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23-10-2018, 05:09 PM
#601
MET up, OCA and RYM down a fraction of a percent, but yes SUM others have been whacked... but I wouldn't say "every retirement stock being hit" as sum appear to have been hit significantly more than others while the majority of the NZX listed companies are having 'just another day'.
And I wouldn't have thought ARV and SUM were comparable, SUM holders would no doubt be outraged at such a comparison!
Last edited by trader_jackson; 23-10-2018 at 05:11 PM.
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23-10-2018, 05:14 PM
#602
Just the dogs being hit then lol
https://www.cnbc.com/world/?region=world and Dow futures down 200 points as I type isn't helping. That and ARV has been holding up pretty well in the correction so far.
I'm thinking you might argue even pedigree dogs must suffer some collateral damage if the market corrects significantly.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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23-10-2018, 05:20 PM
#603
Originally Posted by Beagle
Just the dogs being hit then lol
Originally Posted by Beagle
Originally Posted by Beagle
https://www.cnbc.com/world/?region=world and Dow futures down 200 points as I type isn't helping. That and ARV has been holding up pretty well in the correction so far.
I'm thinking you might argue even pedigree dogs must suffer some collateral damage if the market corrects significantly.
Have to agree with you there... until today ARV was vitually unscathed by this whole 'correction' scary stuff, although I'd argue that is because it was too cheap even at $1.34
But yes it seems the dogs hit hard today, ARV and SUM down a similar amount, although fairly low volume for both of them, particularly ARV with barely 6 figures worth changing hands.
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24-10-2018, 10:52 AM
#604
No worries, going back up today.
Some say $1.32 easy by days end.
Maybe this whole share price drop thing was just isolated to sum others afterall
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25-10-2018, 10:59 AM
#605
Originally Posted by trader_jackson
No worries, going back up today.
Some say $1.32 easy by days end.
Maybe this whole share price drop thing was just isolated to sum others afterall
very big hit today so far... some of the elderly/retail holders clearly selling in panic... if I hadn't topped up earlier in the year at $1.19, I'd be tempted to buy more
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29-10-2018, 03:44 PM
#606
Management got every incentive to pump the share price up .....somehow
Principal terms The performance share rights are subject to a vesting period from 1 April 2018 to 20 working days after the FY21 annual results are released to the NZX (provisionally 23 June 2021). Vesting is subject to the satisfaction of a total shareholder return hurdle, which is split 50% to an NZ50 performance ranking hurdle and 50% to a peer group ranking hurdle. Upon vesting, each performance share right can be converted into one ordinary share in Arvida on exercise for no cash payment. Further details of the LTI Plan are included within Arvida’s Annual Report.
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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29-10-2018, 04:48 PM
#607
Originally Posted by winner69
Management got every incentive to pump the share price up .....somehow
Originally Posted by winner69
Principal terms The performance share rights are subject to a vesting period from 1 April 2018 to 20 working days after the FY21 annual results are released to the NZX (provisionally 23 June 2021). Vesting is subject to the satisfaction of a total shareholder return hurdle, which is split 50% to an NZ50 performance ranking hurdle and 50% to a peer group ranking hurdle. Upon vesting, each performance share right can be converted into one ordinary share in Arvida on exercise for no cash payment. Further details of the LTI Plan are included within Arvida’s Annual Report.
No wonder the share price has stayed remarkably strong! ARV only down 5% from all time high...
Then again hasn't changed much since way back in Jan 2017, thats nearly 2 years ago... only the boring stuff like EPS, NTA, development progress, land bank and dividend have increased steadily.
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29-10-2018, 04:53 PM
#608
Originally Posted by trader_jackson
No wonder the share price has stayed remarkably strong! ARV only down 5% from all time high...
Then again hasn't changed much since way back in Jan 2017, thats nearly 2 years ago... only the boring stuff like EPS, NTA, development progress, land bank and dividend have increased steadily.
The message to management is that they have to pull finger and get the market excited about them and pump the shareprice like hell .....need lots of hype
Otherwise wont outperform market and peer group ,..equals no bonus
Is a really boring company eh.
Last edited by winner69; 29-10-2018 at 05:12 PM.
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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29-10-2018, 05:08 PM
#609
Originally Posted by winner69
The message to management is that they have to pull finger and get the market excited about them and pump the shareprice like hell .....need lots of heap
Otherwise wont outperform market and peer group ,..equals no bonus
Is a really boring company eh.
I thought really boring companies usually deliver good returns over the long run but ARV seems to be proving me/this thinking wrong.
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29-10-2018, 05:18 PM
#610
Originally Posted by trader_jackson
I thought really boring companies usually deliver good returns over the long run but ARV seems to be proving me/this thinking wrong.
You have to help them out t_j .....do heaps more ramping
Not your normal stuff like ‘it’s cheap’ or snide comments about sum other companies - you need to tell us exciting Arvida specific stuff with what it means in profits etc — quantifiable stuff so we can easily see the potential.
If management not going to do it it’s up to the likes of you to do for it then.
I look forward to it.
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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