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    Quote Originally Posted by peat View Post
    http://www.wxyz.com/news/science-tec...-for-3-billion
    "It's hard to understand why Apple would have to spend $3 billion on a nascent streaming service and a line of bass-heavy headphones,"
    ...because Apple is desperate for market share

    IMHO, the stock split points to a massive change within Apple. It could very well mean, to make the stock look cheap for Joe Bloke who buys and the insiders sell

    Apples market share remains steady at 10% of global mobile phone sales with competition to Apples 'local storage' strategy under threat form Android in combination with the Google Cloud

    Local Storage in the age of mobile is extremely expensive as it requires a long hardware chain. Opposite to that reigns the power and intelligence of the Google Cloud accessible with any run of the mill cell but delivering the same results as local storage
    No problem to connect the cell via MHL to a big screen (any brand) and use Google Drives sheets, documents etc, etc free of charge. No save required, no hassle with crashes, no start-up waste of time, no nonsense, if the bell rings here it automatically rings there -thats stone age nonsense-
    ...and to make the bell ring here = NZD1200, to automatically ring it there = NZD 3200
    ...of course the Apple screens are so small its impossible to do some decent work on the go but there is the pad = NZD 800
    Apple has been very successful into deceiving customers into this strategy, but I feel, the deceptive days are counted and hopefully consumers and businesses just say Good Bye

    At the same time, Apple finds itself light years behind the curve in terms of Cloud and iOS8 in that respect is no more than an indication of an epic failure and desperate attempt to catch up
    ...In reality, IOS8 does not offer anything Android and Google served as standard diet for the last two years...but Apple fan boys girls get very exited and brainwashed to believe they are at the front of modern mobile

    Apple finally had to realise, the power and intelligence of today is not in a machine but in the CLOUD

    At this stage, Apple has to re-invent: anything from bigger screens, cheaper phones (5c a start -not cheap but already plastic-) and cloud...and the competition is fierce and relentless.

    Even with iOS8, there is nothing remotely intelligent that GOOGLE NOW can't blow out of the water. Furthermore, the Android heavyweights hit hard into Apples traditional hardware strength with undeniable success. There is nothing even remotely in the Apple hardware line-up like the Note3 Supermachine

    Anyway, a lot of uncertainty surrounds this stock and the way they move for example in respect to bigger screens does not inspire a lot of confidence. As a matter of fact, they most likely will remain a niche player unable to break the Android Google CLOUD lock


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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    Apple finds itself light years behind the curve in terms of Cloud and iOS8
    Light years?


    Cloud and iOS8 in that respect is no more than an indication of an epic failure
    Slightly premature to call an unreleased mobile operating system an epic failure.


    Apple fan boys girls get very exited and brainwashed
    Could you expand on the brainwashing please.


    Apple finally had to realise, the power and intelligence of today is not in a machine but in the CLOUD.
    Apple stated in 2011 that they were demoting the physical devices and that the cloud was now the centre of their strategy, replacing the digital hub strategy introduced in 2001. Sure they missed with iCloud at the first attempt but it is slowly and steadily improving.


    iOS8, there is nothing remotely intelligent that GOOGLE NOW can't blow out of the water.
    Subjective.


    Android heavyweights hit hard into Apples traditional hardware strength with undeniable success.
    How does the profit share look in mobile devices?


    Note3 Supermachine
    I Googled this and couldn’t find a device named the “Note3 Supermachine.” Did you just leak an unreleased product?


    At this stage, Apple has to re-invent: anything from bigger screens … bigger screens does not inspire a lot of confidence.
    You start off with Apple needing to reinvent [itself?] by making devices with larger screens and then state that in doing so you wouldn’t have confidence in them.


    remain a niche player unable to break the Android Google CLOUD lock
    Is Apple a niche player?

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    pknz, googled note3 supermachine with two hits. It's the Samsung Note series in its 3rd generation -a machine unlike anything else on the market. I work with one and it's like anything else on the market - after i4S that's bliss

    ... Note4 out in September (confirmed) just in time to take the breath out of a possible i6 5.5'' (unconfirmed)

    Of course I have no confidence in Apple forward because looking back, am not ever going to put up with inferior so-called top-end products after it took Apple light years to realise the need for bigger screens

    So IOS8 a giant release in the words of Cook, yes: healthkit, homekit, etc, move on, that's history in
    the Android/Google world

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz, googled note3 supermachine with two hits. It's the Samsung Note series in its 3rd generation -a machine unlike anything else on the market

    ... Note4 out in September (confirmed) just in time to take the breath out of a possible i6 5.5'' (unconfirmed)

    Of course I have no confidence in Apple forward because looking back, am not ever going to put up with inferior so-called top-end products after it took Apple light years to realise the need for bigger screens

    So IOS8 a giant release in the words of Cook, yes: healthkit, homekit, etc, move on, that's history in
    the Android/Google world

    kind regards
    Could you provide a link to the Note 3 Supermachine? TIA.

    The rest of that sounds like an Android v iOS rant. Very little about AAPL. I thought this was sharetrader.co.nz not a tech forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pknz View Post
    Could you provide a link to the Note 3 Supermachine? TIA.

    The rest of that sounds like an Android v iOS rant. Very little about AAPL. I thought this was sharetrader.co.nz not a tech forum?
    This is share trader. co. nz where people get information that helps making investment decisions. And so far, Apple for me at this stage is not a good investment because all of the above. Of course what mobile suits one best is a very personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    This is share trader. co. nz where people get information that helps making investment decisions. And so far, Apple for me at this stage is not a good investment because all of the above. Of course what mobile suits one best is a very personal experience.

    kind regards
    Part of your investing decisions involves "brainwashed fan boys and girls". I have already asked you to expand on this as I'm quite concerned re the brainwashing.

    Also, you haven't shed any light on the Supermachine or the profit share?

    Do you think I should put my money into Google as they have the "Android Google CLOUD lock" but don't really have much in the way of hardware. Or do you recommend I put my money into Samsung who have the hardware, but really fall down in software and services?

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    pknz: it's easy for me . Apple and Android/Google are in a lock re: their respective market share for total global sales:

    Aapple 10% and Android/Google 35%

    ...at this stage this lock is quite steady and each party tries to break it. So, I think Apple at this stage has only it's propaganda machine at his disposal not the products that dominate the future

    kind regards
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    pknz:

    fan boys_girls/brainwash:Apple states: "the 4" screen is the ideal size"
    This is despite the fact that 90% of the market did not think so. Apple never had a 4" display prior to the 5 and will have larger screens moving forward
    Moving forward, Apple now needs to re-educate the fan boys_girls into thinking larger screens are the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:

    fan boys_girls/brainwash:Apple states: "the 4" screen is the ideal size"
    This is despite the fact that 90% of the market did not think so. Apple never had a 4" display prior to the 5 and will have larger screens moving forward
    Moving forward, Apple now needs to re-educate the fan boys_girls into thinking larger screens are the way to go

    kind regards
    Are you able to provide some reputable sources that references this brainwashing scheme?

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    pknz:

    ... am trying to follow up on your requests but it takes some time to sort out sources as a lot of that stuff is in my head. But first things first:

    IOS8 is unreleased yes but announced at Apples WWDC a couple of weeks ago. So not all but the majority of developments are public property.
    If you care to read into it, you will maybe see that it's a HUGE catch-up exercise of things, android/Google users enjoyed for years

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    pknz:

    ... as far as numbers goes:

    http://www.fool.com/investing /general/2014/15/google-thrives-apple-worries.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:
    ... am trying to follow up on your requests but it takes some time to sort out sources as a lot of that stuff is in my head. But first things first:
    kind regards
    I have no doubt a lot of it is in your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    pknz:
    ... as far as numbers goes:

    http://www.fool.com/investing /general/2014/15/google-thrives-apple-worries.aspx

    kind regards
    1. That is a broken link.
    2. You must have missed my underlined word above. I'll repeat it and bold it for you here: reputable.

    On January 21, 2010 Fool.com posted an article: "The Worst Stocks for 2010: Apple." AAPL closed Jan 21, 2010 trading at 208.07. AAPL closed 2010 at 320.56.

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    ... unfortunately, this discussion has now turned into useless blah, blah

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    Quote Originally Posted by ananda77 View Post
    ... unfortunately, this discussion has now turned into useless blah, blah

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    Incorrect. It turned into "useless blah, blah" at your first mention of brainwashing.

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    ...there has been an issue with the use of the word 'brainwash'
    The use in the context:
    -despite market offerings in mobile technology, far more advanced in most aspects than aapl-products
    ... in the writers opinion, buying an aapl-products is irrational behavior
    In the writers opinion, there can be only 2 reasons for such irrational behavior
    -aapl fan-boys_girls
    -brainwashed (through aapl advertising for example)

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