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12-08-2020, 10:31 PM
#5551
Originally Posted by moka
That is not what the majority of New Zealanders think about our leader who is much admired both in New Zealand and globally.
Latest Roy Morgan poll shows PM Jacinda Ardern maintains ‘crushing’ lead over new National leader Judith Collins.
The majority (71.5%) of New Zealand electors (down 0.5% since June) said New Zealand was ‘heading in the right direction’ compared to only 19% (up 0.5%) that said New Zealand was ‘heading in the wrong direction’.
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/1064...-lead-over-new
Hitler was very popular with the German people too, remember? He was such a great and effective leader, wasn't he?
Conclusion : Popularity does not equal good government.
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12-08-2020, 10:35 PM
#5552
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
Yes of course its all a conspiracy, we ve been had! Poor us poor little weak us , wanna be real men
Nope - we just want competent government.
Originally Posted by Balance
And here we are - back to lockdown L3 & L2, with no idea how widespread are the new virus infections.
Billions of dollars spent & economy hammered but :
1. Where is the Effective contact tracing App?
2. Where was the effective testing regime for all those likely to be infected (Air crew, ship crew, quarantine facilities workers, those in contact with returnees) and spread the virus to the wider community?
Would have cost bugger all to implement the simple two measures 1 & 2 but what we have is a CYA government and MOH who have learnt f... all about preventive Covid 19 measures.
The quarantine debacle all over again. Nothing learnt & proactively done until something blows up.
Watch Cindy's team of incompetents at work :
And totally as expected, testing of frontline staff at the border to take place - after communal transmission, not before top prevent the transmission.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...s-to-wear-them
"Hipkins said everyone who worked at the border was now being tested to see where the case may have come from.
The Government aims to have everyone who works at the border and in managed isolation and quarantine facilities tested in 48 hours.
“We want to see all those people tested within the next 48 hours, now there may be some for logistical reasons that don’t get in within that window but certainly we want the vast bulk done within 48 hours,” Hipkins said."
Prevention, Incompetent Hipkins & Comrade 'all style but zero substance ' Cindy, your kindergarten teacher would have told you, is better than cure.
Last edited by Balance; 12-08-2020 at 10:36 PM.
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12-08-2020, 10:43 PM
#5553
Originally Posted by jonu
Judith Collins is casting doubt on when Ardern knew we had a problem. Winnie apparently has said he knew yesterday morning...Ardern reckons she didn't know until 4pm.
On top of that, in the days prior there was suddenly an upsurge in messaging about face masks, an inevitable re-emergence of Covid. Brownlee highlighted this even before the bubble burst. Something stinks.
A timeline for yesterday’s developments showing Jacinda knew at 4pm. If Winston knew earlier provide the link.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12356084
11 August : The test comes back positive. The man is called in for a second test, along with six others in his household.
2.40pm : Counties Manukau DHB chief executive Margie Apa texts Director General of Health Ashley Bloomfield to alert him to a potential case of Covid-19 outside of managed isolation. A Zoom meeting followed with key officials within 10 minutes.
3.15 pm : Bloomfield calls Health Minister Chris Hipkins but does not get through. He texts Hipkins at 3.27pm and they speak by phone at 3.43 pm.
4pm : PM Jacinda Ardern leaves an afternoon tea for the Labour Party at The Grand in Whanganui. She is told of the case by her chief press secretary, Andrew Campbell, in the van.
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12-08-2020, 10:48 PM
#5554
Originally Posted by jonu
Judith Collins is casting doubt on when Ardern knew we had a problem. Winnie apparently has said he knew yesterday morning...Ardern reckons she didn't know until 4pm.
Here is something that Winston actually said.
Deputy Prime Minister Winston this afternoon took aim at Collins for blaming the Government for the new cases.
"That's haphazard and careless and irresponsible and not befitting of someone with legal training and some experience in the law. You get the facts right before you make claims like that."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12355953
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12-08-2020, 10:51 PM
#5555
Originally Posted by moka
Here is something that Winston actually said.
Deputy Prime Minister Winston this afternoon took aim at Collins for blaming the Government for the new cases.
"That's haphazard and careless and irresponsible and not befitting of someone with legal training and some experience in the law. You get the facts right before you make claims like that."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12355953
Quoting the pathological lying Winston of Owen Glenn fame?
You are getting desperate, aren’t you? 🤣
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12-08-2020, 11:03 PM
#5556
Originally Posted by Balance
Hitler was very popular with the German people too, remember? He was such a great and effective leader, wasn't he?
Conclusion : Popularity does not equal good government.
Popularity does not equal good government with Trump. It did with Mandela though.
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13-08-2020, 07:39 AM
#5557
Originally Posted by moka
Popularity does not equal good government with Trump. It did with Mandela though.
Trump is not popular in the Cindy, Chavez, Mao Tze Tung, Hitler or Mandela way. He was elected with less than 50% of the counter votes and never enjoyed approval rating above 50%.
Last edited by Balance; 13-08-2020 at 07:41 AM.
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13-08-2020, 07:45 AM
#5558
Watching TV3, I am very pleased that some in the media have picked up on the gaping hole in our virus border defence - why weren’t ALL quarantine & frontline staff regularly tested?
Can you believe Bloomfield’s answer when he said that they were tested but it was voluntary! WTF!
No wonder we have community transmission - this government y & MOH never learns!
Billions and billions of dollars spent & what have we got? Yet another quarantine type debacle.
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13-08-2020, 07:49 AM
#5559
There was a plan ready to go to deal with a community outbreak. Soz to all those who waited hours for a test yesterday or were turned away because the testing site closed at 4pm.
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13-08-2020, 09:58 AM
#5560
Originally Posted by moka
Popularity does not equal good government with Trump. It did with Mandela though.
Correlation does not imply causation.
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