ACT's David Seymour - i like his style.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Hopefully the Leftists ‘cultural practice’ of personally abusing others in deeply offensive terms will end over time. History does not support their propositions, so instead they scream ‘racist’ and seek to rewrite or erase those parts of history that they cannot deal with. This must stop as well.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Arguing that because pre European Maori had life expectancy of 28-30 years, colonisation did not lead to appalling outcomes for Maori is either ignorant and stupid or frankly racist. You may well be both.

Any crocodile tears shed by you over below invasion and conquest davflaws?

https://teara.govt.nz/en/chatham-islands

‘The people who became the Moriori arrived on the (Chatham) islands from Eastern Polynesia and New Zealand around 1400 CE. They had no contact with other people for 400 years, and developed their own distinct culture. They were hunter-gatherers with strong religious beliefs, and outlawed war and killing.

In 1791 an English ship, the Chatham, was blown off course and found the main island. Later European sealers, settlers and whalers arrived.

In 1835 two Māori groups, Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga, invaded the Chatham Islands. They had left northern Taranaki due to warfare, and were seeking somewhere else to live. Moriori greeted them, but the Māori killed more than 200 Moriori and enslaved the rest.’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_Islands

On 19 November and 5 December 1835, about 900 Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama previously resident in Te Whanganui-A-Tara (Wellington) and led by the chief Pōmare Ngātata arrived on the brig Lord Rodney. The first mate of the ship had been 'kidnapped and threatened with death' unless the captain took the Māori settlers on board. The group, which included men, women and children, brought with them 78 tonnes of seed potato, 20 pigs and seven large waka.[36]

The incoming Māori were received and initially cared for by the local Moriori. Soon, Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama began to takahi, or walk the land, to lay claim to it. When it became clear that the visitors intended to stay, the Moriori withdrew to their marae at te Awapatiki. There, after holding a hui (consultation) to debate what to do about the Māori settlers, the Moriori decided to keep with their policy of non-aggression.

Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama in turn saw the meeting as a precursor to warfare on the part of Moriori and responded. The Māori attacked and in the ensuing action killed over 260 Moriori. A Moriori survivor recalled: "[The Māori] commenced to kill us like sheep... [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed – men, women and children – indiscriminately".[37]

A Māori chief, Te Rakatau Katihe, said in the Native Land Court in 1870: "We took possession ... in accordance with our custom, and we caught all the people. Not one escaped. Some ran away from us, these we killed; and others also we killed – but what of that? It was in accordance with our custom. I am not aware of any of our people being killed by them."[38][39]

After the killings, Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori, or to have children with each other. Māori kept Moriori slaves until 1863, when slavery was abolished by proclamation of the resident magistrate.[5] Many Moriori women had children by their Māori masters. A number of Moriori women eventually married either Māori or European men. Some were taken away from the Chathams and never returned. Ernst Dieffenbach, who visited the Chathams on a New Zealand Company ship in 1840, reported that the Moriori were the virtual slaves of Māori and were severely mistreated, with death being a blessing. By the time the slaves were released in 1863, only 160 remained, hardly 10% of the 1835 population.[36]’

[Logen Ninefingers]

https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scho...1-body-d5.html

‘It was in the year 1828 that the noted chief Te Rauparaha appeared on the pages of Southern Maoridom. He has been described as a man of small stature, but of a proud and stately bearing; possessing a face deeply tattooed, deep penetrating eyes, and yet a face stamped with the courage of a born leader.

He had taken Kapiti Island in Cook Strait and from there “like an eagle from his eyrie,” looked towards the South Island and laid his plans for further conquests. “He had carried fire and desolation and terminated his butcheries in horrid cannibal feasts, and left behind him a bloody, smoking trail of misery and tragedy.”

From his island pa at Kapiti he made ready his schemes to invade the South Island, and at the same time to possess himself of its coveted greenstone. He accordingly manned his fleet of canoes with Ngati Toa and Ngati Raukawa warriors, armed as far as possible with the musket of the pakeha, and made for D'Urville Island. Primitive weapons were hopeless before the bullets of Te Rauparaha's invading Ngati Toa and the victory was complete. A cannibal feast followed, and the defeated who were spared the oven were sent off to Kapiti.
Delighted with his success, the ‘Maori Napoleon’ next invaded Northern Marlborough and conquered the Rangi Tane. Flushed with victory, the conqueror was keen to subdue the Kai Tahu. Accordingly he allied himself with his savage kinsman, Te Pehi, and in the following year, 1829, landed at Kaikoura.

The chief pa of the Kai Tahu at Kaikoura was named Takahaka and stood under the terrace of the foreshore north of the peninsula, where the town of Kaikoura stretches on either side today. Te Rauparaha's victory was swift and complete, for the invaders were not expected. The chief Rerewaka and the people of Kaikoura were expecting a visit from some of their southern friends, and when they awoke in the morning in question, seeing a fleet of canoes on the beach, they took them for their friends. They were, however, soon undeceived, for the visitors fell upon the unarmed people and made great slaughter. The pa was quickly taken. About one thousand of the Kai Tahu were killed and many more captured. The chief Rerewaka was one of the captives. The pa was plundered, the Ngati Toa feasted upon the dead, and the remaining captives were taken to Kapiti. Rerewaka was tortured and put to death.’

[Balance]

Arguing that because pre European Maori had life expectancy of 28-30 years, colonisation did not lead to appalling outcomes for Maori is either ignorant and stupid or frankly racist. You may well be both.

Posting by the racist davflaws who asserts that a NZer is without culture or heritage unless they are Maori or adopt Maori culture.

Why should anyone adopt a culture which is in their opinion, inferior, primitive and violent?

Why should anyone adopt and use a language which has hardly progressed from the Stone Age in their opinion? Try teaching maths and science with te reo Maori.

Why is it so difficult for racists & do gooders/ socialist failures like davflaws to accept reality that there are superior and inferior cultures and languages out there?

[Logen Ninefingers]

Posting by the racist davflaws who asserts that a NZer is without culture or heritage unless they are Maori or adopt Maori culture.

Why should anyone adopt a culture which is in their opinion, inferior, primitive and violent?

Why should anyone adopt and use a language which has hardly progressed from the Stone Age in their opinion? Try teaching maths and science with te Maori.

Why is it so difficult for racists like davflaws to accept reality that there are superior and inferior cultures and languages out there?

Why are maori not pushing to adopt their traditional cultural practices that were deemed to be ‘dreadful’ only by the alien ‘colonists’ who apparently stripped them of their culture?

Surely slavery, cannibalism, torture, inter-tribal warfare, and the taking of land by conquest, were all seen as a completely normal part of maori culture in the relatively recent past, and can therefore only be viewed as abhorrent or ‘wrong’ through an alien ‘post-colonial’ lens? If todays maori view these vital practices as ‘wrong’, surely they are continuing to think with warped ‘post-colonial’ minds that must be further ‘de-colonised’?

I see web advertisements inviting maori students to take appropriate courses at learning institutions that will ‘decolonise their thinking’. The supreme irony being that the degrees, diplomas, and courses being undertaken as per colonialist roadmaps and conventions on higher learning, in institutions modelled on colonialist frameworks. It’s a farce from the get-go, an absurdity. ‘Let’s get rid of colonialism by embracing colonialism’.

Surely the meaning of a haka is as per the conqueror, cannibal, torturer, and slave taker Te Rauparaha intended: as a challenge and rebuke to enemies in a time of war. Take it out of that context and it simply becomes a piece of kitsch; it’s ersatz, it loses all meaning and vitality.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Posting by the racist davflaws who asserts that a NZer is without culture or heritage unless they are Maori or adopt Maori culture.

Why should anyone adopt a culture which is in their opinion, inferior, primitive and violent?

Why should anyone adopt and use a language which has hardly progressed from the Stone Age in their opinion? Try teaching maths and science with te reo Maori.

Why is it so difficult for racists & do gooders/ socialist failures like davflaws to accept reality that there are superior and inferior cultures and languages out there?

Maori is actually a living language, in that new words are being created all the time. Words like ipurangi (internet), motoka waka (motor car), waka motoka (motor boat). Science is ‘pūtaiao’ in maori. (It’s a living language that doesn’t allow words from other languages). And if you don’t think there are plans afoot to incorporate maori in the teaching of subjects like science, then you haven’t reviewed the proposed new curriculum.

English is also a living language. A living language that is expected to assimilate words from the maori language; words like mana, whanau, mahi, kai etc.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Posting by the racist davflaws who asserts that a NZer is without culture or heritage unless they are Maori or adopt Maori culture.

Why should anyone adopt a culture which is in their opinion, inferior, primitive and violent?

Why should anyone adopt and use a language which has hardly progressed from the Stone Age in their opinion? Try teaching maths and science with te reo Maori.

Why is it so difficult for racists & do gooders/ socialist failures like davflaws to accept reality that there are superior and inferior cultures and languages out there?

Here’s a science teaching resource on how decolonisation will take place. Even our cities are to be ‘decolonised’ -

https://unesco.org.nz/assets/general...sed-cities.pdf

[moka]

The polls seem pretty clear. We can expect to be governed by an ACT/Nat coalition containing a large proportion of people like Balance. I can only hope that their apparent hatred and contempt of those less able and fortunate than themselves is tempered by pragmatism.

Their veins certainly don't overflow with the milk of human kindness, and if ACT have a big influence, I fear we are heading for a harsher more punitive ideologically driven regime which will increase inequality and ultimately make us all worse off.

Davflaws thank you for spelling it out so clearly in your post what we can expect under an ACT/Nat coalition. I think your comment about apparent hatred and contempt of those less able and fortunate than themselves is so true and it certainly generated more vitriol on this thread as they do not like to have to have their behaviour criticised. They are so quick to deflect the discussion away from themselves and respond with to personal attacks on posters and just ramp up their criticism of the Left or Maori etc. You are criticising their behaviour which is not okay, and they attack the person.

[Logen Ninefingers]

‘Re-indigenisation is similar to decolonisation. Some of the practical methods of decolonising will mean re-indigenising. Still, there’s an important shift in mindset that comes with re-indigenisation because it no longer centres coloniser cultures or assumptions. Instead, it focuses on how Indigenous people want to be represented and reflected.’

“In Aotearoa New Zealand, practical decolonisation, underpinned by te Tiriti o Waitangi, could be used not only to redress past wrongs but to build a more just, equitable, and inclusive society.”
- Jade Kake

“[Decolonising] requires a shift not just in what actions are taken, but also in how people think. This process can have positive results for not only the indigenous people, but for the entire community.”
- Victoria University of Wellington with Rebecca Kiddle

“Decolonizing the way we think about design and architecture and the processes by which we create the built environment begins with taking humans off the top if the pyramid and placing them as an equal part of a circle”
- Matthew Hickey

https://talkwellington.org.nz/2022/w...-in-our-towns/

https://talkwellington.org.nz/2022/r...nising-design/

[moka]

Nobody does hatred and contempt like the Left.

I disagree with your comment that nobody does hatred and contempt like the Left unless you are identifying yourself as Left.
Most the hatred on Sharetrader comes from those with a Right perspective, and I’ve read plenty of similar comments on the Herald from readers who are National supporters. But I haven’t come across a similar sustained barrage of abuse from the Left. There are occasional comments that are over the top. I would be interested to read those comments expressing hatred and contempt by the Left if you have a source.