If National wins ...

[fungus pudding]

What we can clearly say today is that National were winners on the ground with 41 electorate seats. Labour coming a distant second with 29. And no-one wanting NZ First or the Greens in their Electorate.

In addition National were way out front as the most preferred party.

[elZorro]

In addition National were way out front as the most preferred party.

But it's not FPP anymore, chaps. The combined vote from voters who wanted a change from National's polices, is higher. And if National hasn't courted future coalition partners well enough in the last nine years, that's their problem now.

It's going to be a fair contest.

[fungus pudding]

But it's not FPP anymore, chaps. The combined vote from voters who wanted a change from National's polices, is higher. And if National hasn't courted future coalition partners well enough in the last nine years, that's their problem now.

It's going to be a fair contest.

Rubbish. The combined vote for Labour/greens/and NZ First is not as high as the combined vote for National and NZ First. NZ First campaigned as free to go either way. Their voters leaving the decision in Winston's hands. NZ first voters cannot be said to be voting for change. They don't care and presumably only want Winston to have some clout. Your argument is illogical.

[blackcap]

ElZorro's argument is illogical at best. Nats still get most votes and more than Lab Green combined. However I am very conflicted. I make a packet if Labour or NZ First supply the next PM. Managed to back Labour at 12's, 10's and even some at 14's for plenty on Monday morning after the election. Have taken some off the table but leaving plenty on. Think in the end Winnie may sit on the cross benches and it will be English for PM.

[minimoke]

The combined vote from voters who wanted a change from National's polices, is higher. .

The majority of people wanted National Policies. No-one wanted Labours - if they did they would have kept Andrew Little. No-one wanted NZ First or Green policy in their electorates, preferring instead (by the most) a national person - thats hardly a cry for change.

[fungus pudding]

The majority of people wanted National Policies. No-one wanted Labours - if they did they would have kept Andrew Little. No-one wanted NZ First or Green policy in their electorates, preferring instead (by the most) a national person - thats hardly a cry for change.

eZ is a little strange. Shaw and Adern are both peddling the same ridiculous claim. They both know they're lying, whereas eZ may be a failure at maths, or perhaps a little challenged.

[elZorro]

The majority of people wanted National Policies. No-one wanted Labours - if they did they would have kept Andrew Little. No-one wanted NZ First or Green policy in their electorates, preferring instead (by the most) a national person - thats hardly a cry for change.

On one of your numerous startup threads, MM, you spelt out how close NZF policy is to Labour's. There is a big left-wing faction in NZF according to some members of the party, and they want a change of government. The campaign slogan was "Had Enough?" after all. That's quite different from as you'd like to see - "More of the same please".

Those who voted for Labour or the Greens also obviously wanted a change.

National's big problem is that the Maori Party didn't make it through, and ACT was a washout too. These are all voter messages for change.

[fungus pudding]

On one of your numerous startup threads, MM, you spelt out how close NZF policy is to Labour's. There is a big left-wing faction in NZF according to some members of the party, and they want a change of government. The campaign slogan was "Had Enough?" after all. That's quite different from as you'd like to see - "More of the same please".

Those who voted for Labour or the Greens also obviously wanted a change.

National's big problem is that the Maori Party didn't make it through, and ACT was a washout too. These are all voter messages for change.

That's silly. NZ First have always been prepared to support either side of the house. He spoke often about his bottom lines that he would use in negotiations, although he now says he didn't have any bottom lines. (He came out with another bottom line half an hour after denying he had any) Voters who wanted National out would hardly have voted for Winston First. But you can relax anyway. I think Winston decided long ago that he would support Labour, and all he needs to do is negotiate terms that leave the Greens in the coaltion but almost powerless. He'll wind Jacinda up in knots. It will be good fun but be lucky to go the distance.

[minimoke]

On one of your numerous startup threads, MM, you spelt out how close NZF policy is to Labour's. .

You might like to try contributing to threads with actual topics. This one is running to 967 pages of noise

[Joshuatree]

Caught out again mm.I note you've avoided the water issue too since my posting about the going price some irrigators are prepared to pay for it,being $1-$1.50 a cubic metre .Farcical.
I don't know how this is going to pan out but hope the change happens that people want away from a lying unprincipled leadership to an open positive more collaborative one.
Good on you elz not stooping to the petty , sniping, childish, brittle, meanspiritedness on here.