Labour govt 2020-23

[Joshuatree]

Haters are traitors

[Balance]

Haters are traitors

Trump said that.

[Bjauck]

Not dissimilar with whats happening globally.
ie: BBC and Guardian in UK have been heavily funded by Bill Gates. The mind boggles as to what they write in his favour.
The days of undistorted media are history.

What is your source for this information?. As far as I am aware the BBC receives most of its funds from TV licence fees that the public has to pay if they receive TV broadcasts. They receive some money from commercial sales.

The old NZBC used to be funded similarly. The ABC in Oz and CBC in Canada get government money.

[Bjauck]

I find alot of the media and radio blatantly biased against our govt,it's a little embarrassing but they like some on here won't be able to divide this country,changes are coming for all for the better for most.Cant do much about the haters,they've just gotta hate,very sad,no personal growth there but they've gotta own up and take responsibility for that if they want to live with meaning in this one life.

I think the NZ media by and large, and to the extent that they bother with investigative journalism, are critical of the government, no matter how it is comprised. I think that is good for a democracy, considering the parties in government generally get more opportunities to broadcast and pronounce on their policies.

[ynot]

What is your source for this information?. As far as I am aware the BBC receives most of its funds from TV licence fees that the public has to pay if they receive TV broadcasts. They receive some money from commercial sales.

The old NZBC used to be funded similarly. The ABC in Oz and CBC in Canada get government money.

follow the link in the article to gates website.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/...-away-with-it/

[Bjauck]

follow the link in the article to gates website.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/...-away-with-it/

I think you are referring to the BBC Media Action charity. The governments of the UK, Norway, Sweden, United Nations and EU are far bigger donors to that charity.

As for The Gates donations to the Guardian, their foundation also donated to the Telegraph Newspaper and to the London Standard. They are both Right Wing papers and occupy a far different location on the political spectrum. The donations were to assist scientific and medical journalism.

I do not think that media is any more distorted than it has been throughout history. In fact in many countries I think funding of media is more transparent.

BBC Media Action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/where-we-work

[Zaphod]

to the extent that they bother with investigative journalism

There in lies the issue I have with the current media outlets, that there is very little true in-depth investigative journalism. Instead we receive numerous shallow and fluffy feel good-articles, which perhaps reflects the preference of modern society boosted by social media.

[ynot]

I think you are referring to the BBC Media Action charity. The governments of the UK, Norway, Sweden, United Nations and EU are far bigger donors to that charity.

As for The Gates donations to the Guardian, their foundation also donated to the Telegraph Newspaper and to the London Standard. They are both Right Wing papers and occupy a far different location on the political spectrum. The donations were to assist scientific and medical journalism.

I do not think that media is any more distorted than it has been throughout history. In fact in many countries I think funding of media is more transparent.

BBC Media Action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/where-we-work

This is where you and I differ then.
I dont think it has ever been more distorted than it is today.
Bill Gates immense wealth and power being my best example.

[BlackPeter]

And how hard are these private entities going to bite the hand that feeds them? Is it a coincidence that both Stuff and the Herald both now have specialised Maori Issues sections? Stuff are currently are running propaganda on both Covid and Climate Change as well. They regularly run "explainer" pieces which suit Ardern's position very well. Only now the Minister for Propaganda's name isn't Joseph Goebbels, it's Jacinda Ardern.

But everything is OK. Cindy is keeping you safe. She's spending your grandchildren's tax dollars, but you'll be safe and warm....cosy. Sleep well.

Disgusting but educational post. You manage to summarize basically everything what is wrong with the extreme right and dumb. On the other hand - views like this will make sure that the majority will keep voting left wing parties given that National does not seem to have enough spine to keep racists , antivaxxers and climate change deniers at bay.

What exactly is wrong with the press using a science based approach when reporting on Covid and climate change? Do you want them to report instead on the views of hundreds of inconsistent believes and conspiracy theories?

Not sure either what's wrong with a Maori section in the paper either. Aren't you propagating the right for free speech every time you spread your conspiracy theories?

Oh, you mean you only support free speech if you like it - and free press is for you only press touting around the sickening believes of one particular (well, your) bubble?

Sad.

[BlackPeter]

Simple. BP has increasingly shown support for the cancel culture and banning of free speech and debate. Should be of no surprise that he puts posters with alternative views on an "ignore list". Why would you come to a thread of political debate and then ban opposing views.

Pretty sad post.

In general I am setting posters on the ignore list if they are repeatedly parroting conspiracy theories or self evident lies (like climate change deniers, anti vaxers, flat earth believers, Trumpistas). If posters demonstrate consistently bad judgement by repeating self evident lies - what is the point of debating with them?

I am as well putting people on ignore when they start to play the player, not the ball. This are posters who know that they lost the argument. Anybody decent would admit that (or just shut up), but they try to score by running personal attacks. Life is too short to continue arguing with them.

Obviously - I don't "ban" people. This is the prerogative of the moderator. Why are you posting such a nonsense?

BTW - you are getting close to move on the ignore list as well. I am disappointed by your post and would not have expected to see you making personal attacks, but hey - I am always learning. :