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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    TRA outstanding value - I hope so as put heaps of faith in you all, against my better judgement

    But ‘investing’ in shares is akin to punting / gambling so why not take the odd punt and follow the tipsters like you get with modern day versions of Best Bets
    Do your own research.
    Then no need to gamble,or blame others.
    I do,and the more research I do,the better my results I get.
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    Depth looks promising ...probably an up day today
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    TRA just can't seem to get out of first gear ....at least it's not in reverse anymore

    I'll still get this 5 cent divie won't I if I hold a bit longer?
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Where do all these small trades come from

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainey View Post
    Where do all these small trades come from
    Its W69 robot.It keeps changing its mind.Buys one minute,then sells.Very undecided.!..lol.
    Last edited by percy; 12-06-2018 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainey View Post
    Where do all these small trades come from
    Some robot that decided to sell me a few more at $3.01. PS-Im hoping it changes down a gear or two to under $3.
    Last edited by couta1; 12-06-2018 at 05:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Its W69 robot.It keeps changing its mind.Buys one minute,then sells.Very undecided.!..lol.
    No way mate ...either in or out

    Anyway waiting for that divie .....that’ll be good ....as long as the price doesn’t drop more than 5 cents afterwards. That would be a bugger
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    No way mate ...either in or out

    Anyway waiting for that divie .....that’ll be good ....as long as the price doesn’t drop more than 5 cents afterwards. That would be a bugger
    Every three months TRA pay a fully imputed divie.


    ps.And they keep increasing them.
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    Default Normalised Five Year Earnings History: 2018 perspective

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    Five Year History of Turners Limited: Operational NPAT

    FY2012 FY2013 FY2014 FY2015 FY2016
    EBIT (Turners Auctions :TUA) $7.342m $7.948m $9.117m
    less TUA Liabilities x TNR Interest $33.272m x 0.12 = ($3.993m) $36.423m x 0.098 = ($3.570m) $45.634 x 0.151= ($6.891m)
    equals EBT (Turners Auctions) $3.955m $4.378m $2.226m
    add EBT (Dorchester) ($1.543m) ($0.133m) $4.892m
    EBIT (Turners Limited) $26.387m $32.987m
    EBIT (Turners Auctions) $5.829m(*)
    add back Turners Auctions acquisition costs $0.675m
    Interest Expense (Turners Limited) ($7.381m) ($11.436m)
    less tax paid equity accounted TUA income ($0.721m) ($0.742m)
    less one off paper gain self-caused by TUA takeover ($7.098m)
    equals EBT (DPC+TUA) $2.412m $4.245m $6.397m $17.670m $21.551m
    less tax at 28% ($0.675m) ($1.189m) ($1.791m) ($4.948m) ($6.034m)
    equals NPAT (DPC+TUA) $1.737m $3.056m $4.606m $12.722m $15.517m



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    (*) 'Turners Auctions' was absorbed into 'Turners Limited' on 20th November 2014. This was during the FY2015 Turners Limited financial year which ended on 31st March 2015. Turners Limited FY2015 contained 365 days. For 234 of those days from 1st April 2014, 'Turners Auctions' was an equity accounted investment. Note 18 in Turners Limited AR2015 shows an equity accounted contribution to profit of $0.742m up until 20-11-2014. If we annualise this contribution, assuming a constant earnings rate throughout the year, then we get an annual earnings contribution from this 19.85% strategic stake in TUA of:

    $0.742 x 365/234 = $1.157m (EBIT) for that 19.85% stake

    This means that 100% of TUA must be making an EBIT of:

    $1.157m / 0.1985 = $5.829m
    FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018
    EBIT (Turners Auctions :TUA) $9.117m
    less TUA Liabilities x TNR Interest $45.634 x 0.151= ($6.891m)
    equals EBT (Turners Auctions) $2.226m
    add EBT (Dorchester) $4.892m
    EBIT (Turners Automotive Group) $25.645m $32.987m $35.981m $45.477m
    EBIT (Turners Auctions) $5.829m(*)
    add back Turners Auctions acquisition costs $0.675m
    Interest Expense (Turners Automotive Group) ($7.381m) ($11.436m) ($11.350m) ($14.344m)
    less tax paid equity accounted TUA income ($0.721m) ($0.742m)
    less foreign exchange gain ($1.087m)
    less one off paper gain self-caused by TUA takeover ($7.058m)
    less revaluation gain on investments and PPE sale ($0.010m) ($0.270m) ($1.313m) ($1.000m) (e)
    equals EBT (DPC+TUA) $5.310m $16.958m $21.281m $23.318m $30.133m
    less tax at 28% ($1.487m) ($4.748m) ($5.949m) ($6.529m) ($8.437m)
    equals NPAT (DPC+TUA) $3.823m $12.210m $15.332m $16.789m $21.696m

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    Notes

    1/ (*) 'Turners Auctions' was absorbed into 'Turners Limited' on 20th November 2014. This was during the FY2015 Turners Limited financial year which ended on 31st March 2015. Turners Limited FY2015 contained 365 days. For 234 of those days from 1st April 2014, 'Turners Auctions' was an equity accounted investment. Note 18 in Turners Limited AR2015 shows an equity accounted contribution to profit of $0.742m up until 20-11-2014. If we annualise this contribution, assuming a constant earnings rate throughout the year, then we get an annual earnings contribution from this 19.85% strategic stake in TUA of:

    $0.742 x 365/234 = $1.157m (EBIT) for that 19.85% stake

    This means that 100% of TUA must be making an EBIT of:

    $1.157m / 0.1985 = $5.829m

    2/ Eagle eyed table readers will notice that I have moved the one off gain from the full takeover of Turners Auctions in FY2015 from being a taxable to a non-taxable gain.

    3/ (e) is a preliminary estimate

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    Default Normalised Five Year EPS History: 2018 perspective

    FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018
    NPAT {A} $3.823m $12.210m $15.332m $16.789m $21.696m
    Shares on Issue EOFY{B} 55.966m 63.077m 63.432m 74.524m 84.803m
    Earnings Per Share {A}/{B} 6.8cps 19.4cps 24.2cps 22.5cps 25.6cps

    In the past I have used a capitalised dividend valuation method to value TRA. However, given the strong retained earnings element within Turners Automotive Group, I now consider this method sub-optimal in terms of assessing the value of the company. Instead I will look to do a capitalized earnings valuation, based on the above data.

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