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02-07-2015, 08:58 AM
#5411
Originally Posted by Roger
And then even worse than the futures were indicating.... down a shocking 10% hard on the back of all the other recent declines.
This is not good for the economy, not good at all.
NOt good at all. At least two bank economists are now revising their forecasts down -> Fonterra payout will probably be lower and maybe 3 OCR cuts down to 2.5% by year end.
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02-07-2015, 09:13 AM
#5412
Originally Posted by Roger
And then even worse than the futures were indicating.... down a shocking 10% hard on the back of all the other recent declines.
This is not good for the economy, not good at all.
Changing economic fortunes offers opportunities.While some sectors are weak, others are strong.I note Percy Book Corporation sales are running 8.95% ahead of last year, while the general book industry sales are declining.
Heartland has stable funding,and a diverse lending book,overseen by experience board, and experienced bankers in management rolls.
I would think it will be proved, when their result comes out HNZ has only a modest exposure to dairying.Heartland like PGW, have been looking to increase their exposure to this sector as this has been not been a strong area of their rural lending.
I did point out once before Heartland did take a lot of trouble explaining the Holden finance deal to me.As I said then it is a well thought promotion,attracting customers into their local Holden dealer.Most people have a trade in and are going for having a smaller loan outstanding.
Heartland have opened up new channels for lending,as they said they would.
I have neither brought or sold any shares in Heartland since last Christmas,and would think any one looking for a buying opportunity,would be wise to take advantage of the share price as it is a present.I think the sp got ahead of itself and now has over reacted the other way.My fair value would be between $1.25 and $1.35,with the prospects of organic growth and possible share buy back EPS will increase.Heartland like all banks has a good capacity to pay increasing dividends.In Heartland case they are fully imputed.Should Heartland fund a fantastic acquisition shareholders will gladly subscribe to a fund raising.
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02-07-2015, 09:27 AM
#5413
Originally Posted by percy
Changing economic fortunes offers opportunities.While some sectors are weak, others are strong.I note Percy Book Corporation sales are running 8.95% ahead of last year, while the general book industry sales are declining.
Two family business I am involved with are growing at over 10% a year - no bull (or cows involved).
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02-07-2015, 10:05 AM
#5414
Originally Posted by Harvey Specter
Two family business I am involved with are growing at over 10% a year - no bull (or cows involved).
Good news.
Confirms not all is doom and gloom.
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02-07-2015, 10:12 AM
#5415
Originally Posted by Roger
And then even worse than the futures were indicating.... down a shocking 10% hard on the back of all the other recent declines.
This is not good for the economy, not good at all.
Ha!Ha!..I did mention earlier on...NZ economy is on borrowed time. Exactly similar thing happened to Aussie, they relied on mining. But HNZ will still make money, as farmers have to live as well.
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02-07-2015, 02:11 PM
#5416
Originally Posted by greater fool
Any fool can lend money.Getting it back with interest is a little harder.!!
Therefore it only pays to invest with experienced bankers.
Heartland is made up of experienced bankers,so the risks greatly diminish.Diversified sector lending is important.
Banks who are over committed with household mortgages could face some issues.Note Heartland clip the ticket ,and pass these onto Kiwi Bank.
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02-07-2015, 02:12 PM
#5417
Last edited by Beagle; 02-07-2015 at 02:33 PM.
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02-07-2015, 02:34 PM
#5418
How is your big farmer client facing the challenges?
Head in the sand,or looking for opportunities?
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02-07-2015, 02:36 PM
#5419
As I am sure you can understand mate, I can't share confidential client information other than to comment generally that those with no debt at all are in better shape to weather this storm.
I really hope for the sake of the country I am wrong but this is starting to look pretty scary from where I sit. Where's the light at the end of the tunnel ?
I think a full half a percent should come off immediately at the next RBNZ interest rate review, (basically they currently have the interest rate setting woefully wrong in my opinion) with a bias towards a further two or perhaps even three quarter percent cuts this year /; early 2016. We need to be about 1.5 - 1.75% on the OCR in my opinion to get the economy on some sort of equilibrium.
RBNZ an ostrich with its head in the sand moving at the pace of a snail ? Remind me again, why did we have those 4 quarter percent interest rate increases last year ? Oh that's right, the Auckland property market. Hmmmm, at the expense of the rest of the country ?
Last edited by Beagle; 02-07-2015 at 02:46 PM.
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02-07-2015, 02:39 PM
#5420
Originally Posted by Roger
As I am sure you can understand mate, I can't share confidential client information other than to comment generally that those with no debt at all are in better shape to weather this storm.
Pleased he is not looking for a cheaper accountant...
If you are really lucky he may pay you is good Heartland shares.!
ps.I always find it disappointing when farming suffers a slow down, that those who have not borrowed come through OK, while those who have borrowed to improve their farm often face hardships.I sold books to a rural school ,and the librarian told me it was only her modest wage that kept the farm going.A couple of years later their small farm was sold for over $4mil..!!
Last edited by percy; 02-07-2015 at 02:44 PM.
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