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    Default The Rise of the Conservative empire

    Any information that does not involve God(s), blasphemy,overly green rubbish or drunken ravings will be gratefully received - please wear a tie.

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    I'm afraid your rather stringent requirements have removed any chances of postings....apart from Belgarion who doesn't count.
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    Full marks to craic :-))

    Full marks to BIRMANBOY :-))

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    (A) Does anybody know the man? (B) Does anyone have a precise summary of the party policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craic View Post
    (A) Does anybody know the man? (B) Does anyone have a precise summary of the party policy?
    A) No

    B) Somewhat early for "policy", I should have thought.

    Policy is difficult.

    Policy is hard.

    Policy requires thought and analysis.

    Fortunately though, the website has plenty of "Values" which can be applied to plenty of "Issues".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    A) No

    B) Somewhat early for "policy", I should have thought.

    Policy is difficult.

    Policy is hard.

    Policy requires thought and analysis.

    Fortunately though, the website has plenty of "Values" which can be applied to plenty of "Issues".
    Are you saying that no thought has been given to Policy ..

    It is in the to hard basket !!..

    If no policy... Why start a New Party ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by janner View Post
    Are you saying that no thought has been given to Policy ..

    It is in the to hard basket !!.. If no policy... Why start a New Party ??
    Hi Janner,


    A Value:
    A belief that it is the responsibility of individuals to provide for themselves, their families and their dependents, while recognizing that government must respond to those who require assistance and compassion;

    Leads to an Issue:
    Welfare based on needs not wants and the unemployed work for the benefit

    Which is addressed by a Policy:
    <<insert detailed proposals on how the Issue will be addressed according to the Value>>

    Working out a blueprint on how to make "...the unemployed work for the benefit." is a whole different ball game to simply asserting that they should.

    So Values are the "why", Issues are the "what", and Policy is the "how".

    The Conservative website is high on "why", and has a lotta "what", but no "how".

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    Received the Conservative number 8 in the mail today. Quite an impressive document in that there is no attempt to attack other political parties. there is some attempt to counter the excesses of the media and a fairly clear policy policy on referenda. Maybe they will rise in the polls before the next election.

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    Suspect that the Conservatives gained a few points from the decision by Act to pass over Boscowan. Surely they had canvassed the electorate and found that Boscowan was the known quantity? Or maybe this is just another Brownout in the Auckland political scene.

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    From the Conservative Party's website:

    "During the five year police review period eight parents have been prosecuted for smacking their children. Smacking is defined by this review as a slap with the open hand on the buttock or leg that doesn’t result in any injury. These are eight parents that are now criminals, because they smacked their children."

    In 2008, John Key said: "If I see good parents getting criminalised for lightly smacking their children for the purposes of discipline, I’m going to change the law if I’m in a position to do so. It’s as simple as that. It doesn’t matter if there’s a referendum or not. I want the law to work properly.”

    “The law is not working properly,” says Mr Craig, “and I look forward to the Prime Minister keeping his promise, by changing the law after the election this year”

    The so-called anti-smacking law is (ask any lawyer who's read it) actually more of an anti-correction law. It outlaws parents who correct their own child unless he or she is about to self-harm or break the law. It positions the State as the ultimate authority and degrades parental authority. Applying a sharp smack to the seat of learning is sometimes the best course for the child - not always but sometimes, and if the people who love the child most of all cannot be trusted to discern the difference then who can - politicians who often have dysfunctional families themselves? career bureaucrats? I for one support the Conservative Party's stance on reversing this mistake. Both parents and children deserve better.
    To foretell the future, one must first unlock the secrets of the past.

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    Give every left wing person thinks ACT policies are a bit loopy, and everyone under 65 thinks NZ First policies are loopy, I am sure the Conservatives can carve out a niche. A big call to get over 5% so winning (being gifted) a seat becomes important, or else people will be fearful of wasting their list vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgarion View Post

    Like Social Credit ... Act will become an interesting historical political study and not much more.
    Sadly, I think you could be right belg about Social Credit and unless the two ACT philosophers get their act together they might depart by the end of the year. The Conservative Party will now poll better at this election without Boscowan in the frame. ACT might of just made a fatal blow removing J.B from their ranks and there will be fall-out. Of interest, I wonder if the Conservatives will run in Epsom? I for one hope not.

    I will now state that I will support the Conservative Party over ACT and they will get my nationwide party vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgarion View Post
    All good cuzzie. Please spread this view. ...
    Alrighty, not a problem:

    The Conservative Party or The Green Party - The Conservative Party - The Green Party.

    It's The Conservative Party.

    You belg?

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    So now the Green man wants the public to pay his legal fees? Maybe some will - my donations will still be to the SPCA.

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    And the only wilderness is between Greenies ears

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    Looking good for the Conservative Party - they may not make it this time but who knows?

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    Who knows craic but I think their impact will be more noticeable this time towards the positive.

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    And now they have Garth McVicar joining the ranks. That will be a big plus for the party as Garth and the Sensible Sentencing Trust he formed are country wide. I know Garth very well as a hard working individual who will put his heart and sole into any task, physical or mental. And he takes others with him. Apart from his farm and adventure park up on the Mohaka river, he had a house moving business. When I was looking at options to put a house on the top of a very steep hill my barber suggested buying a house that was being movedto make way for a car park. "who could move that house up onto that hill?" - Garth Mc Vicar. Three days of frantic work on my part - getting him to agree, planning to cut a six metre wide track and getting my bid for the house accepted and we were in business. It took a large Kenworth moving truck that could raise the building ten feet in the air which was dragged bya huge International WW2 tank recovery vehicle ten hours just to make the few hundred yards to the site. When it finally made it the very experienced supervisor of the whole operation turned to me and asked "Who the ..........hell told you you could get a house up here"? - Garth Mc Vicar - "I ........well thought so" as he shook his head in disbelief at what he had done. Twenty years later I am still here and we have friends who will not visit because they will not drive up the track.

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    question here is belg.........
    do you support punishment for crime committed?
    or more benefits to subdue desperate folks from committing crime?
    or reeducation?

    crime is committed for a reason...... generally its.......
    hate, jealousy, addiction, greed, desperation.


    NZ has been down both tracks of "fixing" this issue with different political party "reforms"

    and neither works overly well.......

    this topic will be a very big can of worms in the next generation to populate NZ, and as it is now in todays world.........
    its growing into a major issue.
    what is the answer to this?

    INHO... it starts with family and the structure of the family and the value of the family.
    also IMHO.... a family starts with two people and those two people plan a family in a way that they can support and
    nurture that family.
    This is something that sadly is being lost in our current society of governments supporting more and more
    non family units, one parent units, "wanna be" family units and very sadly "income via babies" family units.....
    and worst of all....... no responsibility to what happens to the younger family units as they grow up.

    end result...... a generation of "" hate, jealousy, addiction, greed, desperation.""

    I might be wrong on a national scale..... but I see this, and deal with this everyday in my current career in a regional district.

    P.S.
    If other posters think this is an issue and want to discuss it, I would be happy for a new thread,
    as this is a pan political issue...... the smart folks on this website could express views and defiantly make a difference for our future society
    on a non political level........ even though it will take a political action to make things good again.

    thoughts?

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    FFS Here we go, another, "I got caught and he bashed me sir". Smack your laughing gear around this and tell me what's wrong. Burglar gets a tickle up and is now complaining. This is where the Cons are making waves, waves against the crimes. I've now decided to split my vote 50/50 for National and Conservative. Too right, I have a relative and a friend of my sister standing for the Cons, and both of them are Christians & I am not, but tell me where I am wrong. If the message is good, I'm good. BTW, my sisters friend was going to be the Cons Epsom candidate, but C.R got Epsom instead. Pity, wait till you see who she is & where she will be a Cons candidate. Garth McVicar will be very pleased as I am.
    I know a guy that lives locale to me that caught somebody breaking into his car & when he came out and rushed the guy, he promptly got whacked over the head with a wheel brace. Half knocked out the guy got the better of the mongrel and KO him. That guy[the car owner] got sent to prison for four months because he not only stopped the car thief but in defending himself he won after getting whacked. The car thief got let off. What does that tell you. Vote left and support the suppressed? It was H.C Govt. at the time.
    With his stand against weak socialist Judges, Garth McVicar makes a lot of sense. It is a tick against the very weak Left that is committed to helping criminals and a tick for the right to put these creeps away where they belong. I like that, I like that a lot.

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