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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    REINZ report HPI down 1.4% in July from June - last 3 months down 4.9% and an an annual basis now negative at 2.9%

    At this rate some banks saying 20% decline in property prices is on track

    This ialk of Oceania having a 'buffer' against falling property prices is a load of the proverbial - believe it if it makes feel easier though


    https://www.reinz.co.nz/Media/Defaul...uly%202022.pdf
    Remember when the banks said house prices would drop 20% because of covid. Literally did the opposite LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    REINZ report HPI down 1.4% in July from June - last 3 months down 4.9% and an an annual basis now negative at 2.9%

    At this rate some banks saying 20% decline in property prices is on track

    This ialk of Oceania having a 'buffer' against falling property prices is a load of the proverbial - believe it if it makes feel easier though


    https://www.reinz.co.nz/Media/Defaul...uly%202022.pdf
    Hey Winner, people believe OCA have a buffer because of the deep NTA discount and the fact that OCA didnt raise their prices bugger all during the recent huge upswing in property prices. Is this not a fair assumption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawz View Post
    Hey Winner, people believe OCA have a buffer because of the deep NTA discount and the fact that OCA didnt raise their prices bugger all during the recent huge upswing in property prices. Is this not a fair assumption?
    But then they may follow prices down now that’s the way the markets going
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Maybe, but if that happens the other big players's projected income will be far more seriously impacted than OCA's will. I have no doubt whatsoever that OCA not raising their prices, was a strategic move, not "stupidity" as some here choose to believe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    Maybe, but if that happens the other big players's projected income will be far more seriously impacted than OCA's will. I have no doubt whatsoever that OCA not raising their prices, was a strategic move, not "stupidity" as some here chose to believe.
    You could be right JAK. Its not uncommon for businesses to sacrifice margins for a short period of time for various reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawz View Post
    You could be right JAK. Its not uncommon for businesses to sacrifice margins for a short period of time for various reasons.
    Amazon did it for over 20 years

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    When you consider the large number of unsold units (a years worth?) I think 'strategic' is code for something is wrong and units aren't selling that well so we better discount them
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    When you consider the large number of unsold units (a years worth?) I think 'strategic' is code for something is wrong and units aren't selling that well so we better discount them
    Yeah, I don't think OCA is the Amazon of the NZ retirement sector. Still good value at a dollar though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    When you consider the large number of unsold units (a years worth?) I think 'strategic' is code for something is wrong and units aren't selling that well so we better discount them
    Are you sure you understand OCA's business?

    From what I see - they sell (mainly) care suites ... 61% of them as Basil / beagle loves to tell us. These care suites won't sell like hot crossed buns to people who don't need them (yet). That's the flip side of their business. On the bright side (for shareholders): There are always people who do need this service, and as soon as they do, they will take it, no matter what.

    Given that supply is somewhat lumpy (you finish a handful of hundred units at the same time) but demand a constant flow ... it will always take a bit of time until they filled one of these new buildings.

    This is the difference between a needs based service (like e.g. a hospital) and a cruise.
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    here's the graphical evidence of the sectors demise

    peak in sector was when NZ was in lockdown level 4 sept 21 , when NZ alert levels ended it was all down hill and everyone new then there would be no more lockdowns

    here the link to time lines

    https://covid19.govt.nz/about-our-co...-alert-system/


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