Labour govt 2020-23

[ynot]

Totally agree. This left govt are behind the 8 ball yet again.
They lack the spine to tackle this issue as we can't been seen to be being discriminatory against any minority group. Must show compassion and kindness to all, even at the expense of our citizens lives .You want to live in our country then live by our rules, or get back to where you came from.

What I do not understand is that it has reported this idiot came to NZ in 2011 on a student visa. How could he then 2 years later apply for a refugee status and how come our laws are so slack that it takes years to cancel their refugee status and deport them, despite the person being a known serious threat that has been open about his intention to kill Kiwis ? There is something seriously wrong with our laws and it's beyond belief that this has been known for several years but not fixed.

I commend the police for the very quick reaction and good result from their action. They must be very frustrated having to work with laws like this.[/QUOTE]

The mindset of this woke government it whats wrong here.
The facts surrounding this individual were obvious but their logic over rode their actions.

"with a view to giving the remaining aspects of his sentence of supervision an opportunity to succeed, and therefore to rehabilitate the defendant"

[Bjauck]

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The mindset of this woke government it whats wrong here.
The facts surrounding this individual were obvious but their logic over rode their actions.

"with a view to giving the remaining aspects of his sentence of supervision an opportunity to succeed, and therefore to rehabilitate the defendant"

The government had been trying to remove this person from being a threat. However it is bound by the due process of law. It is the shonky legislation and process that is at fault. It seems that the supposed threat to a deportee in their country of origin has somehow become more of an overriding concern that the threat they pose to people in NZ.

In 2011 this person entered NZ on a study visa. In 2013 they got refugee status despite Immigration NZ opposition. In 2016 the terrorist and their fraud came to the attention of the police and NZSIS. This all occurred under John Key's government.

[ynot]

The government had been trying to remove this person from being a threat. However it is bound by the due process of law. It is the shonky legislation and process that is at fault. It seems that the supposed threat to a deportee in their country of origin has somehow become more of an overriding concern that the threat they pose to people in NZ.

In 2011 this person entered NZ on a study visa. In 2013 they got refugee status despite Immigration NZ opposition. In 2016 the terrorist and their fraud came to the attention of the police and NZSIS. This all occurred under John Key's government.

Labour have been in power for years. Plenty of time to sort this out had they had the guts.
"KINDNESS BLINDNESS"

[Getty]

No doubt the lawyers who milked the cash cow terrorist for all it was worth over the last 5 years, all at the expense of NZ taxpayers, will be sleeping well for what they achieved for justice and humanity?.

[artemis]

Labour have been in power for years. Plenty of time to sort this out had they had the guts.
"KINDNESS BLINDNESS"

Absolute majority for nearly a year. Sounds like a lot of process (ie talk), not very urgent then.

[Logen Ninefingers]

When the Sri Lankan man wanted to go to Syria, why didn’t we let him? Apparently it’s not an offence here to plan a terrorist act, so whatever he plans and gets up to in Syria is his own business. Let Sri Lanka and Syria sort it out between them. Until he picked up a gun or knife in Syria he was apparently doing nothing wrong.

We are living in a mad house here. We’ll stop a Sri Lankan man from going to Syria to fight for ISIS, and then we’ll allow him to roam about in the NZ community where he can wreak bloody havoc in NZers.

How many genuine refugees are willing to quit their place of refuge at the drop of a hat to go fight for ISIS in some part of the world? If an NZ judge can’t see something which is as plain as the nose in your face then they shouldn’t be a judge - it’s that simple.

I’ve read today that authorities did nothing about detaining this man under mental health laws. We had a very disturbed individual who had apparently been tortured in Sri Lanka and who was watching sick videos of ISIS killings - including burnings and decapitations - and it never occurred to the authorities that he might have had a screw loose and require extensive physciatric evaluation. We’ve been failed again by the same weakness and incompetence which we’ve seen time and time again.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Adern again using the phrase ‘forgive me’ over and over again when taking to journalists at a press conference. She first used the phrase after the outbreak in Auckland on at least 3 occasions at one press conference (“forgive me, let me get that information for you”), and then again at the stand up with Coster after the terrorist rampage.

Would not be surprised if this communications expert with her army of spin doctors is using these press conferences to seed that message into the public consciousness i.e. forgive her for her governments failures, flush the dunny, & continue the adoration.

[Logen Ninefingers]

If this guy was in NZ as a refugee - he was granted refugee status in 2013 - because he was in danger from the Sri Lankan authorities....then what on earth was he doing back in Sri Lanka in 2016?!?!?!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...ATPEO5NP6PEWA/

‘His mother, Ismail Fareeda, has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall in Sri Lanka in 2016’

[jonu]

If this guy was in NZ as a refugee - he was granted refugee status in 2013 - because he was in danger from the Sri Lankan authorities....then what on earth was he doing back in Sri Lanka in 2016?!?!?!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...ATPEO5NP6PEWA/

‘His mother, Ismail Fareeda, has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall in Sri Lanka in 2016’

I share a number of your concerns Logen....but for your own well being....take a break. Get outside if you can and enjoy the day. This BS will still be here to address after you have refreshed yourself.

[Blue Skies]

Labour have been in power for years. Plenty of time to sort this out had they had the guts.
"KINDNESS BLINDNESS"

Reading some of the posts here, you would think it is so simple.
Understandable responses to an appallingly brutal act, but just think worth raising a few points before we rush, as some are, to angrily condemn the Police & the PM & the govt & Judith Collins & anybody else.

Writing into law, statutes which capture someone for their thoughts of doing something illegal but hasn't actually done anything ( & remember this guy had no plan, no co-conspirators) and doesn't capture or round up a whole bunch of basically innocent citizens who might think of doing some minor transgression or prank & then change their mind & not do anything, is not as simple as it sounds!

In the rush to write new terrorist laws after this attack, we will be granting the State considerable new powers over citizens, basically the right to prosecute & throw someone in jail for their thoughts (even before they've done anything).

What about the deeply disturbed or mentally ill person having irrational thoughts but actually needs help.

Also it's well recognised some sick individuals crave the attention & infamy being tried under terrorist laws would bring them, giving some lowlife nobody a huge platform & newfound reach to preach their sick views. (That's why the PM & others will never mention the name of the CHC individual ). This being a big downside of new laws.

Then there's the sentencing problem, how do you write sentencing guidelines i.e. how long a prison sentence for this thought compared to that thought.

I think possibly this is why even Judith Collins as Justice Minister removed a review of counter-terrorsim laws from the Law Commissions work program in 2013.

I think this guy should/could have been held under the existing Mental Health Act, but for some reason wasn't.
Having been granted Refugee status way back, it was incredibly hard for Immigration to get rid of him & kick him out of the country.

New laws will be rushed through now (which I thoroughly agree with) as there is the political will from both sides of the House, no party wants to be seen to be soft after this brutal tragedy, but its not a simple as it sounds, and there will be resistance from those concerned about infringements of civil rights, and growth of state control (another reasons why its taken so long).