is one of the highest dividend yields,yet it remains to be seen whether the company can survive.Therefore, their ability to pay dividends in future is very much in doubt.May be a little warning bell !! [or a dirty great big one] !!!!!

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    to put it politely Percy.. FFS shut up .. Our secret..

    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    I should have pointed out that HNZ also have a dividend reinvestment plan.
    A concern.Postie Plus is one of the highest dividend yields,yet it remains to be seen whether the company can survive.Therefore, their ability to pay dividends in future is very much in doubt.May be a little warning bell !! [or a dirty great big one] !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by janner View Post
    to put it politely Percy.. FFS shut up .. Our secret..
    Yeah Right.!!!
    Sorry Janner.
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    Percy, have corrected the DIV reinvestment and added the dividend for HNZ for Y/e 12 of .015cents. I dont change dividends until there is a complete year to plug in so when the final comes out this will be updated along with the March interim of 0.02 cents. I might point out that the HNZ website is pretty useless as regards shareholder /investor information. I couldnt find anything on their website about div re plan and nothing about the special div of 0.015cent div in dec.
    Re the "reliability" of future div eg Postie + this is impossible to deal with.....APN is another glaring example. This is why we say you have to look at the entire picture and not just take the Div yield as set in stone.
    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    I should have pointed out that HNZ also have a dividend reinvestment plan.
    A concern.Postie Plus is one of the highest dividend yields,yet it remains to be seen whether the company can survive.Therefore, their ability to pay dividends in future is very much in doubt.May be a little warning bell !! [or a dirty great big one] !!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    Percy, have corrected the DIV reinvestment and added the dividend for HNZ for Y/e 12 of .015cents. I dont change dividends until there is a complete year to plug in so when the final comes out this will be updated along with the March interim of 0.02 cents. I might point out that the HNZ website is pretty useless as regards shareholder /investor information. I couldnt find anything on their website about div re plan and nothing about the special div of 0.015cent div in dec.
    Re the "reliability" of future div eg Postie + this is impossible to deal with.....APN is another glaring example. This is why we say you have to look at the entire picture and not just take the Div yield as set in stone.
    Good work.
    Suggest you buy a few HNZ shares,then you will enjoy,good dividends,an upward share price and up to date information.lol.
    Next year ending 30/6/2014 they are expected to pay 6cents fully imputed per share dividend.On today's SP of 83cents that is 7.23% nett.SP should double in the next 3 to 5 years.
    I get your point about the reliability of future dividends.It does concern me that people may not look at the entire picture.

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    Birmanboy - Thanks, what a great site. I'm a recent arrival in NZ and a fairly experienced dividend investor overseas but was finding the lack easily accessible information here, such as you supply, a problem. For someone like myself who's trying to build an NZ income producing portfolio your site will be invaluable. Thanks.

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    Sure thing...its a work in progress so keep an eye on it..goal is to eventually have it cover different countries and also have a "passworded" section with added tools. NZ has some high div producers which is a big benefit for conservative investors such as ourselves and also growing pool of retired individuals.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCross View Post
    Birmanboy - Thanks, what a great site. I'm a recent arrival in NZ and a fairly experienced dividend investor overseas but was finding the lack easily accessible information here, such as you supply, a problem. For someone like myself who's trying to build an NZ income producing portfolio your site will be invaluable. Thanks.
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    Have had several comments about effects of imputation credits so I will work on adding a column to show these and then include this in the gross div yield which at the moment does not include imp. credits. Thanks to all who have given some feedback...eventually will improve it for all and make for a better experience.
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    Ok so the road to web nirvana does not travel in a straight line..... the problem with including imputation credits in the dividend yield % is that imputation credits (IC) are not received by non-NZ residents so the div yield as shown on website would be different from their actual yield. They may receive supplementary dividends of course. I have decided its better to keep using the declared dividend as the base for the yield % but to point out that both the IC and Supp Div information should be avail on "details" link page. The problem is of course that the more flexibility and fine tuning available has the unfortunate result of needing more complex programming and time thrown at it. Now theres a dilemma for you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    the problem with including imputation credits in the dividend yield % is that imputation credits (IC) are not received by non-NZ residents so the div yield as shown on website would be different from their actual yield.
    Who is your target market? Because currently the comparisons are not accurate for residents as a fully imputed Div is worth 39% more than one without.
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    Target market is anyone looking at dividend yields so could be from anywhere...difficulty lies in identifying where potential investor is from and then providing appropriate information. Overstating the dividend yield is equally as bad as understating so we are working on options but are limited by time available and recognising it is a DIY project. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post
    Who is your target market? Because currently the comparisons are not accurate for residents as a fully imputed Div is worth 39% more than one without.
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    Logical solution is to create separate sites for resident and non-resident. Just my opinion. Good luck with venture-might have a tiger by the tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    Target market is anyone looking at dividend yields so could be from anywhere...difficulty lies in identifying where potential investor is from and then providing appropriate information. Overstating the dividend yield is equally as bad as understating so we are working on options but are limited by time available and recognising it is a DIY project. Thanks.
    Hi Birmanboy.. I would like to wager that most NZ stocks are purchased by NZ'ers or NZ interests. Ie there is not that much interest in the NZ market from offshore and thus I would suggest that Imputations are very important to the majority of people visiting the site. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Hi Birmanboy.. I would like to wager that most NZ stocks are purchased by NZ'ers or NZ interests. Ie there is not that much interest in the NZ market from offshore and thus I would suggest that Imputations are very important to the majority of people visiting the site. Hope this helps.
    I would agree. There would be very little M&D investors (your target market) from outside NZ, except the odd expat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post
    I would agree. There would be very little M&D investors (your target market) from outside NZ, except the odd expat.
    Well there are a few overseas based kiwi's on this forum.
    Perhaps you could keep everybody happy separate Net, Gross Non-Resident and Gross Resident percentage yields.
    Or give the dividend, supplementary and imputation amounts in the details.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    Well there are a few overseas based kiwi's on this forum.
    I wasn't counting Tiger's!
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    We have a dot com and a dot net domain so yes....theoretically could leave the .co.nz for NZ residents and keep separate but the problem with that is overseas browsers could find themselves on .co.nz site depending on search engine etc. and there is no way of controlling access (as far as I know)? so looks like ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL is the only way to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitrev View Post
    Logical solution is to create separate sites for resident and non-resident. Just my opinion. Good luck with venture-might have a tiger by the tail.
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    ...To both blackcap and CJ....
    Yes I agree but the primary goal of this site is to help drive some overseas interest towards the NZX....I believe one of the unexploited benefits of the NZX is a much higher dividend return rate than most other exchanges internationally. If those dividend benefits were more visible/accessable/searchable then could help. This is a niche segment of the investment world. Would a US investor try to invest for dividends on the Ukraine or Zambian stock exchange.....unlikely. New Zealand has an international reputation for fairness, lack of corruption etc. its just a question of targeting the market.....which I see as huge. Imputation credits are important only to locals. Trick is to try and have our cake and eat it too. Thanks blackcap....appreciate your interest.
    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Hi Birmanboy.. I would like to wager that most NZ stocks are purchased by NZ'ers or NZ interests. Ie there is not that much interest in the NZ market from offshore and thus I would suggest that Imputations are very important to the majority of people visiting the site. Hope this helps.
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    HA...confucious say man who try and keep everbody happy is chastised by wife and punished by his mother.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    Well there are a few overseas based kiwi's on this forum.
    Perhaps you could keep everybody happy separate Net, Gross Non-Resident and Gross Resident percentage yields.
    Or give the dividend, supplementary and imputation amounts in the details.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BIRMANBOY View Post
    Yes I agree but the primary goal of this site is to help drive some overseas interest towards the NZX.
    That answers my 'target market' question. Net is is then.
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