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26-11-2021, 10:55 AM
#15381
Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers
I vote for parties that believe in private property rights, individual freedoms, the maintenance of law and order, and the limiting of state intrusion in peoples lives.
I cannot in good conscience vote for parties that believe in ever increasing socialism and state control & the undermining of the current system, as that eventually leads to revolution, anarchy, and the implementation of totalitarian regimes.
Therefore I have no other option than to vote as I do, and I can't see that changing. I equate 'swinging voters' with people who are unsure as to what their views and opinions are and who are constantly vacillating on what they stand for and who they support. 'Swinging' is probably the right name for them, as it is word redolendent with free and easy people of questionable morals who can't decide what they support.
I'm sure there are a ton of NZ'ers of the 'I have always voted Labour,,,,,' variety or 'Our family have always been National supporters' types who didn't even notice Muldoon dragged national into the economic left until Lange/Douglas took it to the economic right. Looking at the electorates at the time the voters followed 'their party' - totally overlooking the policies. IOW the astute voter had to become a swinging voter.
To illustrate my point about voting against the unwanted party:
In 1984 the once popular Muldoon was dumped at the election - not because Nat voters stayed home. They voted Labour to keep Muldoon out.
Last edited by fungus pudding; 26-11-2021 at 11:17 AM.
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26-11-2021, 10:59 AM
#15382
Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers
I vote for parties that believe in private property rights, individual freedoms, the maintenance of law and order, and the limiting of state intrusion in peoples lives.
I vote for competent govts.
Well, in comparison to what otherwise could be (only a few choices are offered).
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26-11-2021, 11:01 AM
#15383
Just a few thoughts.
Party's need to avoid giving voters reasons not to vote for them, just as much as reasons to vote for them, it shrinks the pool of potential supporters.
The glaring problem National face with Luxon is in modern liberal urban NZ, there's a lot of women, younger voters, urban liberal voters, etc,
who won't vote for National if Luxon is leader, because of his anti abortion, anti euthanasia, anti gay marriage, anti- drug reform (marijuana) stances.
For a lot on Kiwi's in 2021, regardless of his capabilities, that's not something they will accept in a prime minister.
Separating his evangelical Christianity beliefs from politics might work as a backbencher, but not as the leader in terms of the public.
Of course the conservatives in caucus (& there's a few of them, strongly religious etc) are not going to see this as a problem.
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26-11-2021, 11:09 AM
#15384
Originally Posted by Blue Skies
Just a few thoughts.
Party's need to avoid giving voters reasons not to vote for them, just as much as reasons to vote for them, it shrinks the pool of potential supporters.
The glaring problem National face with Luxon is in modern liberal urban NZ, there's a lot of women, younger voters, urban liberal voters, etc,
who won't vote for National if Luxon is leader, because of his anti abortion, anti euthanasia, anti gay marriage, anti- drug reform (marijuana) stances.
Then again there are plenty who would vote for him because of those things too.
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26-11-2021, 11:15 AM
#15385
"As about exciting as the Taihape Public toilets." Pundits brutal assessment of Nats leader candidates.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/national-leadership-pundits-brutal-assessments-of-candidates-shock-at-judith-collins-attempt-to-destroy-simon-bridges.html
Described as "absolutely unproven" and "as about as exciting as the Taihape public toilets", Christopher Luxon still has a way to go to prove he could be a successful National leader, two political commentators say.
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26-11-2021, 11:22 AM
#15386
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
Then again there are plenty who would vote for him because of those things too.
Sure there will be people who would vote for him because of those deeply conservative attitudes, Christian conservative parties can get around 5 -8% of the vote,
but National need to get close to 40% of the vote.
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26-11-2021, 11:27 AM
#15387
Originally Posted by Blue Skies
For a lot on Kiwi's in 2021, regardless of his capabilities, that's not something they will accept in a prime minister.
Separating his evangelical Christianity beliefs from politics might work as a backbencher, but not as the leader in terms of the public.
Of course the conservatives in caucus (& there's a few of them, strongly religious etc) are not going to see this as a problem.
They have enough to start their own church .
Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 26-11-2021 at 11:45 AM.
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26-11-2021, 11:27 AM
#15388
Originally Posted by Panda-NZ-
I vote for competent govts.
We don't know how competent National will be with so many changes since they last governed.
We do know Labour are totally incompetent.
None of the minor parties are likely to gain enough to be a major influence in the next term.
So your only hope is to take a punt on National.
Last edited by fungus pudding; 26-11-2021 at 11:28 AM.
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26-11-2021, 11:32 AM
#15389
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
We don't know how competent National will be with so many changes since they last governed.
They can't even run themselves (an easy job).
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26-11-2021, 11:35 AM
#15390
Possibly an incoming National govts new set of priorities:
Introducing new christian sharia laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvhnRZsv4Q4
Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 26-11-2021 at 12:15 PM.
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