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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Well done.
    I note Jeff has never sold any.
    Thanks. Herdlicker and many of the AIR exec's should take notes.
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    Strong volumes again. Someone is buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_Rubble View Post
    Strong volumes again. Someone is buying.
    And someone is selling
    SCOTTY

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    Default Dividend Capitalised Valuation: The Data: FY2019 perspective

    Year Dividends Paid 'per share' Significant Event During Year'
    FY2013 1.5cps(sp) + 2.0cps 17th December 2012: Heartland becomes a bank
    FY2014 2.5cps + 2.5cps 1st April 2014: Seniors 'Reverse Mortgage' Business Acquired
    FY2015 3.5cps + 3.0cps 10th September 2014: invests in Harmony P2P startup
    28th October 2014: Credit rating upgraded from BBB- to BBB (Fitch Ratings)
    FY2016 4.5cps + 3.5cps
    FY2017 5.0cps + 3.5cps
    FY2018 5.5cps + 3.5cps
    FY2019 5.5cps + 3.5cps 1st November 2018, Heartland Group Holdings restructure set up
    Average FY2015 to FY2019 inclusive 8.20cps


    I have chosen to use the last five years of operation as indicative, as these years include the full contribution of the Reverse Mortgage Portfolio, a critical component of Heartland going forwards.

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    Default Dividend Capitalised Valuation: The Calculation: FY2019 perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Plugging in a representative yield of 7.5%, one that IMO represents an appropriate risk for the ups and downs of the banking cycle of Heartland in its current form, we can now arrive at our 'Capitalised Dividend Model' valuation

    (Representative Dividend per Share) / (Acceptable Gross Yield) = Share Price (an algebraic manipulation of: Dividend per Share / Share Price = Yield )

    8.333c / (0.72 x 0.075) = $1.54

    A reminder here that NTA was

    ($664.160m - $74.401m) / 560.587m = $1.05 cps

    at balance date. This means my fair valuation is at a good premium (+46%) to asset value.

    This $1.54 valuation is measured at the average point in the business cycle. My rule of thumb is that over the business cycle the actual share price will fluctuate between 80% and 120% of capitalised dividend fair value. This gives a target range of $1.23 to $1.85. Given where we are in the business cycle, $1.73 looks fair value today. Given the sweet spot in the business cycle today for shares, I think $1.85 over the next twelve months is a target that Heartland could get to. I don't see compelling value at $1.73 though. But if the share does drift back towards my fair value mid point of $1.54, that might be the time to -finally- add HBL to my portfolio.
    Plugging in a representative yield of 7.5%, one that IMO represents an appropriate risk for the ups and downs of the banking cycle of Heartland in its current form, we can now arrive at our 'Capitalised Dividend Model' valuation

    (Representative Dividend per Share) / (Acceptable Gross Yield) = Share Price (an algebraic manipulation of: Dividend per Share / Share Price = Yield )

    8.2c / (0.72 x 0.075) = $1.52

    A reminder here that NTA was

    ($654.150m - $73.085m) / 565.430m = $1.03 cps

    at the half year FY2019 balance date. This means my fair valuation is at a good premium (+48%) to asset value.

    This $1.52 valuation is measured at the average point in the business cycle. My rule of thumb is that over the business cycle the actual share price will fluctuate between 80% and 120% of capitalised dividend fair value. This gives a target range of $1.22 to $1.82. $1.41, where the share is trading today, looks a little below fair value. Take off the upcoming 3.5c dividend and we get down to an equivalent $1.375. That is a 10% discount to fair value. I therefore see HGH as worth accumulating at $1.41.

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    Another positive ... I wanted some coin for another punt and since HGH has been boring me something chronic I took the hit and bailed today. It is bound to bounce back now given my track record - you lucky holders you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Plugging in a representative yield of 7.5%, one that IMO represents an appropriate risk for the ups and downs of the banking cycle of Heartland in its current form, we can now arrive at our 'Capitalised Dividend Model' valuation

    (Representative Dividend per Share) / (Acceptable Gross Yield) = Share Price (an algebraic manipulation of: Dividend per Share / Share Price = Yield )

    8.2c / (0.72 x 0.075) = $1.52

    A reminder here that NTA was

    ($654.150m - $73.085m) / 565.430m = $1.03 cps

    at the half year FY2019 balance date. This means my fair valuation is at a good premium (+48%) to asset value.

    This $1.52 valuation is measured at the average point in the business cycle. My rule of thumb is that over the business cycle the actual share price will fluctuate between 80% and 120% of capitalised dividend fair value. This gives a target range of $1.22 to $1.82. $1.41, where the share is trading today, looks a little below fair value. Take off the upcoming 3.5c dividend and we get down to an equivalent $1.375. That is a 10% discount to fair value. I therefore see HGH as worth accumulating at $1.41.

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    discl: New shareholder, in at $1.38
    I also see it at around $1.50 using my peer comparison valuation methodology. 2 Beagles in agreement is not a common thing lol
    With you on this one but good luck with your TRA, (you'll need it)
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    Small but positive.

    https://www.nzx.com/announcements/331285

    Positive close too.
    Last edited by Fred_Rubble; 28-02-2019 at 05:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_Rubble View Post
    Small but positive.

    https://www.nzx.com/announcements/331285

    Positive close too.
    Yup, will be very interesting to see if that holds up today. SP has climbed fairly rapidly from 1.31 on the 15/02 to 1.44 at yesterday's close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtech View Post
    Yup, will be very interesting to see if that holds up today. SP has climbed fairly rapidly from 1.31 on the 15/02 to 1.44 at yesterday's close.

    ...will do ...heading into the 150s

    Was always the time to buy in the low 130s
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