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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    This is share trader. co. nz where people get information that helps making investment decisions. And so far, Apple for me at this stage is not a good investment because all of the above. Of course what mobile suits one best is a very personal experience.

    kind regards
    Part of your investing decisions involves "brainwashed fan boys and girls". I have already asked you to expand on this as I'm quite concerned re the brainwashing.

    Also, you haven't shed any light on the Supermachine or the profit share?

    Do you think I should put my money into Google as they have the "Android Google CLOUD lock" but don't really have much in the way of hardware. Or do you recommend I put my money into Samsung who have the hardware, but really fall down in software and services?

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    pknz: it's easy for me . Apple and Android/Google are in a lock re: their respective market share for total global sales:

    Aapple 10% and Android/Google 35%

    ...at this stage this lock is quite steady and each party tries to break it. So, I think Apple at this stage has only it's propaganda machine at his disposal not the products that dominate the future

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    pknz:

    fan boys_girls/brainwash:Apple states: "the 4" screen is the ideal size"
    This is despite the fact that 90% of the market did not think so. Apple never had a 4" display prior to the 5 and will have larger screens moving forward
    Moving forward, Apple now needs to re-educate the fan boys_girls into thinking larger screens are the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:

    fan boys_girls/brainwash:Apple states: "the 4" screen is the ideal size"
    This is despite the fact that 90% of the market did not think so. Apple never had a 4" display prior to the 5 and will have larger screens moving forward
    Moving forward, Apple now needs to re-educate the fan boys_girls into thinking larger screens are the way to go

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    Are you able to provide some reputable sources that references this brainwashing scheme?

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    pknz:

    ... am trying to follow up on your requests but it takes some time to sort out sources as a lot of that stuff is in my head. But first things first:

    IOS8 is unreleased yes but announced at Apples WWDC a couple of weeks ago. So not all but the majority of developments are public property.
    If you care to read into it, you will maybe see that it's a HUGE catch-up exercise of things, android/Google users enjoyed for years

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    pknz:

    ... as far as numbers goes:

    http://www.fool.com/investing /general/2014/15/google-thrives-apple-worries.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:
    ... am trying to follow up on your requests but it takes some time to sort out sources as a lot of that stuff is in my head. But first things first:
    kind regards
    I have no doubt a lot of it is in your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:
    ... as far as numbers goes:

    http://www.fool.com/investing /general/2014/15/google-thrives-apple-worries.aspx

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    1. That is a broken link.
    2. You must have missed my underlined word above. I'll repeat it and bold it for you here: reputable.

    On January 21, 2010 Fool.com posted an article: "The Worst Stocks for 2010: Apple." AAPL closed Jan 21, 2010 trading at 208.07. AAPL closed 2010 at 320.56.

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    ... unfortunately, this discussion has now turned into useless blah, blah

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    ... unfortunately, this discussion has now turned into useless blah, blah

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    Incorrect. It turned into "useless blah, blah" at your first mention of brainwashing.

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    ...there has been an issue with the use of the word 'brainwash'
    The use in the context:
    -despite market offerings in mobile technology, far more advanced in most aspects than aapl-products
    ... in the writers opinion, buying an aapl-products is irrational behavior
    In the writers opinion, there can be only 2 reasons for such irrational behavior
    -aapl fan-boys_girls
    -brainwashed (through aapl advertising for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    ...there has been an issue with the use of the word 'brainwash'
    The use in the context:
    -despite market offerings in mobile technology, far more advanced in most aspects than aapl-products
    ... in the writers opinion, buying an aapl-products is irrational behavior
    In the writers opinion, there can be only 2 reasons for such irrational behavior
    -aapl fan-boys_girls
    -brainwashed (through aapl advertising for example)

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    You're going pretty off topic trying to justify your usage of the term "brainwashing".

    Back on topic, from Reuters:"Green managers stuff funds with Apple after environmental reforms"

    The Cupertino, California-based maker of the iPhone, the world's biggest public company by market capitalization, has adopted a slew of green policies such as expanded product recycling and using solar power at its data centers. For managers who have made it a favorite of the largest "green" mutual funds tracked by Thomson Reuters' Lipper unit, the improvements bolster the appeal of a stock that's risen 15 percent this year, 19th best among the Standard & Poor’s 100 index.

    ...

    The confluence of a rising price and improving environmental performance make Apple "the one stock you just can't ignore," said Anthony Tursich, senior portfolio manager of the $498 million Portfolio 21 Global Equity Fund, a green fund that bought Apple in 2011 after the company began providing more emissions data.

    Apple is the top holding of the Parnassus fund, which bought most of the shares in 2013, the year the fund rose 34 percent and beat 72 percent of peers, according to Morningstar. Through June 13 the fund was up about 7 percent in 2014, beating 87 percent of peers.

    Apple is also the top holding of the $2.9 billion Calvert Equity Portfolio and the $118 million Green Century Balanced Fund, and is the third-largest stock in the $2 billion Pax World Balanced Fund, according to the funds' latest filings.

    Fund managers cited a mix of reasons for warming up to Apple, including reforms pushed by Chief Executive Tim Cook and the stock's outlook. It is up 15 percent in 2014 through Monday on enthusiasm for its iPhones and other pending products, as well as a stock split and a dividend increase.
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    ...Buffet would not invest in companies he does not understand, can not value, or is unsure of the longer time frame. So Apple and Google is not an investment for Buffet.
    However, if anyone does make an investment in aapl, just beware of the mobile market

    m.gsmarena.com/htc_one_e8_reaches_50000_sales_in_15_minutes-news-8809.php

    m.gsmarena.com/amazon_fire_phone_unveiled-news-8814.php

    m.gsmarena.com.com/lg_g3_vs_samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1092.php
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    .. and this is what Apple is rumoured to be up to:

    http://www.gsmarena.com/5_5_iphone_s...-news-8807.php

    ...just in case your hopes are on 'wearables', as usual, Google will dominate the market, being ahead of the pack by a long mile

    ... as far as 'green' goes, just have a look at the Samsung or Google environmental policies. But maybe Apple finally makes up, having a legacy of worker exploitation in Chinese sweatshops

    kind regards
    Last edited by ananda77; 19-06-2014 at 11:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    …Buffet would not invest in companies he does not understand, can not value, or is unsure of the longer time frame. So Apple and Google is not an investment for Buffet.
    Not sure why you brought up Buffett as he hasn’t made any recent comments on Apple. The last two he made weren’t exactly negative:

    "Well, I think the Apple management’s done a pretty good job of running the company. I just wish I’d bought the stock many years ago. I did advise to buy its stock a few years ago, and they’re buying it, they’re buying a lot of stock. They’ve got a lot of money that, it’s not trapped overseas, it’s just that they’d have to pay a lot of money, and of course they’re hoping there’ll be some repatriation at some point, so they won’t have to pay that tax." Warren Buffett, 2013 (emphasis added).

    "But if you could buy dollar bills for 80 cents, it’s a very good thing to do." Warren Buffett, talking on CNBC about what Apple should do with its cash. 2013.

    However, if anyone does make an investment in aapl, just beware of the mobile market
    m.gsmarena.com/htc_one_e8_reaches_50000_sales_in_15_minutes-news-8809.php
    m.gsmarena.com/amazon_fire_phone_unveiled-news-8814.php
    m.gsmarena.com.com/lg_g3_vs_samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1092.php
    The E8 is currently only available in China. Apple sold 9mil iPhones 5s/5c in its opening weekend in 2013.

    The Amazon Fire will only be available in USA on one carrier and Joshua Topolsky has already come out and said the UI is a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    .. and this is what Apple is rumoured to be up to:

    http://www.gsmarena.com/5_5_iphone_s...-news-8807.php

    ...just in case your hopes are on 'wearables', as usual, Google will dominate the market, being ahead of the pack by a long mile

    ... as far as 'green' goes, just have a look at the Samsung or Google environmental policies. But maybe Apple finally makes up, having a legacy of worker exploitation in Chinese sweatshops
    Sounds like you just don’t like Apple as a company, which is fine, but why keep going on about it if you have nothing to contribute?

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    ...the 80 cents in a dollar has been made on CNBC referring to a private conversation he had with Jobs re: what to do with surplus cash
    His 2012 remarks of not investing in Apple or Google are unchanged today

    ... why would I not like Apple? I just think they are not an investment. A tech company needs to innovate. Unless they come up with 'innovation' the Apple story is grinding to a halt

    So where is the INNOVATION???????????
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101608060
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...-2014/4143685/
    http://www.cnbc.com/id100883593
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101610244

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    ... in conclusion and IMHO, Apple as a company at this junction has not many options to move forward

    -Apple has an 'innovation' to be revealed in September
    -Apple moves into mass market (as the stock split already suggests) over time

    Until there is a clear direction, there is too much uncertainty for the stock to be an investment for my liking

    However, there might be a killing to be had on a speculative basis - not an option for me as the stock is simply too expensive for that

    kind regards

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    http://www.gsmarena.com/android_grow...-news-8865.php

    ... worth a read if aapl invested -news from Google I/O-

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    Last edited by ananda77; 26-06-2014 at 10:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    www.gsmarena.com/android_grows_to_315m_phone_shipments_1b_active_us ers-news-8865.php

    ... worth a read if aapl invested -news from Google I/O-

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    You should probably post that in the GOOG thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    http://www.gsmarena.com/android_grow...-news-8865.php

    ... worth a read if aapl invested -news from Google I/O-

    kind regards
    ... no wonder Cook calls Android an EVIL BREW -ridiculous really-
    Last edited by ananda77; 26-06-2014 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    ... no wonder Cook calls Android an EVIL BREW -ridiculous really-
    Just making stuff up now?

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