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17-07-2017, 06:09 PM
#12691
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
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Just think about who would win if under Labour's proposal both a man and a woman claim that they have been raped by the other person. Neither of them can prove consent. Who do you reckon will go to jail - both? Yeah, right ...
It is a difficult area. When investigating, police may refer to any previous complaints, history of violence etc. Whether previous history of complaints/ false accusations or previous convictions is admissible as evidence in court could be a subject of any review of the law surrounding sexual complaints.
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17-07-2017, 06:13 PM
#12692
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
Shouldn't cost much. I reckon they'd get a heap of volunteers.
LOL. Obviously it depends ... but I am sure as well that you realise I talked not just about the financial burden of employing a witness - some people do value their privacy
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17-07-2017, 06:19 PM
#12693
Originally Posted by Bjauck
It is a difficult area. When investigating, police may refer to any previous complaints, history of violence etc. Whether previous history of complaints/ false accusations or previous convictions is admissible as evidence in court could be a subject of any review of the law surrounding sexual complaints.
Ouch - and here goes another pillar of our justice system? So far it is in court all about what you have done (as evidenced by your actions at the alleged crime), not about "how good you are" (evidenced by what you might have done in the past ...).
Are you just saying that Labour wants to crumble this pillar as well? The accused with the better history wins ...
I know it is a difficult (and very sensitive) area. Makes it worse that Labour wants to make political points with not even half baked policies.
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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17-07-2017, 06:28 PM
#12694
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Ouch - and here goes another pillar of our justice system? So far it is in court all about what you have done (as evidenced by your actions at the alleged crime), not about "how good you are" (evidenced by what you might have done in the past ...).
Are you just saying that Labour wants to crumble this pillar as well? The accused with the better history wins ...
I know it is a difficult (and very sensitive) area. Makes it worse that Labour wants to make political points with not even half baked policies.
Similar fact evidence is already admissible in certain circumstances (to establish a modus operandi) - could be the subject of review in certain cases.
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17-07-2017, 07:07 PM
#12695
New ad out from Labour. Andrew Kirton sent me the link.
But the words put me off - don't think I'll watch it ....might bring me to tears
He did ask me to share it though
http://www.labour.org.nz/freshapproa...ource=nzlabour
Last edited by winner69; 17-07-2017 at 07:09 PM.
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17-07-2017, 07:20 PM
#12696
Originally Posted by winner69
I'll bet you watched it, W69. I personally think Labour is pretty good at producing lame ads. This could be one of them. Three years we've waited for a decent show, there should be some better ones. Maybe they're going to play super nice with National again, but National are on such shaky ground that I'd like to see them getting some stick.
Paula Bennett was asked directly about her own experiences with WINZ today. She never 'deliberately misled them' about her situation.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...sled-winz.html
Last edited by elZorro; 17-07-2017 at 08:10 PM.
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17-07-2017, 11:00 PM
#12697
Ref John Keys being conferred with the Order of Australia
What a delicious irony, considering the issues Kiwis living in Australia have
"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap" .Napoléon
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18-07-2017, 07:42 AM
#12698
Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper
Ref John Keys being conferred with the Order of Australia
What a delicious irony, considering the issues Kiwis living in Australia have
"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap" .Napoléon
Agree, what's that all about? Is it a contra deal or something? Kiwi-born residents in Australia are being hammered by successive changes to the rules. But John Key has single-handedly improved our foreign and trade relations?
I would think that many Labour MPs have a portrait of Michael Joseph Savage in their offices. Quite a few National MPs could instead frame that quote from Napoleon.
Some comments on Labour's first video, which won't run on TV or radio at this stage of the campaign.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...st-campaign-ad
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18-07-2017, 09:11 AM
#12699
Originally Posted by elZorro
I'll bet you watched it, W69. I personally think Labour is pretty good at producing lame ads. This could be one of them. Three years we've waited for a decent show, there should be some better ones. Maybe they're going to play super nice with National again, but National are on such shaky ground that I'd like to see them getting some stick.
Paula Bennett was asked directly about her own experiences with WINZ today. She never 'deliberately misled them' about her situation.
Obviously guilty as sin, wouldn't you say eZ ? Wait - don't answer. I'll try and guess, a bit later perhaps when my brain has been rested and nourished.
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18-07-2017, 09:16 AM
#12700
Originally Posted by winner69
They put me off too. So does the on-screen caption of them.
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