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01-02-2023, 08:15 AM
#121
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
They were the beneficiaries of their own efforts and dilligence. Their financial rewards were achieved in spite of the Govt.
There are some people who are unintentionally wealthy, not through extra hard work or business investment. For example the ordinary purchaser of place for their family in (what is now) inner Auckland in the 1960's is now wealthy. Through government policy on immigration, tax, interest rates, risky lending, and lack of policy on pension provision, intensification and providing land for the population surge, that purchaser is now very wealthy.
Last edited by Bjauck; 01-02-2023 at 08:17 AM.
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01-02-2023, 08:25 AM
#122
Originally Posted by iceman
And most of the time the very same posters saying it's "not ok" are regularly making personally derogatory comments about Chris Luxon. Talk about rocks and glass houses.
That's the whole point. Misogynistic if the left gets attacked, all ok if the left are doing the attacking.
If calling Ardern, Cindy or Cinders, is misogynistic. Well that's fine, I will continue calling her that and just be a misogynist.
(that label gets thrown around so much these days, it has lost it's relevance and has become impotent)
Last edited by blackcap; 01-02-2023 at 08:26 AM.
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01-02-2023, 08:43 AM
#123
Originally Posted by blackcap
That's the whole point. Misogynistic if the left gets attacked, all ok if the left are doing the attacking.
If calling Ardern, Cindy or Cinders, is misogynistic. Well that's fine, I will continue calling her that and just be a misogynist.
(that label gets thrown around so much these days, it has lost it's relevance and has become impotent)
I doubt that calling her Cindy alone is misogynist. Here is an old article about the misogynism Ardern and others have faced. I'm surprised that some doubt that there is extra misgynist abuse that women face. They aren't all women on the political left either.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...security-issue
Another article about Shipley's and Clark's experiences.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/helen-...YY3FVFHPPU5CE/
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01-02-2023, 08:51 AM
#124
Originally Posted by Bjauck
There are some people who are unintentionally wealthy, not through extra hard work or business investment. For example the ordinary purchaser of place for their family in (what is now) inner Auckland in the 1960's is now wealthy. Through government policy on immigration, tax, interest rates, risky lending, and lack of policy on pension provision, intensification and providing land for the population surge, that purchaser is now very wealthy.
So how much money do you consider makes you wealthy?
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01-02-2023, 10:07 AM
#125
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
So how much money do you consider makes you wealthy?
By definition, those who are wealthier would have wealth exceeding the median for all adults in NZ. You may or may not wish to factor in age.
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01-02-2023, 10:11 AM
#126
Originally Posted by Bjauck
I'm sure male politicians don't get attacked. As I have said before, it's got nothing to do with the gender of the person, but everything with the position they occupy.
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01-02-2023, 10:25 AM
#127
For FP:
NZ individual Wealth in 2021 according to Credit Suisse:
Average for adult: 834k NZD
Median/adult. : 408K NZD
On a global scale NZ land values are highly inflated, consequently most NZers are “wealthy”.
However within NZ, in 2021 a wealthier NZ person has assets worth over 408k
As wealth distribution in NZ is so uneven thanks to inflated land values, the average is over twice the median. So a “wealthy” person would have net assets worth over $834k.
https://www.mpamag.com/nz/news/gener...res-why/422802
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01-02-2023, 10:30 AM
#128
Originally Posted by blackcap
I'm sure male politicians don't get attacked. As I have said before, it's got nothing to do with the gender of the person, but everything with the position they occupy.
…..and senior females in a senior position are much more of a target than a male in such a position…so it is to do both with their position in addition to a factor that they are female.
The research indicates women cop significantly more abuse than men in similar positions.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the...et-worse-abuse
Last edited by Bjauck; 01-02-2023 at 11:21 AM.
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01-02-2023, 10:41 AM
#129
Originally Posted by Bjauck
For FP:
NZ individual Wealth in 2021 according to Credit Suisse:
Average for adult: 834k NZD
Median/adult. : 408K NZD
On a global scale NZ land values are highly inflated, consequently most NZers are “wealthy”.
However within NZ, in 2021 a wealthier NZ person has assets worth over 408k
As wealth distribution in NZ is so uneven thanks to inflated land values, the average is over twice the median. So a “wealthy” person would have net assets worth over $834k.
https://www.mpamag.com/nz/news/gener...res-why/422802
That is plainly reidiculous. I would consider around 1.5 mill (including personal residence) to be comfortable, but certainly not wealthy. Around 4mii plus you are 'well off' but you'd need an absolute minimum of 5 mill to be wealthy in my eyes.
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01-02-2023, 11:19 AM
#130
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
That is plainly reidiculous. I would consider around 1.5 mill (including personal residence) to be comfortable, but certainly not wealthy. Around 4mii plus you are 'well off' but you'd need an absolute minimum of 5 mill to be wealthy in my eyes.
Wealth is relative. 1.5m including a reasonable sized residence in a reasonable area would not be comfortable in Auckland, whereas in Invercargill it may well be. Obviously for an oldie who has experienced decades of a leveraged 3 bedroom plus garden house equity value appreciation in inner Auckland could expect the wealth generated from their house alone to be well above average.
Last edited by Bjauck; 01-02-2023 at 11:22 AM.
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