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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    What a load of rubbish .NZ was a far happier country in those days . Housing was relatively cheap, there were no homeless on the streets, children were better looked after and then came Prebble, Richardson and there ilk.
    Money became the new god, resulting in the unhappy society that is present day NZ.

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    I seem to remember that before "Prebble, Richardson and there (sic) ilk" - came Douglas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    I seem to remember that before "Prebble, Richardson and there (sic) ilk" - came Douglas!
    British "immigrant union stirrer" Pat Kelly could no longer advise his union members to vote Labour because of Douglas! Labourite David Lange described Kelly as "Gaddafi without the ethnic charm"!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/iobitu...ACXMLOOBMANR4/

    I think much of the move to independent contractors to avoid employment law stemmed from about the time of Douglas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    What a load of rubbish .NZ was a far happier country in those days . Housing was relatively cheap, there were no homeless on the streets, children were better looked after and then came Prebble, Richardson and there ilk.
    Money became the new god, resulting in the unhappy society that is present day NZ.

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    A lot happened behind closed doors back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    You forgot to write :

    About Fortress NZ where everything (especially cars, electronics and clothings) was at least twice as expensive as other countries (especially Australia) and quality was crap.

    About the double digit inflation & mortgage rates which priced property out of the reach of the average NZers.

    About the ghettos which sprung up all over NZ, but especially Auckland, to house the homeless and needy.

    About the overstaffing in almost all government & local government departments & enterprises.

    And about the marginalization of Maoris & Pacific Islanders.

    And you forgot to mention how shops were closed for the weekends with one late night.

    Then there was the lousy food, wine and could not care less hospitality service.

    Above all, you forgot to mention NZ was going broke at a very rapid rate.

    Then there's the institutionalised sexual, physical & mental abuse of children in state & faith-based care during the 50s to 80s.

    Shall we continue with the 'happy place' which was NZ back in those days?
    NZ was a dreadful place back then. And it was even difficult to escape for an overseas break with a daily allowance of money we were allowed to take, which barely covered accomodations In a country as exotic as Australia. Never forget having to collect postal orders at one five shilling note per day until you had enough for some restricted import, like a subscription to an overseas magazine. Some will remember having to have overseas funds to buy a new car. Otherwise you had to trade one in to satisfy the dealer, who offered next to nothing for the trade In. If you didn't have a trade in, they would sell you a second hand car, send you off for a drive around the block, and trade it in when you returned. That got around the price controls and regulations. Younger readers will think I'm exaggerating, but I'm not. N Z had one if the most restricted and controlled economic es in the world. It was a horrible little country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    …It was a horrible little country.
    I guess you have to look at the international context of the times. Presumably NZ was more appealing than still war-ravaged and dreary post-war Britain and poor and conservative Ireland - or sufficiently appealing to pay £10 for the trip to the other side of the World and then to decide to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    I guess you have to look at the international context of the times. Presumably NZ was more appealing than still war-ravaged and dreary post-war Britain and poor and conservative Ireland - or sufficiently appealing to pay £10 for the trip to the other side of the World and then to decide to stay.
    Despite how poor they were, they saved the 10 Sovereigns (a fortune for many) and some more, for money when they got here, then they set about making a life for themselves and their families. Did they whine about it, or is that the preogative of the next lot or the lot after that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Despite how poor they were, they saved the 10 Sovereigns (a fortune for many) and some more, for money when they got here, then they set about making a life for themselves and their families. Did they whine about it, or is that the preogative of the next lot or the lot after that?
    They sure as hell moaned. They were well known as the whinging poms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Despite how poor they were, they saved the 10 Sovereigns (a fortune for many) and some more, for money when they got here, then they set about making a life for themselves and their families. Did they whine about it, or is that the prerogative of the next lot or the lot after that?
    Maybe they whinged before they left? Perhaps also they sought a brighter future for their descendants - free to strive for improvement and to express themselves without thought control - Not just to be bricks in the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    They sure as hell moaned. They were well known as the whinging poms.
    All of them? Well known by whom? Were there some hyper-sensitive set-in-their-ways people who did not like criticism? Perhaps those with vested interests did not want fresh blood to influence others and upset their Apple carts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    All of them? Well known by whom? Were there some hyper-sensitive set-in-their-ways people who did not like criticism? Perhaps those with vested interests did not want fresh blood to influence others and upset their Apple carts?
    You obviously don't recall those days, and the armies of 'moaning poms' as they were known, who found their way, mainly into the public service, and certain industries, like the Roslyn Woolen Mills on Dunedin. Seafearers union, boilermakers, steel workers union and so on. They infiltrated the unions and disrupted every industry they could. As a school leaver I worked in a trade where the floor would get messy. No bother to anyone with a brain - just a quick sweep and all was well. Problem was, the minute a union delegate spotted you they would call a stop work meeting, because some whippersnapper was doing a cleaner out of a job. Demarcation they called it. We were supposed to stop doing whatever until we coud find the cleaner, or he founfd us. It was pathetic. Do you not remember Tom Skinner, Pat Kelly, Ken Doughlas, Bill Richards, Jim Knox and the others - frequently on the news causing mayhem. Yes - they were well known and the harm they did to NZs economy, and reputation was immense. I don't know your age, but you obviously weren't working in that period - when no matter what, you were forced to join their horrible unions, and pay fees. If you could be bothered with the rigmarole you could be a conscientous objector - I was - although I still had to donate the equivalent of the union fees to an approved charity. They were thugs and bullies and it took a brave stance to be an objector.
    You should read a bit of history of Trade Unionism in NZ, some of it even interesting like the Trades Hall bombing in 1984, which killed caretaker Ernie Abbot. A horrible period, promoted by scum - to nobodys' benefit.
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