Yeah but traditionally we did do a fair bit better than we are now. It has irked me for quite some time that the current party in power were so vocal in opposition, so morally offended by the govt of the time, yet have no actual standards of their own. Yet the nats by and large have given them a pass on so many things that annoy the crap out of me that I have lost count. The only one who has an actual opinion backed with common sense is David Seymor, who has less chance of having an impact than Winstone. The world we live in.