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04-04-2018, 08:02 AM
#831
Originally Posted by elZorro
This article and the comments show that we're probably not that different from Australia in total costs to run a car on the road.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/985...r-in-australia
I agree that once a 50L tankful costs over $100, I'm thinking about it. Must be tough for the oil companies to hand over all those levies they've collected for the govt, it would have to be a big cheque.
Would more fuel levies be a regressive tax? Maybe not, big road users with big rigs would pay a fair bit of it, and those lacking funds are already limiting their vehicle use. Those queues at petrol stations are often worsened with people dutifully trudging inside to get a pump authorised, and then they're only buying $10 worth.
C’mon EZ ....you know it’s a regressive tax .....and you often say regressive taxes are bad
Those big rigs you mentioned .....increased costs find their way back to consumers eh
This 10 cents extra is $300m out of consumers pockets
And when you consider what Jacinda and Phil say they are going to use it for (cycleways and trams) one could say the drivers are paying more to get less
Last edited by winner69; 04-04-2018 at 08:06 AM.
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04-04-2018, 08:05 AM
#832
Originally Posted by elZorro
Would more fuel levies be a regressive tax? Maybe not, big road users with big rigs would pay a fair bit of it, and those lacking funds are already limiting their vehicle use. Those queues at petrol stations are often worsened with people dutifully trudging inside to get a pump authorised, and then they're only buying $10 worth.
Pull the other one El Zorro. A petrol tax hits the poor hardest, they are the ones where petrol is a larger % of their income than the more wealthy. You know its regressive, but you just cannot find it in yourself to be critical of your love for Labour.
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04-04-2018, 08:16 AM
#833
Originally Posted by blackcap
Pull the other one El Zorro. A petrol tax hits the poor hardest, they are the ones where petrol is a larger % of their income than the more wealthy. You know its regressive, but you just cannot find it in yourself to be critical of your love for Labour.
Most people on the dole can't afford to run a scooter, let alone a car. So they'd be using public transport or walking. Some workers pool vehicles to get to work, or are subsidised by employers in some way. I can afford to drive a car, so I don't use public transport. I can afford the levy increase, and don't forget National would have been doing the same thing, maybe more so. I realise that having more funds coming in for transport changes and upgrades will hopefully reduce congestion on the roads, and make them safer.
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04-04-2018, 08:16 AM
#834
Originally Posted by blackcap
Pull the other one El Zorro. A petrol tax hits the poor hardest, they are the ones where petrol is a larger % of their income than the more wealthy. You know its regressive, but you just cannot find it in yourself to be critical of your love for Labour.
And GST is added to this new levy
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04-04-2018, 08:20 AM
#835
Originally Posted by winner69
C’mon EZ ....you know it’s a regressive tax .....and you often say regressive taxes are bad
Those big rigs you mentioned .....increased costs find their way back to consumers eh
This 10 cents extra is $300m out of consumers pockets
And when you consider what Jacinda and Phil say they are going to use it for (cycleways and trams) one could say the drivers are paying more to get less
Drivers are paying to encourage and develop more use of public transport, for better systems and safety features, all of which will make their driving experience better and save them time when commuting. It's also an encouragement to move into the far more efficient electric vehicles, I don't think they're going to tax electricity any differently.
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04-04-2018, 09:09 AM
#836
Originally Posted by elZorro
Drivers are paying to encourage and develop more use of public transport, for better systems and safety features, all of which will make their driving experience better and save them time when commuting. It's also an encouragement to move into the far more efficient electric vehicles, I don't think they're going to tax electricity any differently.
I only hope those many families who live in the outer suburbs ( and by necessity often have two cars) see it this way
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04-04-2018, 09:13 AM
#837
Originally Posted by winner69
I only hope those many families who live in the outer suburbs ( and by necessity often have two cars) see it this way
Of course they will.
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04-04-2018, 09:45 AM
#838
Originally Posted by elZorro
Drivers are paying to encourage and develop more use of public transport, for better systems and safety features, all of which will make their driving experience better and save them time when commuting. It's also an encouragement to move into the far more efficient electric vehicles, I don't think they're going to tax electricity any differently.
Don't forget that electric vehicles will soon be liable for RUC which is increasing as well. Hardly a good way to save money ... but hey, apparently somebody elected the big taxers, bullies and spenders, will hopefully teach us a lesson or two ;
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04-04-2018, 11:08 AM
#839
Originally Posted by winner69
Hey EZ ...has Jacinda just introduced a regressive tax
I thought she said no new taxes ....
Wrong winner. Taxinda has confirmed this is not a new tax so not breaking pre election promises. Based on that, she can increase all current taxes and still not break her promise. Clever. "Let's do this"
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04-04-2018, 12:14 PM
#840
Originally Posted by iceman
Wrong winner. Taxinda has confirmed this is not a new tax so not breaking pre election promises. Based on that, she can increase all current taxes and still not break her promise. Clever. "Let's do this"
Stupid me in misunderstanding her.
No doubt a new trend ....the trend is your friend they say so all honky dory
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