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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    Once you've had one referendum on something, it's not too big an ask to have another, and then another, and then. . .
    On reflection, you are right. Referendums can be manipulated and have been known to come up with crazy results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Three waters.
    N Z Police.
    AUT mess.
    Nursing problems.
    Hospital waiting lists.
    Ram raids.
    Doctor and medical staff shortage.
    RSE workers.
    NZTA.
    School teacher shortage.
    Covid lock down.
    Housing shortages.
    Justice department issues.
    Three strikes legislation.
    Mid wives dissatisfaction
    ACC.
    Maorification of N Z .
    Honesty.
    Worker shortage .
    Immigration service
    Fart tax.


    Many more , please add !

    Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?
    Consultancy wastage/over use .

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Three waters.
    N Z Police.
    AUT mess.
    Nursing problems.
    Hospital waiting lists.
    Ram raids.
    Doctor and medical staff shortage.
    RSE workers.
    NZTA.
    School teacher shortage.
    Covid lock down.
    Housing shortages.
    Justice department issues.
    Three strikes legislation.
    Mid wives dissatisfaction
    ACC.
    Maorification of N Z .
    Honesty.
    Worker shortage .
    Immigration service
    Fart tax.
    N Z Fire Service.

    Many more , please add !

    Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?
    Carbon tax and industry coming out of that unfairness towards farmers.

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    If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

    While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
    6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations
    Last edited by Blue Skies; 15-10-2022 at 07:34 AM.

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    They also handed over some prisons to the UK private company Serco which was so poorly run that it became a taxpayer funded fight club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

    While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
    6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations
    Desperate stuff from Ardern & BS - to blame the previous government after 5 years in power for the explosive increase in crime.

    Let's see how Ardern & Labour promoted crime in the last 5 years by being soft on crime :

    1. Remember how concerned and frightened Aucklanders were told to ring crime stopper when they heard gun fire and shootings? Crimestopper! You cannot make the stuff up!

    2. Then when the police wanted to be armed more often while patrolling well know crime areas like South Auckland, the reply was no as the police minister was more concerned about Labour’s voters there than the safety & effectiveness of the police.

    “I’m not giving the them the time of day. I’m talking about the communities I represent - which is the Māori and Pacific communities - who told me loud and clear the general arming of police and especially the ARTs are a real concern to them.” Poto Williams, Police Minister

    And don’t ever forget how this Ardern government prioritises anti-social & criminal elements over law abiding citizens :

    3. No eviction policy of Housing NZ resulting in criminal activities of thuggery, victimisation and intimidation of other tenants and neighbours.

    4. Ministers hobnobbing with Maori gangs, legitimising their criminal activities.

    5. Handing over monies to gangs for all sort of activities, including for changing Tattoos from NZ to Aotearoa and for drug courses so they become better drug peddlers.

    6. Police harassing law abiding citizens at pandemic roadblocks while closing both eyes and allowing convoys of gangs and thugs through.

    7. Siding with prisoners rather than with prison officers - resulting in manning crises in prisons.

    8. Reorganising Child Welfare agencies so that young criminals run riot out there with minimal supervision.

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    And don't forget Ardern's answer to ram raids by young thugs and criminals - $6m ram raid fund (yes, a miserly $6m vs $56m wasted on Auckland bike bridge & $30m 'cost of living' monies given to overseas recipients).

    But months after the fund was promised, not a cent has been paid out to provide protection!

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...emains-unspent

    "But in an Official Information Act response, received on Thursday, prevention, innovation and change director Mere Wilson Tuala-Fata said: "No money has been paid out of this fund yet".

    All talk and no action.

    All spin and no delivery.

    Labour & Ardern = Pro Crime & Soft on Crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

    While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
    6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations
    THIRTY!!!!!!

    Now there's an emotive number of closures to talk about.

    Or just a sensational headline?

    Reading the listed closures one by one, most are just relocations, several still in the same street.

    The Hastings example was not a police station at all, but an admin office, within 200 metres of the actual station, and courthouse.

    Two Pike River offices were never meant to be permanent, or match the publics perception of what a police station is.

    Kiosks were an aberration that presented inefficient use of resources and very limited open hours.

    Nice touchy Feely headline, but genuine lament?

    I don't think so.

    Now, where have all those post offices gone?

    Tikokino and Ongaonga are missing theirs.
    Last edited by Getty; 15-10-2022 at 09:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty View Post
    THIRTY!!!!!!

    Now there's an emotive number of closures to talk about.

    Or just a sensational headline?

    Reading the listed closures one by one, most are just relocations, several still in the same street.

    The Hastings example was not a police station at all, but an admin office, within 200 metres of the actual station, and courthouse.

    Two Pike River offices were never meant to be permanent, or match the publics perception of what a police station is.

    Kiosks were an aberration that presented inefficient use of resources and very limited open hours.

    Nice touchy Feely headline, but genuine lament?

    I don't think so.

    Now, where have all those post offices gone?

    Tikokino and Ongaonga are missing theirs.

    Nonsense, most are not relocations to the same street at all!
    And 2 of the Stations, 1 in Christchurch & 1 in Greymouth were set up for Pike River enquiry & could have been kept but call it 28 instead of 30 if you really want.
    Those stations closed in South Auckland & Downtown Auckland were so badly needed.
    Stations, Kiosks, or admin offices all presented a highly visible police presence in the community which is no longer there.
    Do you really think removing those police stations & Kiosks (a name for a Police Building that doesn't fulfil the exact criteria for being a full Police Station) from communities had no consequences?
    The thing is with NZ's expanding population over the 9 years National were in govt, services have to expand just to keep up.
    National used migration to prop up our economy while slashing in real terms investment in infrastructure & public services.

    And I'm not saying Labour has got it right, but if you think National are the answer, how can you possibly ignore their past record on issues like policing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Nonsense, most are not relocations to the same street at all!
    And 2 of the Stations, 1 in Christchurch & 1 in Greymouth were set up for Pike River enquiry & could have been kept but call it 28 instead of 30 if you really want.
    Those stations closed in South Auckland & Downtown Auckland were so badly needed.
    Stations, Kiosks, or admin offices all presented a highly visible police presence in the community which is no longer there.
    Do you really think removing those police stations & Kiosks (a name for a Police Building that doesn't fulfil the exact criteria for being a full Police Station) from communities had no consequences?
    The thing is with NZ's expanding population over the 9 years National were in govt, services have to expand just to keep up.
    National used migration to prop up our economy while slashing in real terms investment in infrastructure & public services.

    And I'm not saying Labour has got it right, but if you think National are the answer, how can you possibly ignore their past record on issues like policing.
    Please re read, and understand the difference between most and several.

    Regardless, you present a perception that Police are a bricks and mortar organisation, rather than a mobile responsive one.

    You like your cozzers having a cuppa at the office, rather than in the community?

    They could learn from MP Anna Lorck, having street meetings.
    No one can accuse her of hiding in an ivory tower.

    Much Police time nowadays involves mental health cases, 2 constables being held up at the hospital for what seems to be a very long time while assessments are done on the patient.

    Cop shops on every street corner doesn't help with that and other cases.

    If assaulted, are you going to present your bloodied face to your 'local', or dial 111 and expect them to come to you?

    Spend some time checking time and distance on Google on those relocations, and see if your concern is still valid.

    Then, the acid test is whether Labour reopens them, and you want taxpayers to pay more.
    Last edited by Getty; 15-10-2022 at 02:26 PM. Reason: spelling

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