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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    it will not stand up as a business study, nice try ****er Winston!
    But that's the point Labour & NZ First are making - we've spent far too much time focusing on the narrow business case, when we need to focus on the fluffy intangible social benefits. QED, the POA should move to Northland. Simple, isn't it!

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    MMH is 19.9% owned by POAL, and with POT owning 50% of Northport I'm not sure that the govt will want POT to have that much control over shipping in the North Island. So I can see them forcing POT to give up a chunk of its shareholding to POAL so they have a majority with the money coming from the sale and development of the existing POAL site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mondograss View Post
    MMH is 19.9% owned by POAL, and with POT owning 50% of Northport I'm not sure that the govt will want POT to have that much control over shipping in the North Island. So I can see them forcing POT to give up a chunk of its shareholding to POAL so they have a majority with the money coming from the sale and development of the existing POAL site.
    So this gives POAL indirect "control" over 10 % of North Port. Thanks Mondograss, had thought it was 20 %, I had missed the 50% held by Tauranga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    But that's the point Labour & NZ First are making - we've spent far too much time focusing on the narrow business case, when we need to focus on the fluffy intangible social benefits. QED, the POA should move to Northland. Simple, isn't it!
    Properly costed, a study will show that NZ taxpayers and road users are subsidizing container and other bulk carriers (including auto vehicles) billions of dollars as these uneconomic forms of transport (vs rail) cause maximum damage to the roading infrastructure, and require more and more roads to ease traffic congestion.

    Ever see how many tires there are on a container carrier - 18 for a small container and 24 for a large container carrier! Just imagine the wear and tear on them, and in turn on the roads.

    Then, there's the cost of traffic congestion - another billion dollar savings.

    Thing is, the trucking association know that they have been having it really good and that's why the industry has grown and grown.

    Cut off one of the main suppliers (POA) and watch Auckland and surrounding area traffic ease up.

    That alone is good enough reason to shift POA to Northland.

    Think long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ts-of-auckland

    Well, looks like the deal is going ahead.

    You know it is going to happen when the road freight operators panic and start talking nonsense like this :

    "David Aitken, Chief Executive of National Road Carriers, says at least eight years of consultation and planning would be needed before construction work required for such a project could even begin".
    There has already been at least eight years of consultation and planning and the rail corridor was designated in 2009.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsden_Point_Branch
    By August 2006 both the Northland Regional Council and ONTRACK had entered into talks with interested parties.[5] The result of these talks was positive and in August 2007 the Council began work to purchase land for the proposed route.[6] ONTRACK subsequently confirmed that once the land is acquired it will designate the route as a rail corridor.[7] On 27 November 2007 ONTRACK and the Council confirmed that they were entering into a joint venture arrangement to progress the land designation process and share the costs of land acquisition.[8] A commitment to build the line will be made once the corridor is designated.[3]
    In late 2008, ONTRACK served a notice of requirement to Whangarei District Council for the route's rail designation, seen as an important legal step towards the eventual line.[12] This process began in January 2009[13] and was completed later that year.[14]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwAddS9snas Grow Northland Rail meeting 11/09/17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Properly costed, a study will show that NZ taxpayers and road users are subsidizing container and other bulk carriers (including auto vehicles) billions of dollars as these uneconomic forms of transport (vs rail) cause maximum damage to the roading infrastructure, and require more and more roads to ease traffic congestion.
    Where are the results of the study into the economic benefits? We can't make decisions based on what we think or feel, we need objective facts for which there are very few at present.

    If a cost-benefit analysis proves Northport to provide economically more beneficial than the other options then it should proceed, but before pouring billions of dollars in infrastructure development and compensation payments to the Auckland Council, we need proof that this is the right decision. That is the most concerning part of all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Where are the results of the study into the economic benefits? We can't make decisions based on what we think or feel, we need objective facts for which there are very few at present.

    If a cost-benefit analysis proves Northport to provide economically more beneficial than the other options then it should proceed, but before pouring billions of dollars in infrastructure development and compensation payments to the Auckland Council, we need proof that this is the right decision. That is the most concerning part of all of this.
    Eh - hence the reason for the feasibility study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Eh - hence the reason for the feasibility study.
    But you've already stated the outcome in your previous post, without any completed study.

    Winston also declared his "cast iron commitment" to move POA operations to Northport without any data to back up such a stance.
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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11934908 21 Oct, 2017

    The Marsden City development has been sold to a New Zealand buyer.
    And with Winston Peters in the thick of government after promising to bring new port work to Whangarei, the acquisition could be perfect timing for the new owner.
    The 83ha Marsden City development, just off State Highway 1 was put up for sale in 2015 after companies behind the scheme - North Holdings Development, NH Infrastructure and North Holdings Investment - were put into receivership.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/n...ectid=11481962

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    But you've already stated the outcome in your previous post, without any completed study.

    Winston also declared his "cast iron commitment" to move POA operations to Northport without any data to back up such a stance.
    I state my opinion ("a study will show") which will be confirmed by the feasibility study.

    Better than all the misinformation being fed to the media and public by the trucking industry and POA to try and stave off the inevitable.

    Note how quickly POA came out to say it will not reclaim any more land into the Auckland harbour though after Winston made his view clear?
    Last edited by Balance; 25-10-2017 at 09:43 PM.

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