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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    momentum has stalled alright looks like it has just broken good support at 1.35
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle...7KKYPQMPJOYAQ/

    Maybe they need a new marketing angle......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Could be mate. A quick look at the TA looks solid to me too. In a nice uptrend, above 30 and 100 day moving averages. RSI looks to be just over 50 so its not overbought in the mid 130's and has consolidated very nicely at this level. Bollinger bands getting squeezed together. Looks nicely set to extend the recent rally in due course. Property is a long term investment and this one looks very well positioned to give outstanding returns over both the short and the long haul.
    You really put the jinx on there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Leopard View Post
    You really put the jinx on there
    Not really, as you know no single post on an internet discussion group moves a market. Coincidence that RYM posted results today that on paper looked ok but behind it raised the ugly spectre of troubles getting traction in the expansion market (aus) but worse trying to justify dividends after taking the covid subsidy. So the sector gets hit as punishment.

    It would be nice if you two buried the hatchet. Preferably not in each other’s heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Not really, as you know no single post on an internet discussion group moves a market. Coincidence that RYM posted results today that on paper looked ok but behind it raised the ugly spectre of troubles getting traction in the expansion market (aus) but worse trying to justify dividends after taking the covid subsidy. So the sector gets hit as punishment.

    It would be nice if you two buried the hatchet. Preferably not in each other’s heads.
    You really lack any sense of humour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Not really, as you know no single post on an internet discussion group moves a market. Coincidence that RYM posted results today that on paper looked ok but behind it raised the ugly spectre of troubles getting traction in the expansion market (aus) but worse trying to justify dividends after taking the covid subsidy. So the sector gets hit as punishment.

    It would be nice if you two buried the hatchet. Preferably not in each other’s heads.
    Think you have gotten the wrong end of the stick there BaaBaa.

    I missed this price action today unfortunately, but if it's still at this level on Monday, it's top up time.

    Beagle, sorry about your Mum :-(

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    Thanks guys. Thankfully its not quite the last bit of the beginning of the end I feared. Her fall was not as bad as my sister in law made it out to be, no major injury or broken bones...could have been a lot worse....just had a good chat with her this evening and she seemed in good spirits... but its definitely a case of tick tock goes the clock...specialists gave her 5-8 months to live with terminal liver cancer but that was 4 1/2 months ago All we can do is make the most of enjoying what time is left. 91 is a pretty good innings and I have always known I am a loved. No pain yet so that's awesome and an answer to prayer !

    Anyway...back to OCA. Caught in the RYM wake and some people seem to have read the headlines and thrown their toys out of the cot. I am happy to take a "dogged" approach.

    Grudges and hatchets I carry not...too heavy to cart around. People sometimes say things in the heat of the moment that comes out too aggressive...of course I never do that lol
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    ARV was rock solid, OCA sold off on RYM? can someone with industry inside information link the two because its either panic selling or a rotation into other stocks by traders of the stock which must be more in number than one would expect for a defensive stock.

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    I have a theory which is just an idea I have been mulling over. With the number of shares on issue and the daily turnover it would take a couple of months to accumulate a position close to 5%. Appears very easy to sell into a bad day and then start buying again from what I have seen. That said yesterdays volume was a little higher. Could also explain the rapid rise we had over a couple of weeks.

    Not really an answer to your question though.

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    well 20/20 Bull must have a very big position to drive the market down on his selling. We may be seeing that the number of traders, shorters is greater then we first thought for this stock..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike2020 View Post
    I have a theory which is just an idea I have been mulling over....
    That is known as an hypothesis.

    At $1.30 I rate OCA as under-valued and buyable. But as my second largest NZX holding (behind HGH, also under-valued), I am not buying anymore at present, except in the DRiP

    But should the price drop much more I may look for some share change.

    Disc: OCA & ARV
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    I bought another parcel at $1.33 not expecting price to drop to $1.30. The market so often reacts the opposite to what you expect. ARV covid affected result next week will no doubt reflect a similar outcome as Ryman. Will Mr Mkt be similarly unkind to OCA. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly View Post
    I bought another parcel at $1.33 not expecting price to drop to $1.30. The market so often reacts the opposite to what you expect. ARV covid affected result next week will no doubt reflect a similar outcome as Ryman. Will Mr Mkt be similarly unkind to OCA. Time will tell.
    Yep I did the same. If the SP drops any more, I will buy some more, and then I will be well overweight in this stock, so really exposed to any adverse shocks. Well into profit, but hate to see it dissipate.

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    being over weight in anything increases risk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waltzingironmansinlgescul View Post
    being over weight in anything increases risk...
    Haha that is certain. But if it goes back up to $1.46 or higher, being overweight is a sign of opulence. I believe that was the case in the 18 century.

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    The good old management incentive scheme - likes pigs to the trough eh or as they say in management HR consultancy lingo 'align these executives’ interests with the interests of Oceania’s shareholders'. What a load of crap.


    As long as OCA aren't complete losers relative to NZX50 they got over one hurdle ....and of course the profit hurdles (target) seem to be missing


    For the first performance hurdle, Share Rights will qualify for vesting on a straight-line basis from 0% where the total shareholder return (TSR) from the commencement date to the measurement date is equal to the 35th percentile of the NZX50 Group to 100% where the TSR is equal to or greater than the 75th percentile of the NZX50 Group.

    For the second performance hurdle, Share Rights will qualify for vesting if OCA’s annual growth in underlying earnings (before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) per share (UEPS) from the commencement date to the measurement date is equal to or greater than the target for growth in UEPS for that period
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    I have asked them to tell us what the UESP targets are.

    Betcha they nowhere near what shareholders Beagle and Mav reckon OCA earnings will be
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    I have asked them to tell us what the UESP targets are.

    Betcha they nowhere near what shareholders Beagle and Mav reckon OCA earnings will be
    they will be lower for sure , just look at the share price action.
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    but arnt there outstanding sales and no Covid costs this half? which means earnings should be up?

    nothing from MR B because of course its all been said before...Mr M has already detailed the sails deferred till this half report?
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    grant robinson letter has a bigger effect on oca than other retirement stocks as a larger proportion of oca profits are margins on sale at higher prices. hence why its not so good anymore to levergae the property boom
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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    grant robinson letter has a bigger effect on oca than other retirement stocks as a larger proportion of oca profits are margins on sale at higher prices. hence why its not so good anymore to levergae the property boom
    Letter is a response to public pressure and keeping political capital in place. Will it have any real impact?

    Orr's response, translated eloquently in the link below, suggests not. Sounds like RBNZ will move on data, not letters.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/25...tters-decoded/

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