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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    It hardly matters if Biden achieves anything else, but lets not forget his greatest achievement & I mean this sincerely & one for which the world should be forever grateful to Biden esp at his age, was blocking Trump from a second term. (Biden was the oldest person to become President at 78 & will be 80 in less than 2 weeks time, 20th Nov ).
    I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.
    Correct. I think the results from the midterm election show loud and clear that most people have had enough of Trump's antics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

    A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
    Might modify your opinion.


    In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
    Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
    But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
    That's no trivial achievement.

    Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
    Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/o...zer/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
    Might modify your opinion.


    In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
    Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
    But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
    That's no trivial achievement.

    Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
    Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/o...zer/index.html
    Defeating someone as polarising and loathed as Trump is hardly an accomplishment. I've said it repeatedly; the fact that the US system can come up with such terrible nominees from both sides shows something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Most likely far too much corporate influence on both sides.

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