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    Quote Originally Posted by Banksie View Post
    The few bits I have read so far:

    New shares to be issued to repay shareholder loans of $400m
    IFT/Superfund will sell down 50 or 60%. Will retain ownership through joint holding company so they will retain equal ownership (ie. one is not selling more than the other)
    8.1%+ Gross yeild.

    The yeild is a lot more than I was expecting so I might have to have a look under the covers a bit more.
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    Flat revenue, very slim margins and run by lawyers and accountants. Dont expect this to grow like Ryman.

    I didnt find out what the yield is but there is a reason why Shell sold out-the return on capital is a fraction of oil exploration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schrodinger View Post
    Flat revenue, very slim margins and run by lawyers and accountants. Dont expect this to grow like Ryman.
    That is my concern. Definately not a growth stock but may qualify as a good yeild stock??

    Both articles are same from what I can tell:
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/z-energ...ment-bd-143324
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10903095
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schrodinger View Post
    Flat revenue, very slim margins and run by lawyers and accountants. Dont expect this to grow like Ryman.
    Having said that, they have turned a $700m investment into an estimated $1.5B so will effectively hold their 40-50% at zero cost.
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    Assuming their valuation of the business is correct. How was the original business valued?

    If you are looking for a yield stock then you will have to be confident they can hold their margins to maintain the payments. Might be tough with declining fuel volumes, although they expect it to rise 5% this year. I would be looking at the longer term trends however.

    Interesting that fuel makes up 95% of revenues so this is what I would be focusing on. If they can grow their other categories outside of fuel this could be attractive. I am not sure they can with the team they have in place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schrodinger View Post
    If you are looking for a yield stock then you will have to be confident they can hold their margins to maintain the payments. Might be tough with declining fuel volumes, although they expect it to rise 5% this year. I would be looking at the longer term trends however.
    As I said, havne't looked under the covers yet but agree, the dividend yeild is only attractive if sustainable.

    Did Shell really sell that cheap as I dont see the changes that have been made justify a doubling in value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post
    Having said that, they have turned a $700m investment into an estimated $1.5B so will effectively hold their 40-50% at zero cost.
    Tripled their money, not doubled:
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    Hmmm was that the reason for the recent run up in NZR....?

    A little on-market buying to fluff up a more attractive transfer price of the holding across to Z Energy Ltd (as per today's NZR SSH notices)

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    Shoeshine in NBR had an interesting piece a week or so headed [B] Z Energy vamps its numbers but do they add up?[\b]

    Think he was saying the accounting was all too confusing ....and was interested if z could increase the number of coffees from 30000 a week to the 170000 a week that bp sell

    The CEO did tell him that share is back to where it was when they took over from shell
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Shoeshine in NBR had an interesting piece a week or so headed [B] Z Energy vamps its numbers but do they add up?[\b]

    Think he was saying the accounting was all too confusing ....and was interested if z could increase the number of coffees from 30000 a week to the 170000 a week that bp sell

    The CEO did tell him that share is back to where it was when they took over from shell
    they would need to do coffees etc like bp to get anywhere near that
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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    they would need to do coffees etc like bp to get anywhere near that
    You saying z coffee crap ....or being nice not so good

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    Confusion reigns ...

    CJ. " Having said that, they have turned a $700m investment into an estimated $1.5B so will effectively hold their 40-50% at zero cost. "

    CJ " Did Shell really sell that cheap as I dont see the changes that have been made justify a doubling in value. "

    percy " You may have hit a "bullseye" with that comment "

    peat " they have completely rebranded. and increased market share. They've definitely added value. "

    winner69 " The CEO did tell him that share is back to where it was when they took over from shell ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by janner View Post
    winner69 " The CEO did tell him that share is back to where it was when they took over from shell ".
    yes this is correct they have slipped back from 32.5 in FY 11 and 12 to 30.4 in FY13
    as per page 118
    For clarity, nothing I say is advice....

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