If National wins ...

[westerly]

Yes El Z, at least now you are back on topic. Your post articulates the argument about the overseas trusts well. Still no lies and fabrications.

If you want information on NZ foreign trusts this may help http://www.nexustrust.com/productandservice.htm

westerly

[jonu]

If you want information on NZ foreign trusts this may help http://www.nexustrust.com/productandservice.htm

westerly

Thanks Westerly, but what I was looking for was the substance to El Z's slanderous accusations of fabrications and lies. As is often the case when things are debated in online forums and in the media, the goalposts are shifted slightly all the time, without points and accusations being proven. When someone is caught out they just jump to something else. Politicians are masters at it and so is El Z.

[westerly]

Thanks Westerly, but what I was looking for was the substance to El Z's slanderous accusations of fabrications and lies. As is often the case when things are debated in online forums and in the media, the goalposts are shifted slightly all the time, without points and accusations being proven. When someone is caught out they just jump to something else. Politicians are masters at it and so is El Z.

Jonu, as you say politicians are masters at covering their tracks. The first qualification, and possibly the only one for a politician, is being adept at public speaking. If you call changing their mind subsequent to what they first said backtracking, forgetfulness, or even lying probably depends on whether you believe what they are saying is true or a cover up and your political allegiance. Just google backtracks or lies along with whoevers name and you get all sorts of views.

westerly

[jonu]

Jonu, as you say politicians are masters at covering their tracks. The first qualification, and possibly the only one for a politician, is being adept at public speaking. If you call changing their mind subsequent to what they first said backtracking, forgetfulness, or even lying probably depends on whether you believe what they are saying is true or a cover up and your political allegiance. Just google backtracks or lies along with whoevers name and you get all sorts of views.

westerly

Westerly no doubt you have noticed MPs are very careful not to call each other liars outside the House. There is good reason for this. If El Z has proof of lies that would stand up in court he should state it with confidence (he hasn't yet); if not he should have his cheque book at the ready to pay out whoever he slanders by calling them a liar in a public forum.

[westerly]

Westerly no doubt you have noticed MPs are very careful not to call each other liars outside the House. There is good reason for this. If El Z has proof of lies that would stand up in court he should state it with confidence (he hasn't yet); if not he should have his cheque book at the ready to pay out whoever he slanders by calling them a liar in a public forum.

Really? They do it inside and outside the House.

westerly

[winner69]

@Dovil: Considering I know the PM trims his pubes, had a vasectomy and pees in his shower you'd think showing a tax return would be the least of it.

(From twitterland)

[jonu]

Really? They do it inside and outside the House.

westerly

I think if you check the language they use outside the House you will find they are much more considered in their comments. They may use every euphemism possible but they wont use the word liar.

[Sgt Pepper]

Apparently there are 70 heads of government mentioned in the Panama Papers which will be presumably be disclosed as investigators make there way through the vast amount of documentation which has been leaked. I note this afternoon, in response to a question the Prime Minister said " I have had no dealings with Panama"

[Snow Leopard]

Why have I found out about this via the Guardian and not the NZ press?

Why is the government not commenting?

What is John Key going to do about it or his he going to try and dismiss it with a joke?

Will the Labour party formulate a policy to prevent such happenings on their watch?

Best Wishes
Paper Tiger

[Major von Tempsky]

Ha! Ha! EZ quoting Bernie Sanders approvingly. Now all we need is for him to quote Jeremy Corbyn approvingly. Talk about the anti-Midas touch!