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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Above posted on 15-02-2018
    Even more wary of them today.
    when I think of all the public listed companies that have failed due to incompetence and or dishonesty and it is a very long list they have all been run by white guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain View Post
    when I think of all the public listed companies that have failed due to incompetence and or dishonesty and it is a very long list they have all been run by white guys.
    Brain or Brane, Is ronnie a "whi!e guy "?

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    Can you please name all these companies? How many NZ listed companies have failed in the last 20 years?
    Last edited by Dassets; 11-01-2022 at 08:05 PM. Reason: add

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dassets View Post
    Can you please name all these companies? How many NZ listed companies have failed in the last 20 years?
    Intueri Education Group....Danny Chin.
    Mainzeal Group...Richard Yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dassets View Post
    Can you please name all these companies? How many NZ listed companies have failed in the last 20 years?
    CBL
    Feltex
    Pumpkin Patch
    Pike River
    Fortex
    Intueri
    Wynyard
    Plus SMS
    Snakk
    PGC

    Then there’s the finance companies :

    South Canterbury Finance
    Hanover
    Strategic Finance
    Capital & merchant
    Lombard
    Nathan Finance
    Etc … all up 51 & in excess of $7 billion of wealth destroyed

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Intueri Education Group....Danny Chin.
    Mainzeal Group...Richard Yan.
    Lets not let facts get in the way of being PC Percy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    Not meaning to sound totally non P C but I totally agree Percy seeing their disregard to shareholders & negligence ,this will taint similar businesses & businessmen .
    "Where were the NZX & FMA before this company got up to its shenanigans & went broke?" Quote NZTX
    I assume from this you are asking /posing the question or do you have any facts nztx that qex is broke ,just awaiting the next development sooner rather than later before the nzx becomes a complete laughing stock / exchange .

    Did I suggest they are broke ?

    or was that someone else ?

    The following may give some indicators, bearing in mind Westpac appear to have pulled
    subsidiary's Y's financing facility after $4m of stock allegedly vaporised without trace

    The number of Board departures may suggest departing Directors not happy with what they saw

    #136 Here:

    DETERMINATION OF NZ MARKETS DISCIPLINARY TRIBUNAL 23 DECEMBER 2021

    http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...780/362894.pdf

    QEX has not made any submissions regarding costs but has noted that it has
    limited financial resources at this time and that the recent Covid-19 lock-down
    in Auckland has heavily impacted its operations. While it has not been
    suggested that the global pandemic contributed to the breaches in this case,
    there is no doubt that a Covid trading environment has resulted in a fast paced
    and complex commercial environment where QEX and other companies must
    make key business decisions at speed and when it may be difficult to predict
    prospective market conditions. A small and closely held Listed entity, reliant on
    external advisors, may be stretched and vulnerable in this environment.
    Mistakes can be made but these breaches are consistent with a persistent
    pattern of poor systems in place. That said, the Tribunal is mindful that
    financial deterioration due to Covid trading conditions may be a factor in QEX’s
    ability to pay its fine and costs at this time46.
    #139 in same document:

    The Tribunal also encourages NZ RegCo to work with QEX to determine how
    best to make payment on its fine and costs (for example, agreeing a payment
    plan).
    In any case when or if things look decidedly terminal - will NZX then boot QEX off the Board
    and start proceedings for recovery of any Penalties & Costs still outstanding ?


    Guess that puts NZX ahead of the long suffering minority shareholders too

    Perhaps a faster & less painful (for minority holders) formula may have been to make
    Ronnie jointly responsible with QEX for the large dallop of penalties or better fully responsible
    as sole remaining Director and longstanding Bigwig of the show ?
    Last edited by nztx; 11-01-2022 at 10:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    CBL
    Feltex 2010
    Pumpkin Patch 2015 when it closed all stores, delisted 2017, was gone for all money years earlier
    Pike River 2012
    Fortex 1994
    Intueri 2017
    Wynyard 2017
    Plus SMS 2010
    Snakk 2019
    PGC 2018 Listing migrated. Hasn't failed.

    To be fair the above delisted years after failing. Hmmm did miss Richina which seems to have the greatest legal consequence(so far) run by a Mr Richard Yan Esq.

    Then there’s the finance companies : errr not listed but thanks for the memories.

    South Canterbury Finance not listed
    Hanover
    Strategic Finance
    Capital & merchant
    Lombard
    Nathan Finance
    Etc … all up 51 & in excess of $7 billion of wealth destroyed
    Dates added above. How about modern times?? I mean Fortex is virtually 30 years ago
    Last edited by Dassets; 11-01-2022 at 11:54 PM. Reason: add

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dassets View Post
    Dates added above. How about modern times?? I mean Fortex is virtually 30 years ago
    Your lucky that Balance didn’t go back to 87 which many of us have long memories of. Some of the guys that ran the companies where investors lost a lot of money were given knighthoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain View Post
    Your lucky that Balance didn’t go back to 87 which many of us have long memories of. Some of the guys that ran the companies where investors lost a lot of money were given knighthoods.
    1987 The lunatics took over the asylum.!!.
    And yes some of the wide boys reinvented themselves and did extremely well,while others did not know any better and re offended.
    Some where on Sharetrader there is a thread "directors to avoid" or some such name.I lot of people on it.Thankfully I have a long memory.

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