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    Best summed up;
    After all said and done, there was more said, than done.

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    Superb response perc.... Aesop ??
    Last edited by janner; 04-09-2017 at 08:51 AM.

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    How many these days have even heard of him ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by janner View Post
    How many these days have even heard of him ?????
    Only the old ones ... and they are apparently not capable to grasp new technologies (but this is a different thread).

    Ah well - sound like we two know about him, so maybe windows manufacturing is the right thread for us ... even the old Romans (fenestra) and the Germanic tribes (window - Windauge - "eye of the wind") knew already about them .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Only the old ones ... and they are apparently not capable to grasp new technologies (but this is a different thread).

    Ah well - sound like we two know about him, so maybe windows manufacturing is the right thread for us ... even the old Romans (fenestra) and the Germanic tribes (window - Windauge - "eye of the wind") knew already about them .
    Windows... In at $1.35 Out at $1.38. Wisdom comes from age ... :-)))))))

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    [QUOTE=janner;681976]Windows... In at $1.35 Out at $1.38. Wisdom comes from age ... :-))))))

    Usually accompanied with less verbiage..

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    About the same time Metro mentioned 'flat' Comvita said with a bit luck earnings next year might be about the same as 2 years prior

    Metro share price down 20% since - Comvita share price up 25% since

    Punters obviously have more faith in Comvita's forecast than Metro's forecast

    Just shows you how Metro is regarded by the market - almost become a market pariah and that's nota good place to be.
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    About the same time Metro mentioned 'flat' Comvita said with a bit luck earnings next year might be about the same as 2 years prior

    Metro share price down 20% since - Comvita share price up 25% since

    Punters obviously have more faith in Comvita's forecast than Metro's forecast

    Just shows you how Metro is regarded by the market - almost become a market pariah and that's nota good place to be.
    Depends on your perspective ... might be good buying for some time to come ;
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    Default Sector comparison with the so called "Benchmark"

    Quote Originally Posted by bullfrog View Post
    I think we all agree that there is a perception that MPG has underperformed, but against what benchmark are we judging this underperformance against? Is it a sector benchmark, or a market benchmark? If it's above average in its sector, but below average in the market, then it ticks a box for inclusion in a diversified portfolio I guess.
    Very good point. According to 4traders FBU who are forecasted, (if you believe them) to recover their profitability very well in FY18, (I personally think the systemic management issues they are still working their way through will take a long time to resolve and then there's the effect of existing fixed price contracts still to be completed) FBU is trading on 13 times next years robust recovery number and 12.7 times FY19's continuing recovery number. Surely there are substantial risks to these forecasts ?

    On the other hand, again according to average broker forecast MPG are trading on a FY18 PE of just 9.6 (forecast 21.2m), and FY19 PE of just 9.1, (forecast $22.6m) and FY20 average forecast is $23.5m so more growth to come then.

    Honestly I see FAR more risks from known and unforeseen factors to FBU's forecast and then there's the PE difference which looks overdone to me even assuming they can make their optimistic numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    About the same time Metro mentioned 'flat' Comvita said with a bit luck earnings next year might be about the same as 2 years prior

    Metro share price down 20% since - Comvita share price up 25% since

    Punters obviously have more faith in Comvita's forecast than Metro's forecast

    Just shows you how Metro is regarded by the market - almost become a market pariah and that's nota good place to be.
    Fund managers just spitting the dummy mate..all getting on the back of Bryan Gaynor's article. Patient possums will get reasonably well fed with this one I reckon.
    Don't want to get splattered all over the road so I'll just keep a small piece of one paw in this one.
    Last edited by Beagle; 04-09-2017 at 11:56 AM.
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    This slide from full year announcement is pretty awful - H217 profits down 18%

    Wonder how bad the slide will look for for this half year - especially in context of AGG contribuzting $4m plus ebitda v last year
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