National - FFS!

[Raz]

Agree that ACT will gain from this debacle. Not so sure though, whether this is a good thing for NZ. While I used to support them in the past - I find it really difficult to support them now since they work hard to turn their party into the NZ wing of the NRA.

While I see that there are people who feel that their right to wear semiautomatic weapons is more important than a working democracy, a good health system, tackling climate change, addressing child poverty, improving state education or repairing our justice system (to name just some of the problems we are facing) ... do I fail to understand how anybody can focus in this day and age on the firearm laws (and they clearly don't wont to make the more stringent).

Anyway - ACT lost me ... but I am sure that the bunch of trigger happy gun owners they are now courting will make up for this loss. Pity - no liberal party left in NZ.

There are votes in the gun lobby..they did not like the overreach on pure emotion last year. That group are the most passionate i meet in this country on any issue!

[dobby41]

Better he accepts reality than drag the pain on for everyone.

It is a wonder that the caucus didn't see that at the start.
Poor judgement for all of them.

[dobby41]

He is no politician. And that is a compliment indeed!

Reminds me of David Shearer.
He had the same problem - smart guys but can't manage the politics.

[Sideshow Bob]

Reminds me of David Shearer.
He had the same problem - smart guys but can't manage the politics.

Shearer came across as probably a top guy - just not a (good) politician.

[pierre]

Times like these one has to be grateful we have a three-year election cycle. Another three years of Cindy and Grant will be bad enough - but the thought of another 4 or 5 years would encourage emigration - if there was anywhere safe to go!

[Panda-NZ-]

Bye then and forfeit your right to return when climate change comes knocking. No dual citizenship.

fundamentally we need people who want to be here for the long term, and there are plenty who do at our border even before this crisis. These people will grow NZ not the stale individuals who are sadly averse to change.

[Raz]

Bye then and forfeit your right to return when climate change comes knocking. No dual citizenship.

fundamentally we need people who want to be here for the long term, and there are plenty who do at our border even before this crisis.

Doesn't mean people do not want to be here long term..however things, not in your control, can change everything. Everyone should have a plan B, it personally the responsible thing to do.

[Bjauck]

Toddy has done the right and honorable thing but what has happened points a dagger at the heart of National - they have chosen 2 dud leaders in a row!

Expect ACT to be a huge beneficiary of the debacle - a good thing under the circumstances for NZ.

As for Comrade Cindy & her team of incompetents - NZ will be the biggest loser out of all of this as one can envisage more & bigger disasters ahead from them if they get re-elected as government.

The shambolic disaster which is Kiwibuild is but a foretaste of what Comrade Cindy is about - big promises with zero chance of delivery.

The Comrades and Tories should come together cooperatively for the good of the country as we face the epidemic and depression.

Is that a pig flying?

[Zaphod]

The Comrades and Tories should come together cooperatively for the good of the country as we face the epidemic and depression.

Is that a pig flying?

Have dogs and cats made peace?

[tim23]

Agree National is as shambolic as Labour and definitely not up to par for their high standards. Time for an alternative, ACT or NC possibly.

No - National is shambolic to say they are both shambolic is clearly untrue.