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13-05-2019, 09:53 AM
#14701
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Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Hmm - so Airbus A 350 has more capacity, can fly longer distances and is cheaper. Of course will AIR will pick Boeing in this case
reliability? residual value? passenger capacity? supplier rebates? maintenance costs? pilot & engineer preferences? technology? - could be many other factors to take into consideration......
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13-05-2019, 10:09 AM
#14702
Originally Posted by Filthy
reliability? residual value? passenger capacity? supplier rebates? maintenance costs? pilot & engineer preferences? technology? - could be many other factors to take into consideration......
Yes all these things are no doubt considered, reliability being extremely important. Boeing with Dreamliner (engine) problems and 737 MAX software issues are unlikely to have a high reliability score at the moment.
Quite worrying if true what Benny1 says above that compensation from RR will come in the form of discounts of new engines !! The damage/loss has been done already and RR should be compensating now, not sometime in the future and only IF AIR buys more engines of them.
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13-05-2019, 10:25 AM
#14703
So if true about RR, if they do not pick RR engines for whichever aircraft they decide on, the $40M odd (think it was around that much) will never be recovered??
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13-05-2019, 10:36 AM
#14704
Originally Posted by Jay
So if true about RR, if they do not pick RR engines for whichever aircraft they decide on, the $40M odd (think it was around that much) will never be recovered??
They lease the engines so they can compensate on the current ones hanging off the wing.
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13-05-2019, 10:47 AM
#14705
Originally Posted by 777
Why so bitter and twisted?
When have AirNZ selected the wrong aircraft in the past?
Not so fast - just calling a spade a spade.
Which other airline producer supplied recently new planes with build in crash mechanism - other than Boeing? AIR was just lucky they had no need for the 737 Max 8 - who knows which other bugs Boeing did oversee in their planes?
Why would the software for the other new Boeing planes be any better?
Boeing's processes are clearly not up to scratch - and they didn't even admit their haphazard engineering approach after the first crash but happily allowed another plane to go down and kill its passengers.
Ah yes - and buying Boeings with RR engines was an amazing idea, wasn't it?
Not sure why AIR would pick them, but it clearly can't be with safety, reliability, range or economy in mind.
Last edited by BlackPeter; 13-05-2019 at 10:49 AM.
Reason: removed doubled up argument ...
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13-05-2019, 12:24 PM
#14706
Didn’t an AIR Airbus crash about 10 years killing all aboard.
“ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”
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13-05-2019, 01:13 PM
#14707
Originally Posted by winner69
Didn’t an AIR Airbus crash about 10 years killing all aboard.
Yes it did but was operated by XL airways and about to be handed over the AIR. Caused by human error https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/air-n...crashes-france
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13-05-2019, 03:46 PM
#14708
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Boeing's processes are clearly not up to scratch - and they didn't even admit their haphazard engineering approach after the first crash but happily allowed another plane to go down and kill its passengers.
Ah yes - and buying Boeings with RR engines was an amazing idea, wasn't it?
Not sure why AIR would pick them, but it clearly can't be with safety, reliability, range or economy in mind.
That's right. AirNZ knew that these engines were going to have problems before they actually did have problems but selected them anyway. They should have known better then shouldn't they BP?
Last edited by 777; 13-05-2019 at 03:47 PM.
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13-05-2019, 03:54 PM
#14709
Wikipedia are saying that the A350 Airbus is powered exclusively by the RR Trent 1000 engine,so if they are getting a credit from RR they would have to be looking at the A350?
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13-05-2019, 04:22 PM
#14710
Originally Posted by steveb
Wikipedia are saying that the A350 Airbus is powered exclusively by the RR Trent 1000 engine,so if they are getting a credit from RR they would have to be looking at the A350?
How come these engines didn't make any problems yet on the A350, but the dreamliner turned into a nightmare liner with them?
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