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**winner69** · 25-11-2021, 05:51 AM

Whose this Erica punters talking about as leader of Nats

**Blue Skies** · 25-11-2021, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by winner69

Whose this Erica punters talking about as leader of Nats

Erica Stanford, MP for East Coast Bays (Auckland).
Sounds like a better fit for Labour than National, progressive, liberal on social issues, supported school student protests on climate change going against then leader Simon Bridges & other MP's stance, believes National could work with the Greens. On good terms with people like Chloe Swarbrick & Kiritapu Allen.
Erica a liberal compared to conservatives both Simon Bridges and Chris Luxon.
Sometimes described as lacking warmth, a reserved personality could be a drawback.

**iceman** · 25-11-2021, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Blue Skies

Erica Stanford, MP for East Coast Bays (Auckland).
Sounds like a better fit for Labour than National, progressive, liberal on social issues, supported school student protests on climate change going against then leader Simon Bridges & other MP's stance, believes National could work with the Greens. On good terms with people like Chloe Swarbrick & Kiritapu Allen.
Erica a liberal compared to conservatives both Simon Bridges and Chris Luxon.
Sometimes described as lacking warmth, a reserved personality could be a drawback.

Or could be a calculated move to keep her head down and let her work do the talking. She's been hardworking and done a great job on immigration. I have no doubt that she SHOULD be a senior part of the team that SHOULD replace Collins very soon. Collins is toast after this latest stupid move

**winner69** · 25-11-2021, 07:10 AM

Would Erica and Chris make a good team even though many say Simon and Erica

Surely Simon is so toxic somebody needs to tell him to piss off for good

**fungus pudding** · 25-11-2021, 07:32 AM

Collins has to go - and I wonder sbout the other MP that overheard Bridges 'offensive' remarks. Have these women lived unde a rock all their lives. You could wander into any workplace - any day of the week and hear far more offensive remarks that what Bridges said. It was along the lines of his advice on how to have a daughter as opposed to a son. 'Go shallow' was his advice. Is blue humour toatally dead?

**Blue Skies** · 25-11-2021, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by winner69

Would Erica and Chris make a good team even though many say Simon and Erica

Surely Simon is so toxic somebody needs to tell him to piss off for good

Just heard Soper on ZB saying in all his years, he's never seen anything so feral in the Nat's.

Both Collins & Bridges are constituent MP's so neither going anywhere after the smoke clears.
Collins likely to receive a vote of no confidence from caucus & lose leadership by end of the day.
Possibility, Mark Mitchell will be new leader.

The 'offensive' comment Bridges made was not directed at Jaquie Dean & was so mild (she would be crazy to turn up with Collins at 10am news brief ) its ridiculous.
Bridges was chatting to 2 other MP's at a function when she walked past & overheard him say he and his wife Natalie were aiming for a girl for their next child, & the idea is to go shallow. A bit crude but hardly that unusual.
For Collins to frame this as harassment & intimidation is beyond belief & that Jaquie Dean has held on to a grievance about this for the last 5 years! What a snowflake.

**iceman** · 25-11-2021, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by winner69

Would Erica and Chris make a good team even though many say Simon and Erica

Surely Simon is so toxic somebody needs to tell him to piss off for good

I think Chris needs to step up and challenge for the leadership with Erica as his deputy and make sure the front bench includes liberal MPs such as Nicola Willis & Chris Bishop in prominent roles. Give Bridges Foreign Affairs.

**BlackPeter** · 25-11-2021, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Blue Skies

Just heard Soper on ZB saying in all his years, he's never seen anything so feral in the Nat's.

Both Collins & Bridges are constituent MP's so neither going anywhere after the smoke clears.
Collins likely to receive a vote of no confidence from caucus & lose leadership by end of the day.
Possibility, Mark Mitchell will be new leader.

The 'offensive' comment Bridges made was not directed at Jaquie Dean & was so mild (she would be crazy to turn up with Collins at 10am news brief ) its ridiculous.
Bridges was chatting to 2 other MP's at a function when she walked past & overheard him say he and his wife Natalie were aiming for a girl for their next child, & the idea is to go shallow. A bit crude but hardly that unusual.
For Collins to frame this as harassment & intimidation is beyond belief & that Jaquie Dean has held on to a grievance about this for the last 5 years! What a snowflake.

Well, it appears Collins clearly has studied and assumed Machiavelli's philosophies including his mean streak. Pity though that she is lacking his intelligence.

I recon being nasty and dumb might not be good enough to stay leader of National.

Pretty sad to watch Labour locking us up for another year and the best thing the Leader of the opposition can do during this time is dismantling her party!