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    You are correct Beagle. There is a gush of new EVs coming, but they will eat ICE sales rather than kill Tesla.
    The new VW group EV cars make much more sense to many than buying a ICE VW.
    Next year I estimate VW ID3/ID4 will take a third of VW Golf sales in the UK (they sold about 60,000 Golf last year).
    Take a look at Lucid Air and speculate on which German luxury carmaker is going to loose the most sales in USA.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/elec...-on-tesla.html

    I suspect its Tesla that's going to lose more than a few sales. German and American car manufacturing standards are VERY different, (I have owned examples of each).
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    I was wondering where Tesla was going to get the estimated 40,000 staff needed over the next few years in Germany from, but I see Daimler alone is looking to loose 30,000. BMW is targeting loosing 16,000, so they might get a few from there and Poland is only about an hour away (Polish workers are already building much of the Drive Unit roof)
    https://www.mercedes-fans.de/magazin...n-gefahr.16177

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    https://www.driven.co.nz/news/tesla-...ampaign=topbox

    Surprised the Tesla zealots haven't worked themselves up into a frenzy over this on here already https://www.driven.co.nz/news/tesla-...ampaign=topbox
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    Good news Beagle. When you decide to buy a real car you can now order an 1100 horsepower Model S that does 0-100 in 2 seconds and has a 800km range.

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    LOL I have a real car. I can "charge" up my fuel tank in 2-3 minutes and have 900 km's range
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    A number of gamblers and incels (who seem to have expected a free girlfriend with every car) are disappointed and selling out. I might have to buy back in if it drops much. Shanghai is now looking like a million cars a year within a few years, Berlin is not far behind. Texas will be producing next year and Energy is about to go ballistic. The "crazies" (like Ark) are looking more rational every day.

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    Can you do that at home? Does it cost $20? Can it drive itself? (work in progress that one LOL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    LOL I have a real car. I can "charge" up my fuel tank in 2-3 minutes and have 900 km's range
    I guess you can tow a boat or a caravan as well ?

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    Absolutely not, go and wash your mouth out with carbon free made soap My carbon footprint is beautifully soaked up by all the trees on my property and if I didn't have one they wouldn't grow as well lol
    Seriously though...if this battery breakthrough is real and not just creative marketing hype it does look good...all that's left is the "minor" matter of them to start making the rest of the car with decent build quality.
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    ARK investments (a fund manager) are a big Tesla investor. Their base case target is Tesla (post split) is $1400 a share by 2024. Other fund managers have widely ridiculed ARK's targets, but so far ARK has been on the right side of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    I guess you can tow a boat or a caravan as well ?
    https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/buying-a-c...towing-review/

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    https://www.carsguide.com.au/adventu...-model-x-74243

    Frightening drop in range and that's towing a very modest weight pop top caravan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    LOL I have a real car. I can "charge" up my fuel tank in 2-3 minutes and have 900 km's range
    I took a Tesla Model 3 for a test drive last weekend. Great acceleration but apart from that, I was underwhelmed and doubt very much it will be seriously considered when I replace my current car next year. Bought a "PowerWall" though !

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    I took a Tesla Model 3 for a test drive last weekend. Great acceleration but apart from that, I was underwhelmed and doubt very much it will be seriously considered when I replace my current car next year. Bought a "PowerWall" though !
    Bottom line for anyone like you or I that have had the experience of owning a high quality European made car is that apart from the underlying battery and drive systems (you can't see) everything else feels second rate.

    You could tow a decent boat or caravan with this, (2,700 kgs) with unlimited range, German assembly standards, nearly 400 horsepower and up to 77 km's electric range, all in a package which is versatile, safe and very comfortable with a 5 year warranty and 3 year service package. I think as I get even more semi retired and want to engage in more lifestyle activities this looks like a very good option. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EITjgIYqmrs I am very tempted to have a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.carsguide.com.au/adventu...-model-x-74243

    Frightening drop in range and that's towing a very modest weight pop top caravan.
    Yeah unsurprising. As someone who owns a caravan and also has a leaf for my commuter car, I can't see battery technology being able to be applied to my situation for a very long time. Hydrogen seems to be the only solution for all the NZers that tow caravans, horse floats, car trailers or use a campervan. The impact of being able to drive to a remote spot is massive and even the fastest of fast chargers means the journey is so much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k14 View Post
    Yeah unsurprising. As someone who owns a caravan and also has a leaf for my commuter car, I can't see battery technology being able to be applied to my situation for a very long time. Hydrogen seems to be the only solution for all the NZers that tow caravans, horse floats, car trailers or use a campervan. The impact of being able to drive to a remote spot is massive and even the fastest of fast chargers means the journey is so much longer.
    Bottom line for me at my age is I am looking at recreational activities in my semi retirement years and I don't want a little pokey caravan or boat that was bought to fit into a vehicle's capabilities to tow it. Something like this https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/c...5?bof=ZMhmFxNF
    has a ton or room and luxury compared to most motorhomes or caravans but needs a decent vehicle like the BMW I posted a link for above to tow it, (fits within the 2700kg's tow limit). If a caravan or boat of this weight could be towed by the Tesla (max rating 2250 kg's) it would absolutely destroy the range, perhaps to as little as 100 km's

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12367639
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    Like every car, there are a few issues with the Audi Etron (French for "turd", does not sell well there for some reason).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rin-4HRFj4c is a particularly bad experience. Polestar seems to be having issues too, with poor charging and about 2% of them immobilising and unusable. There are many EV haters ready to pounce on this sort of stuff, so hopefully Audi will get its "etron" together.

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    For those interested in investing in Tesla. Please understand that Tesla is not an Automotive company, they are a Technology company. The Tesla cars are just one product that they offer. Their real products are Battery technology design & patents, Energy storage and Software. Many, if not most Wall St analysts don't understand Tesla and their recommendations are short term ie to the next 1/4 only. If you invest in Tesla you need to understand what they actually are and that you enter a position going Long.

    Someone mentioned Cathy Woods & Ark Investments above and they are correct. Ark's analysts are ahead of the game looking for long term growth not short term gain to which most mainstream analysts subscribe to. Cathy Woods / Ark have proven themselves as digital age analysts who understand finance and technology.

    To finish, Tesla is a Long hold. Buy it and forget about it. If you are short term and you have an appetite for volatility and can stomach the ups and downs then good luck to you.

    Again, Tesla is NOT an Automotive company. In the end Tesla will supply the surviving Automotive companies their Batteries and Software much like Microsoft did with Windows.

    Happy trading,

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