Nat/act/nzf 2023

[mistaTea]

Why is the herald the only one publishing the story about what a dilapidated state PH is in?

[Bjauck]

I think your second to last sentence was supposed to read should NOT.

In which case I agree 100%

We want successful people to lead our country. We should not be crucifying them for being wealthy.

Just nuts. And if we don’t cut it out we are going to pay for this short sighted attitude for generations to come as more talented men and women decide to just stick with the private sector. Easier on them and their families if they are rich! I agree with your post and Yep you beat me to my edit! I usually look at Sharetrader on my phone when out and about and waiting for people ( I am the family taxi service!) so make lots of typos often discovered only after posting! Apologies.

[Bjauck]

Why is the herald the only one publishing the story about what a dilapidated state PH is in? Just another state house needing repair? :p

[Getty]

Just another state house needing repair? :p

Yes, obviously the previous tenant Cinders trashed it!

Just like she did with the rest of the country!

Are you going to update the media with that Hipkins?

[Balance]

Why is the herald the only one publishing the story about what a dilapidated state PH is in?

Because Herald sees the writing on the wall while the others are still deep in woke leftist cuckooland.

An example of how the woke leftist media bands together to censor and cancel views and opinions they do not like :

The media in NZ have all colluded in a conspiracy that goes much deeper than just the PIJF bribe.

You may remember last year Family First wanted to run a full page advert in 6 NZ papers, with a picture of a girl and her mum – with the words “What is a Woman?”

All 6 papers (owned by Stuff, NZME, Allied Press) canned the ad from running at the last minute – with one paper actually telling Family First that the media companies had discussed the ads with each other and all decided it was too “contentious”. If the ad was the same but had a picture of a bloke in a dress, you could guarantee that the ad would have run, and probably at discount.

Last week we have heard that Mark Jennings had spoken to other heads of Media to discuss whether they should report Winston Peters PIJF bribe claim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-TGocFGR4

[mistaTea]

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350199019/why-pms-accommodation-allowance-failed-fairness-test

Like the rest of our journalists, I think Robert needs to go and actually read the report on PH before publishing his opinions.

[iceman]

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350199019/why-pms-accommodation-allowance-failed-fairness-test

Like the rest of our journalists, I think Robert needs to go and actually read the report on PH before publishing his opinions.

"Robert" ??

[mistaTea]

"Robert" ??

Doh, in my scrolling on my phone I attributed it to the photojournalist instead of Tracey!

My bad. Fundamental point remains though.

[Daytr]

Because Herald sees the writing on the wall while the others are still deep in woke leftist cuckooland.

An example of how the woke leftist media bands together to censor and cancel views and opinions they do not like :

The media in NZ have all colluded in a conspiracy that goes much deeper than just the PIJF bribe.

You may remember last year Family First wanted to run a full page advert in 6 NZ papers, with a picture of a girl and her mum – with the words “What is a Woman?”

All 6 papers (owned by Stuff, NZME, Allied Press) canned the ad from running at the last minute – with one paper actually telling Family First that the media companies had discussed the ads with each other and all decided it was too “contentious”. If the ad was the same but had a picture of a bloke in a dress, you could guarantee that the ad would have run, and probably at discount.

Last week we have heard that Mark Jennings had spoken to other heads of Media to discuss whether they should report Winston Peters PIJF bribe claim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-TGocFGR4

If you want to commentate on everything & anything with a blanket blinkered view, at least be consistent.
Only recently you were criticizing Chloe Swarbrick for supporting Palestinians who are being slaughtered by Israel, due to Islamic treatment of the Rainbow Community.

And here you saying media companies should help promote division and malicious intent towards the same community.

Well done those companies, particularly as they are under strain for every revenue dollar but still made an ethical stand that they won't assist a bunch of pulpit preaching bible bashers spread their hate.
I wonder why the campaign wasn't what's a man?
I think you know why, as no one would care.

[Balance]

If you want to commentate on everything & anything with a blanket blinkered view, at least be consistent.
Only recently you were criticizing Chloe Swarbrick for supporting Palestinians who are being slaughtered by Israel, due to Islamic treatment of the Rainbow Community.

And here you saying media companies should help promote division and malicious intent towards the same community.

Well done those companies, particularly as they are under strain for every revenue dollar but still made an ethical stand that they won't assist a bunch of pulpit preaching bible bashers spread their hate.
I wonder why the campaign wasn't what's a man?
I think you know why, as no one would care.

How is Family First spreading their hate with an advert of 'What is a woman?' It is more than a fair question.

On the contrary, it is the woke leftists spreading their misinformation and hatred against the family unit but you are too blind to see that.

We had a PM (Hapless Hipkins) who stated that people define their own gender - so a male can call himself a female and go into a female washroom. That's how absurd the woke leftists have been in pushing their agenda of destroying the family unit.

In other words, kiss my arse.

[iceman]

If you want to commentate on everything & anything with a blanket blinkered view, at least be consistent.
Only recently you were criticizing Chloe Swarbrick for supporting Palestinians who are being slaughtered by Israel, due to Islamic treatment of the Rainbow Community.

And here you saying media companies should help promote division and malicious intent towards the same community.

Well done those companies, particularly as they are under strain for every revenue dollar but still made an ethical stand that they won't assist a bunch of pulpit preaching bible bashers spread their hate.
I wonder why the campaign wasn't what's a man?
I think you know why, as no one would care.

You reckon they are spreading their hate ? It could be suggested your hate of them is clearly exposed in this post. What is wrong with asking what is a woman, or man for that matter ? I don't get the hate. For me it is more a difference of opinion and everyone should be entitled to theirs.

[Daytr]

You reckon they are spreading their hate ? It could be suggested your hate of them is clearly exposed in this post. What is wrong with asking what is a woman, or man for that matter ? I don't get the hate. For me it is more a difference of opinion and everyone should be entitled to theirs.

A nationwide campaign which is obviously targeting an already marginalized community is hardly caring.

They wouldn't have used a campaign "what is a man" because it wouldn't have the same impact and most people would have just thought it was silly.

[mistaTea]

A nationwide campaign which is obviously targeting an already marginalized community is hardly caring.

They wouldn't have used a campaign "what is a man" because it wouldn't have the same impact and most people would have just thought it was silly.

But this is what you guys don’t seem to be understand.

Your personal opinion has nothing to do with it.

This is about censorship, and where the limits/boundaries need to be.

So most would agree that MSM should not publish front page ads for White Power.

But where do we draw the line?

[Daytr]

But this is what you guys don’t seem to be understand.

Your personal opinion has nothing to do with it.

This is about censorship, and where the limits/boundaries need to be.

So most would agree that MSM should not publish front page ads for White Power.

But where do we draw the line?

I think they have drawn the line & its your opinion that they shouldn't have, it's my opinion they should.

And it is niave to say this just an opinion. It's a targeted campaign against a marginalized minority community.

I would suggest if a bunch of atheists wanted to run full pages throughout the country saying Jesus was a myth & the Bible is a fairytale, the news outlets would have said no to that as well.

Even though I would agree with those statements, there is no need to rub people's face in it or upset them.
Leave them in their state of ignorance if you ask me, but the one problem with that as they typically want to spread their ignorance.
We see the same people denying climate change as well.

[Balance]

But this is what you guys don’t seem to be understand.

Your personal opinion has nothing to do with it.

This is about censorship, and where the limits/boundaries need to be.

So most would agree that MSM should not publish front page ads for White Power.

But where do we draw the line?

It's more than that - it's about the woke leftist media in collusion to censor and cancel anything which they (yes, they) view as endangering the woke agenda.

And wtf do they think they are? Corrupted by the media $55m Covid fund to sing to Ardern & Labour's woke tunes.

And recall how they wanted to shut down Peters’ assertions of their corruption?

In any case, NZers have had enough and the sooner the woke leftist media get their comeuppance, the better - Newshub last week, Stuff not that far away.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/spinesless-apolgies-to-woke.jpg

[mistaTea]

I think they have drawn the line & its your opinion that they shouldn't have, it's my opinion they should.

And it is niave to say this just an opinion. It's a targeted campaign against a marginalized minority community.

I would suggest if a bunch of atheists wanted to run full pages throughout the country saying Jesus was a myth & the Bible is a fairytale, the news outlets would have said no to that as well.

Even though I would agree with those statements, there is no need to rub people's face in it or upset them.
Leave them in their state of ignorance if you ask me, but the one problem with that as they typically want to spread their ignorance.
We see the same people denying climate change as well.

It is not just me who is of the opinion that the editors have gone too far in terms of where they have decided to ‘draw the line’.

And until they get the balance right, it is going to be impossible to attract eyeballs.

When editors become overly cautious because they are so terrified of ‘offending’ anyone the road to Hell has been paved.

Unfortunately the MSM is going to need to suffer a lot more before they are ready to look in the mirror.

They are still in denial from what I can see.

They have a duty to not print anything that is likely to incite hatred. But the bar for that needs to be very high.

If you lower the bar too much then you have to be prepared to live with the consequences (low subs, crashing ad revenue).

[iceman]

A nationwide campaign which is obviously targeting an already marginalized community is hardly caring.

They wouldn't have used a campaign "what is a man" because it wouldn't have the same impact and most people would have just thought it was silly.

Which marginalized community ?

[nztx]

Just another state house needing repair? :p


$30m to fix the old dump & yet it has it's own board ? ;)

What happened to the deferred maintenance ?

Did the Board take an extra long holiday then go to sleep ?

Where they been hiding while the thing has been deteriorating - having their little meetings in leased accommodation elsewhere out of view ? ;)


It's surprising that the previous Labour tenants didn't scream rant & rave extra loudly like privileged banshees ;)

That sort of of thing was right up their alley for less than standard ramshackle accomodation ..
and then spend a bomb & send the budget off the chart unashamably towards Pluto without fail ;)

[dobby41]

$30m to fix the old dump & yet it has it's own board ? ;)

What happened to the deferred maintenance ?

Did the Board take an extra long holiday then go to sleep ?

Where they been hiding while the thing has been deteriorating - having their little meetings in leased accommodation elsewhere out of view ? ;)
I suppose they needed money and no one was giving it.



It's surprising that the previous Labour tenants didn't scream rant & rave extra loudly like privileged banshees ;)

That sort of of thing was right up their alley for less than standard ramshackle accomodation ..
and then spend a bomb & send the budget off the chart unashamably towards Pluto without fail ;)

Well, they didn't so be surprised - many of us aren't surprised at all (maybe less biased).
It's Luxon who feels that it isn't good enough for him to live in!

[Joshuatree]

You say that it is a fact check fail without any evidence to the contrary.
The question is not how many nights she stayed at Premier House but what allowance she claimed.
Traveling elsewhere (including Auckland) is just not relevant.
Did she claim the allowance or treat Premier House as her Wellington residence? (Hint - it is the latter.)
Also, she was in Wellington for a lot more than 2-3 days a week.

Yes ,Luxon reeks of entitlement and plain greed.Paying it back is a hindsight coverup .attempt.Jacinda is the benchmark example of how to behave ,respect our tax revenue and how to be an equal.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bailout-warning-went-to-minister-melissa-lees-office-before-newshubs-collapse/WDSVKRAABVDQHOZO6MGTHCBQ3Y/

Bailout warning went to Media and Communication Minister Melissa Lee’s office before Newshub’s collapse


Let's just let the State owned TVNZ disorientated left sighted piranhas (fresh out of seeing Comrade Willie Wonka they idolised - unceremoniously tossed out of the top tank onto the grass to dry out & wither)
have a taxpayer funded clean up of the private media sector in a free for all frenzy hitting all the feed stations ;)

What could possibly go wrong trusting these TVNZ hungry piranhas to strip all the tanks of life ? ;)


No problem for SOE TVNZ going hand and cap for a Govt handout when things get a bit difficult is there ? ;)


A sh*tload more of clueless Telemarketing Gumph programming across all the channels and little more ? ;)



Perhaps Melissa Lee needs to look a bit closer at what will likely be left circling in the pool :)

[Balance]

I suppose they needed money and no one was giving it.




Well, they didn't so be surprised - many of us aren't surprised at all (maybe less biased).
It's Luxon who feels that it isn't good enough for him to live in!

Ardern & Hipkins are peasants who would be happy residing in tents and pigsties.

[dobby41]

Luxon has class while Ardern & Hipkins are peasants.

Luxon has entitlement - that's all!

[Balance]

Luxon has entitlement - that's all!

Which he is entitled to vs the entitlements created by Ardern & Hipkins by the billions of dollars (debt funded) to breed parasites, beneficiaries and losers.

[nztx]

Luxon has entitlement - that's all!



6 years of 'must have must give' entitlement just gone & booted out :)

how come that happen ? ;)


No child or any other sort of Poverty around NZ when Hapless Hipkins and sidekick Robber's large Fiscal hole got kicked out - was there ? ;)

[dobby41]

Which he is entitled to vs the entitlements created by Ardern & Hipkins by the billions of dollars (debt funded) to breed parasites, beneficiaries and losers.
Yes, he is entitled as I have said before.
This isn't about his entitlement and is about politics.
Bill English worked it out - it took Luzon a while.
Do as I say not as I do just wasn't sustainable. For some reason, you just don't get what everyone else has worked out!

Luxon felt that PH just wasn't good enough for him - he was entitled to better.

6 years of 'must have must give' entitlement just gone & booted out :)

how come that happen ? ;)


No child or any other sort of Poverty around NZ when Hapless Hipkins and sidekick Robber's large Fiscal hole got kicked out - was there ? ;)

I thought you wanted something better. Seems you are happy with the same but a different colour tie.

[Balance]

Yes, he is entitled as I have said before.
This isn't about his entitlement and is about politics.
Bill English worked it out - it took Luzon a while.
Do as I say not as I do just wasn't sustainable. For some reason, you just don't get what everyone else has worked out!

Luxon felt that PH just wasn't good enough for him - he was entitled to better.


I thought you wanted something better. Seems you are happy with the same but a different colour tie.

In his shoes, I would have told the msm and Hipkins to fxxk off. Majority of NZers would support and applaud the stance. They know a woke leftist beat up when they see one.

[dobby41]

In his shoes, I would have told the msm and Hipkins to fxxk off. Majority of NZers would support and applaud the stance. They know a woke leftist beat up when they see one.

You seem to be willfully ignorant.
It wasn't just the woke left but the woke right thinking his stance was wrong.
Maybe it is a good thing that he understands that

Does not matter what I think.
and doesn't follow your advice.

[Balance]

You seem to be willfully ignorant.
It wasn't just the woke left but the woke right thinking his stance was wrong.
Maybe it is a good thing that he understands that

Clueless Cindy will Always be my hero and one source of truth.

Enjoy, dobby41.

Luxon's Backdown

Why can't he show strength against the media onslaught?

Our media just do not like Christopher Luxon.

But of all the issues they could and should be attacking him on, the nonsense over his accommodation allowance is about as petty and irrelevant as you can go.

How come there has been virtually no coverage of his party back tracking on election promises to drop the 39 percent tax rate on trusts and the so called “app tax” ?

Frankly they are such easy hits for the media one wonders if the political reporters cannot see the wood for the trees. Even the Taxpayers Union has been vociferous in its condemnation of the National Party u-turns, and deservedly so.

Back to the accommodation allowance schemozzle.

Being successful and wealthy in this country is, in the minds of the media, a sin.

Luxon owns a few properties. Good for him. He had a well publicised multi-million dollar salary when he ran Air New Zealand.

Like any prudent salary earner he decided to invest some of his income. Like thousands of other New Zealanders, and a good many MPs, he bought some houses and apartments.

He lives in Auckland so is entitled to accommodation in Wellington when he’s there to do his job.

Yes he could have lived in the apartment at Premier House. But a report in the New Zealand Herald – AFTER Luxon had been beaten into submission by the media and decided he would not claim the accommodation allowance – showed that it is not an especially salubrious place to live.

The place has 30 year old fittings and furnishings, poor insulation and windows that were not sealed. Premier House is, according to a report from its governing board, “uncomfortable” and “badly laid out.”

Most significantly the Premier House Board said it was well below current building standards and only partially met building and residential tenancy requirements.

The political media expected the Prime Minister to live there when in Wellington?

Luxon’s reluctance to not is completely understandable.

One other point to note – the place costs the same to operate whether or not the Prime Minister is in residence.

So if Premier House is unsuitable then Luxon is entitled to accommodation paid for by the taxpayer – like every other out of town MP.

That he chooses to live in a place he owns and be paid an allowance which he can pocket as the property owner might not seem morally right in these times of austerity, but it’s hardly an uncommon practice.

Is Parliamentary Services, who administer these allowances, supposed to differentiate between the rich and the not-so-rich MPs?

Last year it was revealed about twenty MPs, including Labour’s Willie Jackson and Deborah Russell, are doing precisely what Luxon was doing until he stopped.

The other great sin, according to the media, is that Luxon’s apartment across the road from Parliament is mortgage free. Therefore the Prime Minister can pocket the entire $52,000 tax free on top of his $479,000 salary – which remember is only about 20 percent of what he used to earn at Air New Zealand.

What our political reporters fail to understand is that despite being mortgage-free, Luxon is likely to have body corporate and rates payments. For a million dollar apartment, those costs will be in excess of $10,000 a year.

Because of the media hit job, the Prime Minister is now having to pay his own way to stay in Wellington to do his job.

Is that fair? Not in my book.

This backdown suggests – again – that Luxon is not a political strongman. A leader of real conviction would have gone back on attack against the media who colluded in depriving him of an allowance that he and every other out of town MP is entitled to – and claim.

Luxon had that report that the New Zealand Herald told us about two days after his backdown. He could have gone right back at them in the various ambush interviews he had to give on the subject and quote a few lines from the report like “below current building standards” and “only partially met residential tenancy requirements.”

The he could have pointed out that a mortgage free apartment does not come without significant operating costs.

But it’s too late now.

Luxon has lost. The media has won and the Prime Minister has admitted as such. On Friday afternoon he said that callers to a talkback show had influenced his decision!

Jesus wept.

When is our Prime Minister going to show some real strength and leadership on trivial nonsense like this?

And by the way, why isn’t he scrapping the 39 percent tax rate on trusts? Why is he keeping Labour’s App Tax for those who use the likes of Uber and Airbnb?

More broken promises like those and his credibility will drop even further.

Peter Williams was a writer and broadcaster for half a century. Now watching from the sidelines. Peter blogs regularly on https://peterallanwilliams.substack.com/ - where this article was sourced.

[nztx]

Yes, he is entitled as I have said before.
This isn't about his entitlement and is about politics.
Bill English worked it out - it took Luzon a while.
Do as I say not as I do just wasn't sustainable. For some reason, you just don't get what everyone else has worked out!

Luxon felt that PH just wasn't good enough for him - he was entitled to better.


I thought you wanted something better. Seems you are happy with the same but a different colour tie.



We already got better (prob hard for some of the still blinkered up peasants to see) with the last lot of trash unceremoniously kicked out ;)

Obviously they are still floundering around in the gutter star struck, if what has been seen since out of
still smouldering ashes of Labour & the Greens is anything to go by ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

Back to the accommodation allowance schemozzle.


If the premier house mansion is for peasants like 99% of us, then he could use his free apartment without taxpayer help.

[dobby41]

Enjoy, dobby41.

Luxon's Backdown

You found one - took a bit of finding didn't it?
No link - you didn't make that up like you often do did you?
I doubt it - far to many words for you but an link would have been the right thing to do if you are going to quote something.

Doesn't change a thing - he ignored your opinion and took that of NewTalk ZB (Kerre and Heather it seems by his admission). Part of the woke right rather than woke left (Kerre got a lot of stick on Talkback for raising it).

[mistaTea]

If the premier house mansion is for peasants like 99% of us,

Fill your boots. I wouldn't live in that dump either.

I am also disappointed that he folded so fast, and credited his decision to listening to a few yahoos on talkback.

He obviously wanted to get this behind him as fast as possible, but I think he just looks foolish now.

Is Willie Jackson offering to pay the allowance he has claimed so far to live in his own property back? No.

Are the media even following up and asking him to? Of course not. Probably racist these days to even ask him.

[Balance]

You found one - took a bit of finding didn't it?
No link - you didn't make that up like you often do did you?
I doubt it - far to many words for you but an link would have been the right thing to do if you are going to quote something.

Doesn't change a thing - he ignored your opinion and took that of NewTalk ZB (Kerre and Heather it seems by his admission). Part of the woke right rather than woke left (Kerre got a lot of stick on Talkback for raising it).

He has a lot to learn has Luxon but one thing he has is what is called 'drop dead' or in today's language 'Fxxk off' money - something that the woke leftist journalists will never have.

But let one of the commentators articulate what's happening :

" ..... he probably just didn't care much about about the money or the issue. Maybe a case of don't worry about the small issues , just win the war. And he's certainly winning the war. And the tax issues will be discussed in a few weeks with the pre budget announcements.

Mr Luxon's last reported salary at Air NZ WAS $4.4 million plus bonuses, so he isn't in this for the money.

The more interesting reality is that so many Labourites were doing the same thing. Where's the media outrage about that ? Your right what are they supposed to do, pitch a tent in Parliament gardens ? What this story has done is reinforce the public's contempt for the media. Again."

[iceman]

In a media conference this arvo the PM confirmed that some maintenance work has been taking place at PH and for that reason (security) the building has been unavailable to him. This whole issue is a pathetic storm in a teacup. The media is so ridiculous that despite a major announcement on transport from the Government today, the stupid journalists were really only interested in asking questions about Premier House and Newshub. And they are surprised the public is no longer interested in watching and listening to them.

[Getty]

$30M to do up Premier House?

Really?

Can anyone think of a less meritorious building & grounds to spend even 25% of that sum on?

A fortune was spent on restoring the Governor Generals official residence, at least it has sunny gardens, and will become vacant if NZ becomes a republic.

In the meantime reinstate Lux's $52K rent.
That bloke is an absolute bargain by comparison!

[tim23]

Fill your boots. I wouldn't live in that dump either.

I am also disappointed that he folded so fast, and credited his decision to listening to a few yahoos on talkback.

He obviously wanted to get this behind him as fast as possible, but I think he just looks foolish now.

Is Willie Jackson offering to pay the allowance he has claimed so far to live in his own property back? No.

Are the media even following up and asking him to? Of course not. Probably racist these days to even ask him.
He should never have been in a position to fold - an own goal by the PM.

[nztx]

$30M to do up Premier House?

Really?

Can anyone think of a less meritorious building & grounds to spend even 25% of that sum on?

A fortune was spent on restoring the Governor Generals official residence, at least it has sunny gardens, and will become vacant if NZ becomes a republic.

In the meantime reinstate Lux's $52K rent.
That bloke is an absolute bargain by comparison!


How about the fortune that was coughed up to tidy up the shambles Trev the Terrible
made of Parliamentary gardens before being given an Irish holiday on full perks ? ;)


It's only a mere $30 M .. Look at at the $500 M Labour spent on Three Idiots on Water
with not one water pipe or water supply improvement touched on in the process.

The Local Bodies had the party of their lives p!ssing all the Govt dough up against
anything that touched their fancies like there was no tomorrow ..

And the grandiose squander up on Auckland Light Rail which didn't produce much
more than Three Idiots on Water for all the large wad purported thrown at things ;)

Why stop at a measily $30 M .. do the job properly so it looks like a real Leader's retreat
- why not $100 M to properly do it no corners taken off along the way

After all Labour had no issues with firing larger bucketfuls at the wall & had nothing to show
for the exercise when it came to their day of reckoning & Joe Public exacting punishment
in the form of a herd of No. 8's up the jacksies of the Comrades dispatched down the road;)


A mere $30 M is nothing compared to Robbo's large creative Hole left behind after b*llsh**ying
everyone that everything was rocking along just fine without any issues, until he got found out
and went silent leaving all the peasants buried in large circles of COL spirals and heading
towards becoming destitute courtesy of the doings of the clueless huddle of Labour d!ckheads
who had no idea of what they were doing & how to get there without producing a larger shambles ;)

[Balance]

And don’t forget the $51m spent and wasted on the bike bridge to nowhere - there is change left of $21m if the money was spent on Premier House.

Ardern and Hipkins sure know how to pxss $$$ down the drain.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/transport-announcement-likely-as-pm-christopher-luxon-fronts-post-cabinet-press-conference/WRDZ7RPY7BE65DG27K4C63BQFI/

Labour slams Government for hiking fuel tax by 22c next term, increasing regos by $50, slashing public transport cash


Hapless Hipkins drops a spewie on Transport from the smoking ashes of an ejected Labour huddle ;)

The bulk of today's pothole population are likely from Labour's & your Govt's terms

Just cost a heap more to fix the jobs than when your clueless mob were sifting around ignoring them all :)


No-one will forget this announcement from the Hapless Hipkins & Comrade Pothole "Tax everything like no tomorrow" Parker in the recent past - back on 17 Aug 2023:


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/495988/government-releases-10-year-transport-plan-for-consultation

Government releases 10-year transport plan for consultation

Probably more like the 10 year plan that got Labour kicked out ;)

and more like the 10 year plan that will keep Labour out of power for longer than 10 years too

[Panda-NZ-]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/transport-announcement-likely-as-pm-christopher-luxon-fronts-post-cabinet-press-conference/WRDZ7RPY7BE65DG27K4C63BQFI/

Labour slams Government for hiking fuel tax by 22c next term, increasing regos by $50, slashing public transport cash


I suspect this is going to be a theme for this new govt.

The promised 20 bucks a week is going to be eaten up by all the new fees, charges and levies.

Meet the new tax collectors - the nz police force.

[nztx]

I suspect this is going to be a theme for this govt.

The promised 20 bucks a week is going to be eaten up by all the new fees, charges and levies..


Labour's Nosey Parker has last year confirmed it was going to be a larger theme under Labour with Auckland's
Regional Fuel Tax impost still in place stealing even more from Auckland purses & wallets ;)

The Pot Hole population & Labour's uncanny ability to ignore them multiplying infinitely
right under their noses would have undoubtedly seen what ? ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

National's rego ripoff (tm).

Where was the campaign promise to hike feul tax & what does the Act party have to say about that.

[Joshuatree]

I suspect this is going to be a theme for this new govt.

The promised 20 bucks a week is going to be eaten up by all the new fees, charges and levies.

Meet the new tax collectors - the nz police force.

Yes,this govt will be forever remembered as the Cannibal Collective.

[dobby41]

The more interesting reality is that so many Labourites were doing the same thing. Where's the media outrage about that ? Your right what are they supposed to do, pitch a tent in Parliament gardens ? What this story has done is reinforce the public's contempt for the media. Again."

Only PMs could do the same thing - and they didn't.
This isn't about the general MP accommodation allowance.
You just can't see past your bias.

[dobby41]

The Pot Hole population & Labour's uncanny ability to ignore them multiplying infinitely
right under their noses would have undoubtedly seen what ? ;)

Labour ignored the potholes?
NZTA got a road maintenance increase to help.
One of the issues is that Joyce stole some of the maintenance budget to pay for their new roads - was always going to bite someone down the track.

[Balance]

Labour ignored the potholes?
NZTA got a road maintenance increase to help.
One of the issues is that Joyce stole some of the maintenance budget to pay for their new roads - was always going to bite someone down the track.

So what happened to the tens of billions of dollars raised in debt by Ardern & Hipkins?

Why didn't some of that go into maintenance rather than squandered on 3 Waters, media merger, income insurance, bike bridge to nowhere, school lunches which are not eaten and fed to pigs, consultants etc etc?

Answer - Clueless and Useless Ardern & Hapless Hipkins had zero idea about spending and accountability.

[Balance]

Commentary on School Lunches by Kerre Woodham, who was and still is a supporter of the program :

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-woodham-mornings/opinion/kerre-woodham-school-lunches/

Most important bit :

" ...... the previous government hadn't put school lunches in its long-term budget costings. They've dipped into the Covid-19 emergency money, which was all debt.

The Covid response and recovery fund, that's where the funding came for school lunches. There was no long-term funding applied.

As the excellent Kate McNamara writes, she wrote about it in the Herald some time ago. Grant Robertson was told by Treasury that the more than $527 million in operating funds he planned to charge to the Covid-19 emergency fund for the lunches, didn't really qualify as Covid resurgence costs. Funding through the ordinary budget process would be more suitable.

That advice fell on deaf ears because he knew he couldn't find a place in his budget for it."

https://thumbnailer.digitalnz.org/?resize=664%3E&src=https%3A%2F%2Fndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz%2FNLN ZStreamGate%2Fget%3Fdps_pid%3DIE17195653

[iceman]

Only PMs could do the same thing - and they didn't.
This isn't about the general MP accommodation allowance.
You just can't see past your bias.

The PM said in a media conference yesterday that he has been unable to stay there (for security reasons) due to maintenance work taking place. You just can't see past your bias.

[dobby41]

The PM said in a media conference yesterday that he has been unable to stay there (for security reasons) due to maintenance work taking place. You just can't see past your bias.

Believe that and you'd believe anything - just trying to save face.
Speaking of security - I wonder how they handle the security around his apartment. I suspect his security has had to rent an apartment to be near.

[dobby41]

I bet Luxon wishes he had stuck to what he said when in Opposition that he wouldn't use the 757 for trips!
Sure, he had to be there early this morning but other executives would have gone over last night.

[nztx]

I bet Luxon wishes he had stuck to what he said when in Opposition that he wouldn't use the 757 for trips!
Sure, he had to be there early this morning but other executives would have gone over last night.


How many replacements could have been purchased for all the $500 million squandered on Three Idiots on Water
under Labour ; the Auckland Light Rail & Walkways, along with other aborted or thrown on the bombfire projects
- for which there is nothing to show for all of what went out ? ;)


Then there is the residual from the "Rob the Central Bank for Covid humungous borrow up" leftover funds which mysteriously disappeared where or into some obscure hole elsewhere ? ;)

Who was the Minister in charge with the 757 from the clueless Labour / Greens Huddle ? Not a priority or maybe "they are managing" or too busy asleep under his Beehive pew to be bothered ? ;)

[Joshuatree]

This Cannibal Collective Govt are the absolute wasters of money,incredible how they have thrown out our taxes with the three waters etc etc.Sickening and sending us backwards at phenomenal divisive cost.Its all about making the tax cuts the carrot dildo work.Timing couldn't be worse but that's the Cannibal Collective for ya.

[nztx]

This Cannibal Collective Govt are the absolute wasters of money,incredible how they have thrown out our taxes with the three waters etc etc.Sickening and sending us backwards at phenomenal divisive cost.Its all about making the tax cuts the carrot dildo work.Timing couldn't be worse but that's the Cannibal Collective for ya.


Come on now .. you haven't been counting all the Sausage Rolls that Chippie, Robbo, Kelvin and the silly tart presiding over Three Idiots on Water were scoffing along the way :)

Who knows & don't tell anyone but probably a Housing gnome and even James (still counting his degrees) on the quiet were also in on the job too ;)

Handy Andy must have been too busy briefing his sub tribe that the official line was to be "They are managing" to anything that came their way.

None of the disguised Cannibals from the Labour / Greens huddle however could have been any good at hiding the sausage rolls or pennies salted away on the quiet, if the new Govt this early on are able to uncover enough for a few tax cuts to spin out to all those who suffered greatly under clueless Labour / Greens Cannibals who tried but failed miserably in all attempts to cover up their trail :)

[Balance]

Arseholes licking Hurricane player(s) in action - fxxk them and their disgraceful kind.

Just because they know how to throw a ball around the park, they think they actually are intelligent enough to know a good government from a bad government? Heck, they probably do not even know what is fiscally responsible vs spendthrift irresponsible.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/hurricanes-to-apologise-to-government-over-poua-redneck-haka/WUUHEHLE5ZHGDF3NMNL7XXOCBY/

“The Hurricanes will apologise to the Government over a haka performed by its women’s side the Poua labelling the Government redneck.

Before their Super Rugby Aupiki season opener against the Chiefs Manawa, the Hurricanes Poua used an altered haka which used the phrase “karetao o te Kāwana kakiwhero” or “puppets of this redneck Government”.

[iceman]

Arseholes licking Hurricane player(s) in action - fxxk them and their disgraceful kind.

Just because they know how to throw a ball around the park, they think they actually are intelligent?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/hurricanes-to-apologise-to-government-over-poua-redneck-haka/WUUHEHLE5ZHGDF3NMNL7XXOCBY/

“The Hurricanes will apologise to the Government over a haka performed by its women’s side the Poua labelling the Government redneck.

Before their Super Rugby Aupiki season opener against the Chiefs Manawa, the Hurricanes Poua used an altered haka which used the phrase “karetao o te Kāwana kakiwhero” or “puppets of this redneck Government”.

They're probably sick of being the never ending losers that they are at playing rugby so had to find a different way to try and look relevant. Pathetic. I wonder if any of their sponsors will speak up !

[Balance]

They're probably being the never ending losers that they are at playing rugby so had to find a different way to try and look relevant. Pathetic. I wonder if any of their sponsors will speak up !

They were trashed by the Chiefs over the weekend so you are bang on.

Bunch of pathetic arse-licking losers.

Good one from Winston Peters :

“Perhaps if they focussed more on tackling and catching the ball instead of expending all their energy performing a haka trying too hard to attack the government they may not have been thrashed so badly.

I don’t see the world number one Black Ferns doing that.”

[Getty]

Lux pulled a fine swifty this morning.

He got the Air Force to nobble their plane.

Then he had an excuse to catch a commercial flight, and leave all the pesky media on the ground, instead of with him on the AF plane.

Smart operator that Lux!

[Balance]

Lux pulled a fine swifty this morning.

He got the Air Force to nobble their plane.

Then he had an excuse to catch a commercial flight, and leave all the pesky media on the ground, instead of with him on the AF plane.

Smart operator that Lux!

Good one, Getty! :t_up:

[blackcap]

Arseholes licking Hurricane player(s) in action - fxxk them and their disgraceful kind.

Just because they know how to throw a ball around the park, they think they actually are intelligent enough to know a good government from a bad government? Heck, they probably do not even know what is fiscally responsible vs spendthrift irresponsible.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/hurricanes-to-apologise-to-government-over-poua-redneck-haka/WUUHEHLE5ZHGDF3NMNL7XXOCBY/

“The Hurricanes will apologise to the Government over a haka performed by its women’s side the Poua labelling the Government redneck.

Before their Super Rugby Aupiki season opener against the Chiefs Manawa, the Hurricanes Poua used an altered haka which used the phrase “karetao o te Kāwana kakiwhero” or “puppets of this redneck Government”.

If the Hurricanes management had any balls, they would get the whole team to apologise. But no, they won't. Bunch of pussies. As I saw, the haka was performed to about 12 fans in the stands. Boy womans professional rugby is pathetic.

[Daytr]

This Cannibal Collective Govt are the absolute wasters of money,incredible how they have thrown out our taxes with the three waters etc etc.Sickening and sending us backwards at phenomenal divisive cost.Its all about making the tax cuts the carrot dildo work.Timing couldn't be worse but that's the Cannibal Collective for ya.

Hey JT, I didn't agree with the Three Waters model, however what's NAFT's alternative? There is a massive issue here to be solved that has a very big price tag and rates isn't going to cut it.
Apparently 15 new four lane highways is more of a priority than not just clean drinking water, but water shortages, sewerage treatment & stormwater that causes expensive issues such as road washout, slips etc.

So what is NAFT's plan?

[Joshuatree]

Hey JT, I didn't agree with the Three Waters model, however what's NAFT's alternative? There is a massive issue here to be solved that has a very big price tag and rates isn't going to cut it.
Apparently 15 new four lane highways is more of a priority than not just clean drinking water, but water shortages, sewerage treatment & stormwater that causes expensive issues such as road washout, slips etc.

So what is NAFT's plan?

Who knows,same with the Ferries and we know thousands are going to die repealing the tobacco stuff.
Taking the water debts away from the councils was the best solution and three waters would have achieved that,maybe with a few tweaks to ally fearful pakehas (lol).

[dobby41]

How many replacements could have been purchased for all the $500 million squandered on Three Idiots on Water
under Labour ; the Auckland Light Rail & Walkways, along with other aborted or thrown on the bombfire projects
- for which there is nothing to show for all of what went out ? ;)
Wasted?
Ultimately we will have to pay via rates not that National has wasted the lead and scrapped 3 Waters due to their ideological dislike to it.



Then there is the residual from the "Rob the Central Bank for Covid humungous borrow up" leftover funds which mysteriously disappeared where or into some obscure hole elsewhere ? ;)

Who was the Minister in charge with the 757 from the clueless Labour / Greens Huddle ? Not a priority or maybe "they are managing" or too busy asleep under his Beehive pew to be bothered ? ;)
Not a priority - same as the current lot.
Shouldn't have been the issue that it was if Luxon had stuck to what he said in Opposition - 'I won't be using the 757 and will fly commercial'.
Maybe he'll fly over the night before like business people do?

[dobby41]

Hey JT, I didn't agree with the Three Waters model, however what's NAFT's alternative? There is a massive issue here to be solved that has a very big price tag and rates isn't going to cut it.
Apparently 15 new four lane highways is more of a priority than not just clean drinking water, but water shortages, sewerage treatment & stormwater that causes expensive issues such as road washout, slips etc.

So what is NAFT's plan?

When they get one they may tell us.
A good time for tax cuts? Maybe not.

[nztx]

Wasted?
Ultimately we will have to pay via rates not that National has wasted the lead and scrapped 3 Waters due to their ideological dislike to it.



Not a priority - same as the current lot.
Shouldn't have been the issue that it was if Luxon had stuck to what he said in Opposition - 'I won't be using the 757 and will fly commercial'.
Maybe he'll fly over the night before like business people do?


Come on now .. successive Labour Govts have pandied to & aided the vast growth & proliferation
of Local Body Empires since right back when Clark was Leader.

The Local Body's responsibilities to Water issues was exactly their responsibility and Labour
Govt's have just ignored the fact that many Local Bodies were not satisfied their duty at Local Govt
level to now see what we have now ;)

How could Labour Govt's just close their eyes to these issues in the past and then just because
it becomes an issue too large to ignore Labour then decided to make it a national issue and
in their attempts to do create a larger expensive abortion of things ;)


The 757 issue should have been dealt with .. Labour were so busy dilly dallying around throwing bucketfuls
left right & centre. Why was it not dealth with ?

What did sleepy Little achieve while he was overseeing things ? Probably as close to SFA as
not being there at all ;)

No excuses - these sort of things are what we get with clueless misguided Labour Govt's
squandering left, right & centre, ignoring issues then ultimately wonder why they wind up
in a larger shambles ;)

And there are are fair few other areas that resemble the same sort of shambles for an outcome
from Labour meddling, producing close to nothing and leaving behind an unholy shambles.

No surprises on the back of these Labour copped a boot up the jacksie and got sent down the road
after 6 years of this sort of clueless performance - is it ? ;)

[nztx]

When they get one they may tell us.
A good time for tax cuts? Maybe not.


Better than Tax hikes which seem to be the only thing Labour & Parker likely had planned going
forwards - to fill the large gaping holes excavated through the Left's own incompetent management.

You think the economy is going to dig its way out of the large hole in a hurry by doing nothing
or doubling down with large tax increases to temporarily fill a large gap dug by your Labour mates ? ;)

[dobby41]

Better than Tax hikes which seem to be the only thing Labour & Parker likely had planned going
forwards - to fill the large gaping holes excavated through the Left's own incompetent management.

You think the economy is going to dig its way out of the large hole in a hurry by doing nothing
or doubling down with large tax increases to temporarily fill a large gap dug by your Labour mates ? ;)

Tax hikes - like the Rego fee?
On the campaign trail, National seemed to think that they could cut taxes and increase spending but have found that it is a bit of a dream.
It was pointed out that their numbers didn't add up - they said "trust us, we do numbers" but have now found they are a bit short on funds (and no Labour didn't leave holes as the PERFUE and budgets showed the numbers as they were.

[Joshuatree]

Come on now .. successive Labour Govts have pandied to & aided the vast growth & proliferation
of Local Body Empires since right back when Clark was Leader.

The Local Body's responsibilities to Water issues was exactly their responsibility and Labour
Govt's have just ignored the fact that many Local Bodies were not satisfied their duty at Local Govt
level to now see what we have now ;)

How could Labour Govt's just close their eyes to these issues in the past and then just because
it becomes an issue too large to ignore Labour then decided to make it a national issue and
in their attempts to do create a larger expensive abortion of things ;)


The 757 issue should have been dealt with .. Labour were so busy dilly dallying around throwing bucketfuls
left right & centre. Why was it not dealth with ?

What did sleepy Little achieve while he was overseeing things ? Probably as close to SFA as
not being there at all ;)

No excuses - these sort of things are what we get with clueless misguided Labour Govt's
squandering left, right & centre, ignoring issues then ultimately wonder why they wind up
in a larger shambles ;)

And there are are fair few other areas that resemble the same sort of shambles for an outcome
from Labour meddling, producing close to nothing and leaving behind an unholy shambles.

No surprises on the back of these Labour copped a boot up the jacksie and got sent down the road
after 6 years of this sort of clueless performance - is it ? ;)
Are you a mini me Balance ,sounds like it or do I smell whale blubber?
Labour have replaced the aging Hercules and Orions far more important.Tge 757's also are ancient ,bought 2nd hand and broke down for Key,Adern etc.
I'm looking forward with baited breath to The Cannibal Coalitions solution to councils water woes,what a freaking disaster.Coucils will have so much debt replacing piping etc ,bonds will become junk.
And the increase in taxes ,here we go.Vehicles for one.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/professor-joanna-kidman-says-coalition-government-might-be-a-death-cult-david-seymour-calls-for-resignation-of-anti-extremism-centre-director/G4D4O5EJPNCKJDMDGOCHHSHU6M/

Professor Joanna Kidman says coalition Government might be a ‘death cult’, David Seymour calls for resignation of anti-extremism centre director



The head of a publicly funded anti-extremism centre says the Government might be a “death cult” that “hates children”, leading to calls from the Act Party for her resignation.


Gejus .. sounds a bit extreme .. in fact WTF ? ;)

Did something shake her tree violently ? ;)

[nztx]

Are you a mini me Balance ,sounds like it or do I smell whale blubber?
Labour have replaced the aging Hercules and Orions far more important.Tge 757's also are ancient ,bought 2nd hand and broke down for Key,Adern etc.
I'm looking forward with baited breath to The Cannibal Coalitions solution to councils water woes,what a freaking disaster.Coucils will have so much debt replacing piping etc ,bonds will become junk.
And the increase in taxes ,here we go.Vehicles for one.


Haha nice try .. always had to be the odd one who always was going to miss the incompetent & clueless lot that got
booted and were clearly seen to be sinking into quicksand faster than Robbo's belly button towards the ground on the sausage roll fare .. along with all the large holes and myriad of potholes left behind by them for everyone else to fix ;)

Not heard about the Labour $500 mil advance cough up on the Water disaster (not one pipe touched) up until Labour & Hipkins got given the roll ? ;)

Must have been busy elsewhere or conveniently out to it :)

Look - North Korea, Russia, perhaps Argentina might have a spot more to your liking ;)

Panda might be happy to share why they like Argentina so much ;)

They have plenty of that romping COL spiralling upwards & runaway inflation there, which some from the Left might be more accustomed to ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

Tax hikes - like the Rego fee?
On the campaign trail, National seemed to think that they could cut taxes and increase spending but have found that it is a bit of a dream.
It was pointed out that their numbers didn't add up - they said "trust us, we do numbers" but have now found they are a bit short on funds (and no Labour didn't leave holes as the PERFUE and budgets showed the numbers as they were.

Rego fee, new and higher petrol taxes, online gambling tax, higher fines.

Not even labour could manage to do this.

[iceman]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/professor-joanna-kidman-says-coalition-government-might-be-a-death-cult-david-seymour-calls-for-resignation-of-anti-extremism-centre-director/G4D4O5EJPNCKJDMDGOCHHSHU6M/

Professor Joanna Kidman says coalition Government might be a ‘death cult’, David Seymour calls for resignation of anti-extremism centre director





Gejus .. sounds a bit extreme .. in fact WTF ? ;)

Did something shake her tree violently ? ;)

The squealing from troughers like this woman is deafening. That organisation has achieved nothing, never will and should be shut down.

[nztx]

Rego fee, new and higher petrol taxes, online gambling tax, higher fines.

Not even labour could manage to do this.


You're right .. Labour didn't manage a lot .. leaving behind potholes, a huge fiscal hole, a shambles where the grandiose projects were puffed up to .. megabucks squandered & p!ssed up against the wall in True Labour style and a large hole where it came from all that is to show for it ;)

Don't forget in Aug 2023 Parker going to air on the huge Fuel Tax rise coming up if Labour made it through and probably just the start of the Comrades gutting everything standing even harder to fill the gap they had dug ;)

Of course it's very easy for the Left Leaning to look at increases to fund what Labour had ignored, underfunded and failed to maintain - but knew full well they would if still in, in future .. whilst at the same time they had up to mid 2023 reduced fuel taxes for temporary periods .. :)

[iceman]

Rego fee, new and higher petrol taxes, online gambling tax, higher fines.

Not even labour could manage to do this.

Can you clarify which "new & higher petrol taxes" you are talking about ?

[jonu]

The squealing from troughers like this woman is deafening. That organisation has achieved nothing, never will and should be shut down.

It's just the death throes of another of Jacinda's cockups. Heard from the "Disinformation Project" lately? Here we are 12 months on from her abandoning ship and she and her "legacy" are irrelevant. Quite the achievement. Irrelevancy unfortunately doesn't automatically undo the damage done. That might require 5 terms in the wilderness for Labour. It's what they deserve!

[Balance]

TVNZ woke leftist newsroom staff cuts to be announced tomorrow.

Cannot happen fast enough.

Here’s to the likes of John Campbell getting the sack.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-set-to-announce-job-cuts-as-newsroom-meeting-scheduled-for-thursday-media-insider/FAIMUEPSDJCDNGSWFSRQ3RCZNE/

[blackcap]

TVNZ woke leftist newsroom staff cuts to be announced tomorrow.

Cannot happen fast enough.

Here’s to the likes of John Campbell getting the sack.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-set-to-announce-job-cuts-as-newsroom-meeting-scheduled-for-thursday-media-insider/FAIMUEPSDJCDNGSWFSRQ3RCZNE/

I guess you reap what you sow.

Mind you, they will probably cut the least woke and make that outfit lurch even more to the left. Lets hope Melissa Lee lets it die a natural death.

[nztx]

I guess you reap what you sow.

Mind you, they will probably cut the least woke and make that outfit lurch even more to the left. Lets hope Melissa Lee lets it die a natural death.


You'd probably never hear the end of the screaming from Willie Wonka if his favourite play toy which survived a failed merger c*ck-up was allowed to go out to it's last breath ;)

[mistaTea]

I guess you reap what you sow.

Mind you, they will probably cut the least woke and make that outfit lurch even more to the left. Let’s hope Melissa Lee lets it die a natural death.

From what I can tell, according to the woke MSM the fact that 3 News failed is all her fault.

MSM just digging a deeper grave for themselves.

[Joshuatree]

TVNZ woke leftist newsroom staff cuts to be announced tomorrow.

Cannot happen fast enough.

Here’s to the likes of John Campbell getting the sack.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-set-to-announce-job-cuts-as-newsroom-meeting-scheduled-for-thursday-media-insider/FAIMUEPSDJCDNGSWFSRQ3RCZNE/

More lies from the Blubber stencher, Unbalanced, gotta admire his consistency though ehh, lol.

[nztx]

More lies from the Blubber stencher, Unbalanced, gotta admire his consistency though ehh, lol.


You accusing the Left leaning NZH of publishing Lies now too ? ;)

[Balance]

Over the past four years the sign-up of media outlets to receive $55 million of public funding through the Public Interest Journalism Fund has cemented that mistrust from the public for obvious reasons – most of which, it seems, is lost on the very media outlets that received those funds.


It is a plain fact that for media organisations to be eligible for funding they had to sign up to certain criteria and conditions – including forcing certain narratives of the Labour government at the time. …


One of those conditions is based on a purely political view that is not supported by many New Zealanders or many political parties. It states that the media organisation must “actively promote the principles of partnership, participation and active protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner”. And have a “commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to Māori as a Te Tiriti partner”.


If they didn't sign up to this condition, they wouldn't get the money.


How can a politically neutral and independent media organisation give balanced political commentary, analysis and in particular “opinions”, when this is the basis for the funds they receive for their very survival?


This is the sinister incentivised seed that provides the platform for political bias.


It is a preposterous state of self-denial when they cannot see that the contract they signed is a recipe for bias and corruption.


It has created a media environment where certain leftwing political narratives and agendas have seeped into much of what the media presents to the public – where any opposing views are shutdown, cancelled and labelled as “far right” or “fringe”.

https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Pushing-it.jpeg

[Daytr]

Over the past four years the sign-up of media outlets to receive $55 million of public funding through the Public Interest Journalism Fund has cemented that mistrust from the public for obvious reasons – most of which, it seems, is lost on the very media outlets that received those funds.


It is a plain fact that for media organisations to be eligible for funding they had to sign up to certain criteria and conditions – including forcing certain narratives of the Labour government at the time. …


One of those conditions is based on a purely political view that is not supported by many New Zealanders or many political parties. It states that the media organisation must “actively promote the principles of partnership, participation and active protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner”. And have a “commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to Māori as a Te Tiriti partner”.


If they didn't sign up to this condition, they wouldn't get the money.


How can a politically neutral and independent media organisation give balanced political commentary, analysis and in particular “opinions”, when this is the basis for the funds they receive for their very survival?


This is the sinister incentivised seed that provides the platform for political bias.


It is a preposterous state of self-denial when they cannot see that the contract they signed is a recipe for bias and corruption.


It has created a media environment where certain leftwing political narratives and agendas have seeped into much of what the media presents to the public – where any opposing views are shutdown, cancelled and labelled as “far right” or “fringe”.

https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Pushing-it.jpeg

Let's face it Balance, you don't want balance at all, you want any left leaning journalist sacked & just have one right leaning media.
I'm fact that seems to be what a lot of people seem to want on here.

That is not a functioning democracy.
I wish we were back in the days where journalists just reported the news rather than wrote opinion pieces as is common place now.
However we are a long way from that on both sides of the politically motivated media.

Back in the day TVNZ was all Government funded. TV1 didn't have advertising. The ABC in Australia & SBS didn't have advertising when I was living there.

In some ways the withdrawal of Government funding has been journalist's downfall as they have had to pander to advertising revenues and what is populist or another words garbage rather than serious journalism.

[Balance]

Let's face it Balance, you don't want balance at all, you want any left leaning journalist sacked & just have one right leaning media.
I'm fact that seems to be what a lot of people seem to want on here.

That is not a functioning democracy.
I wish we were back in the days where journalists just reported the news rather than wrote opinion pieces as is common place now.
However we are a long way from that on both sides of the politically motivated media.

Back in the day TVNZ was all Government funded. TV1 didn't have advertising. The ABC in Australia & SBS didn't have advertising when I was living there.

In some ways the withdrawal of Government funding has been journalist's downfall as they have had to pander to advertising revenues and what is populist or another words garbage rather than serious journalism.

Government funding with conditions like promoting a left wing divisive racist agenda? Thank you very much - you can keep the Ardern style government funding and stick it up Hipkins arse.

The woke leftist media & its personnel are reaping what they sowed - mistrust and disdain (actually disgust) at their hypocrisy and lack of integrity & moral bearings.

Nothing to do with me wanting them all sacked etc - the public has voted with their ratings and that’s why the woke leftist media are failing.

And good riddance to garbage indeed - Newshub last week, TVNZ today, RNZ tomorrow and so on & so forth. Arse-kissing and arse-licking media - disgusting to say the least.

[Panda-NZ-]

Further developments in apartment-gate.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-reportedly-stayed-at-premier-house-over-christmas-despite-saying-it-s-unlivable.html

Premier house was good enough for him to stay at for his christmas holidays.

Any excuse for the "entitlement mentality" he holds. The same man who took a limo to cross the street.

[Balance]

Reaping what the wokew leftist media sowed in the last 6 years :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-job-cuts-more-than-60-roles-to-go-6pm-news-current-affairs-shows-in-spotlight-media-insider/IY75EIIKRRDU3ASX6AB47C7KR4/

Up to 68 roles at TVNZ will be cut to ensure the company “remains sustainable”, the state broadcaster has announced today.

TVNZ’s news boss Phil O’Sullivan has told staff in an internal email the proposed cuts are “devastating”.

In a statement, TVNZ chief executive Jodi O’Donnell said tough economic conditions and structural challenges within the media sector were affecting revenue performance.

Difficult choices needed to be made “to ensure TVNZ remains sustainable”.

The statement says the cuts are across “all business areas” but Media Insider understands there is a heavy focus on news and current affairs, where at least 35 jobs could go.

It is understood several of TVNZ’s top news shows are in the spotlight, with earlier reports the likes of the 6pm news could be cut back to half an hour.

[ynot]

Further developments in apartment-gate.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-reportedly-stayed-at-premier-house-over-christmas-despite-saying-it-s-unlivable.html

Premier house was good enough for him to stay at for his christmas holidays.

Any excuse for the "entitlement mentality" he holds. The same man who took a limo to cross the street.

Get over it Panda. Calling it entitlement is only exposing your envy for Luxons personal success.

[Panda-NZ-]

It's our money he's doing it with though (esp when he has plenty of tax free personal investments).

Not counting his $4m salary at state-owned air NZ.

[jonu]

Further developments in apartment-gate.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-reportedly-stayed-at-premier-house-over-christmas-despite-saying-it-s-unlivable.html

Premier house was good enough for him to stay at for his christmas holidays.

Any excuse for the "entitlement mentality" he holds. The same man who took a limo to cross the street.

Ajenda Lynch-mob continuing to show why people distrust MSM. Luxon spends a couple of nights at Premier House at a time when no reno work would have been going on. (Christmas). The sooner Lynch departs "news" the better. Labour routinely squandered tens of millions on projects that didn't proceed. MSM take tens of millions of bribes from Ardern. Nothing untoward they say (except the ones who had the moral fibre not to take it.) Luxon takes a 52k allowance to which he is entitled by rules he didn't implement and Ajenda does her rag. Pathetic.

[Blue Skies]

Get over it Panda. Calling it entitlement is only exposing your envy for Luxons personal success.



I can tell you, most wealthy successful people think Luxon embarrassed & humiliated himself claiming an accomodation allowance.
For goodness sake, what other Prime Minister or leader of a country, who also happens to be a High wealth individual, goes about claiming an "accomodation allowance" to live in his own home, & then pleads he's "entitled to it" !
It's embarrassing, undignified, makes him look mean, self entitled & small minded.
And its astonishing his minders didn't advise him not to, unless they did & he ignored them.

He's supposed to be the Prime Minister, not some grasping little backbencher looking for every taxpayer perk he can get his mitts on.
Not one PM in the last 35 years has claimed it until Chris Luxon.

"Im entitled, entitled" he kept repeating & then terrible choice of words for a PM, dismissively labels $52,000 "becoming a distraction," in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

[Balance]

I can tell you, most wealthy successful people think Luxon embarrassed & humiliated himself claiming an accomodation allowance.
For goodness sake, what other Prime Minister or leader of a country, who also happens to be a High wealth individual, goes about claiming an "accomodation allowance" to live in his own home, & then pleads he's "entitled to it" !
It's embarrassing, undignified, makes him look mean, self entitled & small minded.
And its astonishing his minders didn't advise him not to, unless they did & he ignored them.

He's supposed to be the Prime Minister, not some grasping little backbencher looking for every taxpayer perk he can get his mitts on.
Not one PM in the last 35 years has claimed it until Chris Luxon.

"Im entitled, entitled" he kept repeating & then terrible choice of words for a PM, dismissively labels $52,000 "becoming a distraction," in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

And he has used his 'drop dead/fxck you' money and showed the MSM that it is petty & not important to him.

They (and you) can thrashed about, twisting and creating a scene over an entitlement but NZers are so over the petty pathetic whinging and moaning of Labour, the Greens and the likes of you - especially when Labour squandered billions of dollars and corrupted the media as well.

The attacks on him by the woke media in the last 2 years have actually galvanised white middle class NZers towards supporting him - they know he is not in politics for the money unlike the greedy left (refer Grant Robertson & Ardern). They also know what's fair and what's not.

Appointing Clare Curran (fired as a minister for deceiving and lying) to the Council of Otago University and she in turn, appointing Grant Robertson (failed minister of finance) as VC on a $600+ package - now that's entitlement. No coverage of that of course in the MSM.

The 2008 gang - Clare conniving Curran, Clueless Cindy, Hapless Hipkins and Grant 'Lovely Boys' Robertson :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/Db71aWPXWfIy__536NGvGMsTBrY=/1440x1130/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/FKGFS6YWQRB5LAVJFO2TFEKCYU.png

[nztx]

I can tell you, most wealthy successful people think Luxon embarrassed & humiliated himself claiming an accomodation allowance.
For goodness sake, what other Prime Minister or leader of a country, who also happens to be a High wealth individual, goes about claiming an "accomodation allowance" to live in his own home, & then pleads he's "entitled to it" !
It's embarrassing, undignified, makes him look mean, self entitled & small minded.
And its astonishing his minders didn't advise him not to, unless they did & he ignored them.

He's supposed to be the Prime Minister, not some grasping little backbencher looking for every taxpayer perk he can get his mitts on.
Not one PM in the last 35 years has claimed it until Chris Luxon.

"Im entitled, entitled" he kept repeating & then terrible choice of words for a PM, dismissively labels $52,000 "becoming a distraction," in the middle of a cost of living crisis.


But in Reality How many Wealthy Successful people know BS and vice versa or want to ? ;)

What a load of BS :)


Look no further than Failed Project "Populist Labour" now laying in tatters with rats jumping overboard left right and centre after one of most destructive wasteful periods of Labour administration ever seen for the sort of ideals a minority of twits were happy to rock along to .. and you come here attacking the next one on fix up mission ? ;)

Go figure :)

[dobby41]

I can tell you, most wealthy successful people think Luxon embarrassed & humiliated himself claiming an accomodation allowance.

Luxon was happy to use Premier House for an extended family shindig at Christmas though.
Such a hypocrite, and such poor political judgment.

[Balance]

Luxon was happy to use Premier House for an extended family shindig at Christmas though.
Such a hypocrite, and such poor political judgment.

Keep with the petty stuff, dobby41. :t_up:

Shows just how devoid of ideas and inspirations Ardern devotees and Labourites are these days as revelation after revelation comes out of just how useless and incompetent the Labour government was.

[jonu]

Luxon was happy to use Premier House for an extended family shindig at Christmas though.
Such a hypocrite, and such poor political judgment.

You've said you are a large scale landlord previously dobby41. You have responsibility to make sure your tenants live in "Healthy Homes" standards. Premier House doesn't meet those standards. Why would we expect our PM to put up with that? Enough of the teeth gnashing character assassination. Hipkins and Andersen started a planned campaign of smears and it's blown up in their faces. The butt-hurt media just hasn't figured it out yet. Maybe they won't before the lights go out on MSM.

[dobby41]

You've said you are a large scale landlord previously dobby41. You have responsibility to make sure your tenants live in "Healthy Homes" standards. Premier House doesn't meet those standards. Why would we expect our PM to put up with that? Enough of the teeth gnashing character assassination. Hipkins and Andersen started a planned campaign of smears and it's blown up in their faces. The butt-hurt media just hasn't figured it out yet. Maybe they won't before the lights go out on MSM.

You do know that Hipkins (whom you accuse of all sorts of entitlement things) was also entitled to claim the $1k/month allowance even though he has a residence in Lower Hutt but didn't?
The PM is the only MP where the 'normal place of residence' rule doesn't apply.

Luxon is assassinating his own character by his actions (and inactions).

[jonu]

You do know that Hipkins (whom you accuse of all sorts of entitlement things) was also entitled to claim the $1k/month allowance even though he has a residence in Lower Hutt but didn't?
The PM is the only MP where the 'normal place of residence' rule doesn't apply.

Luxon is assassinating his own character by his actions (and inactions).

Hipkins (who I don't believe I have accused of any "entitlement things") is from the Hutt as he loved to remind us. Luxon's main residence would be Auckland.

Healthy Homes dobb41?

52k issue where Labour squandered billions. Says a lot about the analytical skills and priorities of our resident Labourites and MSM. Both continue to misread the room. People have had enough of the virtue signaling BS and voted that way.

[Balance]

You do know that Hipkins (whom you accuse of all sorts of entitlement things) was also entitled to claim the $1k/month allowance even though he has a residence in Lower Hutt but didn't?
The PM is the only MP where the 'normal place of residence' rule doesn't apply.

Luxon is assassinating his own character by his actions (and inactions).

But 8 of Labour's MPs and ministers did.

Then, there's Clare Curran appointed to Otago University Council (after being fired for deceitful behaviour) and then, in return she appointed Grant Robertson as VP on $600k+ salary. Corrupted & corrosive conduct to the core.

[dobby41]

You've said you are a large scale landlord previously dobby41. You have responsibility to make sure your tenants live in "Healthy Homes" standards. Premier House doesn't meet those standards. Why would we expect our PM to put up with that?

Unfortunately neither do a lot of State houses at the moment.

[dobby41]

But 8 of Labour's MPs and ministers did.

Then, there's Clare Curran appointed to Otago University Council (after being fired for deceitful behaviour) and then, appointing Grant Robertson as VP on $600k+ salary. Corrupted to the core.

And many National, Act, NZ1st, Green and Te Pati Maori - but not is their base was in Wellington.
The PM is the only one who can claim even if they live locally.
Remember Bill English - family lived in Wellington but he designates Dipton as his normal residence (even though the kids were going to Wellington schools) to claim the accommodation allowance.

And National never appoints their own to any position?
Was Claire the sole decision maker? No she wasn't!

[Balance]

And many National, Act, NZ1st, Green and Te Pati Maori - but not is their base was in Wellington.
The PM is the only one who can claim even if they live locally.
Remember Bill English - family lived in Wellington but he designates Dipton as his normal residence (even though the kids were going to Wellington schools) to claim the accommodation allowance.

And National never appoints their own to any position?
Was Claire the sole decision maker? No she wasn't!

But there’s no hypocrites from the other parties crying crocodile tears about MPs and ministers claiming the accommodation entitlement - only Labour.

You obviously have not bothered to read up on how corrupted the selection process was to appoint Grant Robertson as VC. I suggest you do.

[nztx]

Hipkins (who I don't believe I have accused of any "entitlement things") is from the Hutt as he loved to remind us. Luxon's main residence would be Auckland.

Healthy Homes dobb41?

52k issue where Labour squandered billions. Says a lot about the analytical skills and priorities of our resident Labourites and MSM. Both continue to misread the room. People have had enough of the virtue signaling BS and voted that way.


exactly - well put

[dobby41]

Hipkins (who I don't believe I have accused of any "entitlement things") is from the Hutt as he loved to remind us. Luxon's main residence would be Auckland.

Healthy Homes dobb41?

52k issue where Labour squandered billions. Says a lot about the analytical skills and priorities of our resident Labourites and MSM. Both continue to misread the room. People have had enough of the virtue signaling BS and voted that way.

Hipkins was still entitled to claim $1k/mth while he was PM (and didn't) - only PMs don't have the 'normal residence' test.

Healthy Homes - seems only Luxon is worried about that for himself.
Maybe he will boost state house renovation also?

The issue for Luxon wasn't his entitlement - it was that he misread the political side of things (the optics of it). Do as I say not as I do.

[dobby41]

But there’s no hypocrites from the other parties crying crocodile tears about MPs and ministers claiming the accommodation entitlement - only Labour.

You obviously have not bothered to read up on how corrupted the selection process was to appoint Grant Robertson as VC. I suggest you do.

'But there's' is very poor English grammar (expand the contraction and you'll hear your error). 'But there are' would be better.

I still don't get what you are on about regarding other MPs claiming - this only applies to PMs but you seem to be unable to keep this on track.
Last year Luxon claimed $36k for the same apartment, this year it was worth $52k for him.

When people say 'you obviously' it isn't usually obvious at all - they are just trying to assume a superior position when it doesn't exist.
You have no idea what I have or haven't read. Just because I pick and choose what I engage with you on doesn't mean I don't know about the other bits - generally, I just can't be bothered with your tripe.

[Balance]

'But there's' is very poor English grammar (expand the contraction and you'll hear your error). 'But there are' would be better.

I still don't get what you are on about regarding other MPs claiming - this only applies to PMs but you seem to be unable to keep this on track.
Last year Luxon claimed $36k for the same apartment, this year it was worth $52k for him.

When people say 'you obviously' it isn't usually obvious at all - they are just trying to assume a superior position when it doesn't exist.
You have no idea what I have or haven't read. Just because I pick and choose what I engage with you on doesn't mean I don't know about the other bits - generally, I just can't be bothered with your tripe.

Thanks for correcting my grammar - as petty as ever but if that rocks your sad little world where Ardern wasted and blew billions of dollars but you make a big deal of $1,000 a week, please continue!

Here's another big deal - Grant Robertson's appointment as VC :

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/02/22/rob-macculloch-grant-robertsons-new-job-sends-an-awful-message-to-students-about-meritocracy-in-nz/

But you probably prefer the petty ‘Pretty Phillipines Boys’ episode of his Instagram account?

[jonu]

Thanks for correcting my grammar - as petty as ever but if that rocks your sad little world, please continue!

Here's the oil on Grant (Pretty Philippines boys) Robertson's appointment as VC :

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/02/22/rob-macculloch-grant-robertsons-new-job-sends-an-awful-message-to-students-about-meritocracy-in-nz/

Appalling nepotism from Labour to keep their mate's snouts in the trough and ensure a Leftie bent to Otago.
There needs to be an audit of the process.

Here's the most damning part

So here’s the puzzle. On 14 June 2023, Otago University announced that Professor David Murdoch had resigned as Vice-Chancellor (VC), after being on sick leave since March. The university said Helen Nicholson would continue as acting Vice-Chancellor until a permanent replacement was found following a “global search”.

It appears, however, that the global search did not begin in haste. It wasn’t until September 21 that The Otago Daily Times reported, “Uni’s search for new vice-chancellor begins“.

There’s a link to the job ad below. It says: Application Deadline: October 20, 2023, & states that an “inspirational servant leader of high intellectual standing, ideally obtained through experience in an academic environment” is sought.

By the ads own wording, the “ideal” candidate was never to be found, former Finance Minister Grant Robertson, who got the job, having never worked in such an environment.

You can make your own deductions – here are my queries: if the above evidence is correct, isn’t a global job search for such a huge position paying $629,000 per annum that begins & ends in little over 4 weeks short?

Was it a coincidence that the closing date was fixed at six days after NZ’s 2023 General Election (on 14 October).

Did Robertson put in his application between Election Day on 14 October & the closing date of 20 October when he knew he would not be returning as Finance Minister?

Wouldn’t that make sense – since how could he have applied earlier? Doing so would have meant that a sitting Minister of Finance who was involved in funding the university was at the same time applying to run it. Did Otago time its VC application closing date to enable Robertson to apply after he knew the election result?

Since Otago is a public university funded by us, shouldn’t we know what has gone on there? After all, the taxpayer is coughing up $3.1 million for this five year contract. Shouldn’t we know whether Otago had a preferred candidate even before their job search began, despite in their own words that candidate not being “ideally” suited?

Sources:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/david-murdoch-quits-otago-university-boss

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/uni%E2%80%99s-searh-new-vice-chancellor-begins

https://ucareers.com/jobdetail-195240-vice-chancellor

[Getty]

Will Benedict Collins be feeling very blessed once TV1 have a tidy up, or will his surname change to Culledout?

At least Micheal Wood fron ETU will be able to show him how to swim up the river, against the flow.

[Daytr]

From Bryan Bruce. Pretty funny.

Scene : The School Principal’s Office
FX: Knock knock!

Principal: Ah! Chris. Come in.

Chris: You wanted to see me sir?

Principal: Yes Chris. You’ve been Head Boy now for what.. just on 100 days?

Chris: Yes sir.

Principal: And what positive things have you achieved for the school in that time?

Chrs: Well, I..(hesitates trying to think of something)

Principal : (frustrated ) Look Chris… we chose you as Head Boy to take the school forwards. Instead- what have you done? You’ve taken us backwards!

Chris : It’s not my fault sir..they won’t do what I tell them.

Principal: Who won’t ?

Chirs: Winston and David sir. They gang up on me.

Principal : How do you mean?

Chris : (starts to look a bit weepy) Sometimes they call me names..

Principal : What sort of names?

Chris: Lux Flakes...

Principal: Why's that?

Chris: Don't know they just do! (sniffs).... And ..sometimes they corner me in the Prefect’s Room and say I won’t be Head Boy anymore if I don’t do what they say. ( sniffs again )

Principal: What do they want you to do?

Chris : (hesitates) …They say because I'm Head Boy I should ask you for things.

Principal: What kind of things?

Chris: Like can we make change the name of playtime to ‘smoko’?

Principal: Why?

Chris: So we can smoke or vape sir.

Principal: Whose idea was that?

Chris: Umm .. Winston and Casey.

Principal: Who’s Casey?

Chris: She hangs out with Winston.

Principal: ( clearly not happy) mmm…What else?

Chris: Well David says we should stop giving lunches away at school.

Principal: Why?

Chris: Save money..

Principal: Why?

Chris: So we can buy other things.

Principal: Like what?

Chris: Well.. like..Guns.

Principal: Guns? What kind of guns?

Chris : umm…Semi -automatics.. David's friend Nicole says they are good fun and we should be allowed them at school to play with .

Principal: (incredulous) What??

Chris : Just for sport sir. And you’ d have to be in the gun club to fire them.

Principal: Do YOU think those are good ideas that will make our school better Chris? Do you??

Chris : Well… I don’t know..really…I…

Principal: No you don’t do you Chris …You'll say anything just to stay Head Boy ..... I have to say Chris you are letting us all down ...Are you proud of yourself?

Chris: I…( hesitates)

Principal : (Frustrated) Tuck your shirt in Chris .. and why aren’t you wearing a tie?

Chris: The Year 9’s like it sir. Makes me more accessible.

Principal: (Rolls eyes) Good grief…

(pause) So ..do you have a plan for the next 100 days?

Chris: (looks downcast) Not really.

Principal: ( sighs)

Close the door on your way out would you Chris?

#bryanbruce #nzpol #NZPolitics

(In the style of a skit about Malcolm Turnbull by the late John Clarke and Bryan Dawe remembered with a smile and affection)

[nztx]

From Bryan Bruce. Pretty funny.


<<<< C R O P P E D >>>>>>>

a smile and affection)



Got the earlier one with the other Chris leading up to going in for his final caning ? ;)

[Blue Skies]

There's a few on here who'll be eating their words after suggesting only Labour cared about PM Luxon grasping, sorry claiming the $52,000 accomodation allowance to live in one of his own homes, and that the attacks on him by the woke media are only galvanising support for him!

Seems not!

I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/latest-poll-christopher-luxons-popularity-crashes-after-allowance-blunder-now-trails-chris-hipkins/IFN35O3GGJGMDF7AEV73HI254U/

[Baa_Baa]

Gosh, Labour is down 2.6 points to 25.3 per cent, its lowest ever performance in the poll.

[jonu]

There's a few on here who'll be eating their words after suggesting only Labour cared about PM Luxon grasping, sorry claiming the $52,000 accomodation allowance to live in one of his own homes, and that the attacks on him by the woke media are only galvanising support for him!

Seems not!

I hate to say I told you so, but.... I told you so.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/latest-poll-christopher-luxons-popularity-crashes-after-allowance-blunder-now-trails-chris-hipkins/IFN35O3GGJGMDF7AEV73HI254U/

Seems like the electorate is grumpy with both major parties...Labour more so. Nett favorability? Seriously, who other than BlueSkies and dobby41 are clamouring for a return of the Chipster. He's been sent back to the 6th form, somewhere he fits right in.

[fungus pudding]

Gosh, Labour is down 2.6 points to 25.3 per cent, its lowest ever performance in the poll.

Oh dear: how sad - never mind.

[Balance]

Hypocrisy of woke leftist journalist in full display :

Let’s start with the Hurricane’s haka, where player Leilani Perese is unapologetic for making such a blatantly political statement. As she says in her own words:

“I don’t care. I believe in what we’re saying, I stand by it. I believe that in rugby, we have a platform where people watch and listen. And why not use our platform to show our people we will never fold?”


So, sport can and should be a platform for personal views? Tell that to the likes of Israel Folau or other players who have been silenced for their views. You see, consistency matters. Either people can use their sport’s platform or not to express their views. Yet, as we often observe these days, freedom to speak only applies if you are buying into the progressive, liberal, or woke issues.

This is well-illustrated further by the ramblings of reporter Liam Napier from the NZ Herald.

He notes of the haka:

“While the translated haka terminology is jarring, freedom of speech in a democratic society is a fundamental right. Debate and dissemination are imperative to holding those in power to account. And who could possibly argue using haka as a powerful vehicle to protest Māori rights is not appropriate.”

"Lastly, on the subject of appropriateness, the petulant responses to the haka from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Act leader David Seymour, both of whom derided the Poua on field performance, speaks to the thin-skinned nature of those two men."


And yet, a few years back when discussing Folau:

“Personally I don't feel great sympathy for Folau. Putting religion to one side, he repeatedly contravened agreements with his employer and eventually paid the ultimate price by detonating his career on the eve of rugby's global showpiece.”


It seems lost on this reporter that they both have contracts that state clearly what they should and should not say. The only difference is that he agrees with one view, and not the other. No wonder people are voting with their feet and wallets when it comes to mainstream media.

Face of woke hypocrite reporter : Liam Napier

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/e2QF5GA4tFEzIsTTZV6nEiUURTE=/1440x810/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/WTRAQ5FXQ2JTDFMZZZPYKVSGFQ.jpg

[jonu]

Hypocrisy of woke leftist journalist in full display :

Let’s start with the Hurricane’s haka, where player Leilani Perese is unapologetic for making such a blatantly political statement. As she says in her own words:

“I don’t care. I believe in what we’re saying, I stand by it. I believe that in rugby, we have a platform where people watch and listen. And why not use our platform to show our people we will never fold?”


So, sport can and should be a platform for personal views? Tell that to the likes of Israel Folau or other players who have been silenced for their views. You see, consistency matters. Either people can use their sport’s platform or not to express their views. Yet, as we often observe these days, freedom to speak only applies if you are buying into the progressive, liberal, or woke issues.

This is well-illustrated further by the ramblings of reporter Liam Napier from the NZ Herald.

He notes of the haka:

“While the translated haka terminology is jarring, freedom of speech in a democratic society is a fundamental right. Debate and dissemination are imperative to holding those in power to account. And who could possibly argue using haka as a powerful vehicle to protest Māori rights is not appropriate.”

"Lastly, on the subject of appropriateness, the petulant responses to the haka from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Act leader David Seymour, both of whom derided the Poua on field performance, speaks to the thin-skinned nature of those two men."


And yet, a few years back when discussing Folau:

“Personally I don't feel great sympathy for Folau. Putting religion to one side, he repeatedly contravened agreements with his employer and eventually paid the ultimate price by detonating his career on the eve of rugby's global showpiece.”


It seems lost on this reporter that they both have contracts that state clearly what they should and should not say. The only difference is that he agrees with one view, and not the other. No wonder people are voting with their feet and wallets when it comes to mainstream media.

Face of woke hypocrite reporter : Liam Napier

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/e2QF5GA4tFEzIsTTZV6nEiUURTE=/1440x810/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/WTRAQ5FXQ2JTDFMZZZPYKVSGFQ.jpg

I suppose Liam is either having a memory lapse or is FOS. Maybe both. Actually....definitely both.

[Balance]

I suppose Liam is either having a memory lapse or is FOS. Maybe both. Actually....definitely both.

He should have stuck to writing about sports where he has some currency.

Now his views have no currency, save with his fellow woke leftists who are a vanishing breed.

[Daytr]

Hypocrisy of woke leftist journalist in full display :

Let’s start with the Hurricane’s haka, where player Leilani Perese is unapologetic for making such a blatantly political statement. As she says in her own words:

“I don’t care. I believe in what we’re saying, I stand by it. I believe that in rugby, we have a platform where people watch and listen. And why not use our platform to show our people we will never fold?”


So, sport can and should be a platform for personal views? Tell that to the likes of Israel Folau or other players who have been silenced for their views. You see, consistency matters. Either people can use their sport’s platform or not to express their views. Yet, as we often observe these days, freedom to speak only applies if you are buying into the progressive, liberal, or woke issues.

This is well-illustrated further by the ramblings of reporter Liam Napier from the NZ Herald.

He notes of the haka:

“While the translated haka terminology is jarring, freedom of speech in a democratic society is a fundamental right. Debate and dissemination are imperative to holding those in power to account. And who could possibly argue using haka as a powerful vehicle to protest Māori rights is not appropriate.”

"Lastly, on the subject of appropriateness, the petulant responses to the haka from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Act leader David Seymour, both of whom derided the Poua on field performance, speaks to the thin-skinned nature of those two men."


And yet, a few years back when discussing Folau:

“Personally I don't feel great sympathy for Folau. Putting religion to one side, he repeatedly contravened agreements with his employer and eventually paid the ultimate price by detonating his career on the eve of rugby's global showpiece.”


It seems lost on this reporter that they both have contracts that state clearly what they should and should not say. The only difference is that he agrees with one view, and not the other. No wonder people are voting with their feet and wallets when it comes to mainstream media.

Face of woke hypocrite reporter : Liam Napier

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/e2QF5GA4tFEzIsTTZV6nEiUURTE=/1440x810/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/WTRAQ5FXQ2JTDFMZZZPYKVSGFQ.jpg

Not often I agree with you Balance but I do on this occasion. It must be a leap year...

[Getty]

Did it dawn on any of the small minded jealous Lefties that Lux is under no obligation to live in the apartment he owns in Wellington.

He could have it rented out for his own reward, then rent a penthouse at taxpayer expense while PM.

Why should he short change himself to appease the covetous ones because of a media beat up?

What thanks will he get?

Why should he effectively donate the free use of his apartment to the ungrateful?
.

[Panda-NZ-]

Why should he short change himself to appease the covetous ones because of a media beat up?

He's the one complaining about alleged entitlement of those on the lowest incomes. While he helps himself to taxpayer money.

[Getty]

He's the one complaining about alleged entitlement of those on the lowest incomes. While he helps himself to taxpayer money.

Not helping himself at all, he's now making a donation, and the Left don't want to concede that.

If Hone Harawira was the PM, and slotted into a flash penthouse whilst in Wellington, the Left would chant ah, good on him, he deserves it.

[Getty]

Lux would have considered pitching a tent in Parliament Grounds, but Mallard told him to duck off, making that mode and location unpopular.

[Blue Skies]

Did it dawn on any of the small minded jealous Lefties that Lux is under no obligation to live in the apartment he owns in Wellington.

He could have it rented out for his own reward, then rent a penthouse at taxpayer expense while PM.

Why should he short change himself to appease the covetous ones because of a media beat up?

What thanks will he get?

Why should he effectively donate the free use of his apartment to the ungrateful?
.





You sound a lot like one of those poor rural working class voters who fanatically defends billionaire Trump no matter what he's does.

Luxon's preaching austerity & "no more free rides on the taxpayer," & "those who can pay should pay."
He claims he's a good steward of taxpayers money, that he will see taxpayers get good value for money.
He's demanding sacrifices from all of us, cuts to Public Services, putting thousands of people out of jobs, losing their livelihoods.

So this seriously questions his integrity & credibility as a leader. What sort of an example is he setting? What sort of role model?

Apart from that, its ridiculous & embarrassing for someone who's the leader of a wealthy Western Nation & a High Wealth individual, who owns 7 houses mortgage free, to actively claim an 'accomodation allowance' like a Benificiary to live in one of his own homes.

We are not some banana republic.
Think about it again. He's supposed to be the PM.

It wouldn't surprise if you lived in the US, you would be a MAGA supporter.

[Getty]

You sound a lot like one of those poor rural working class voters who fanatically defends billionaire Trump no matter what he's does.

Luxon's preaching austerity & "no more free rides on the taxpayer," & "those who can pay should pay."
He claims he's a good steward of taxpayers money, that he will see taxpayers get good value for money.
He's demanding sacrifices from all of us, cuts to Public Services, putting thousands of people out of jobs, losing their livelihoods.

So this seriously questions his integrity & credibility as a leader. What sort of an example is he setting? What sort of role model?

Apart from that, its ridiculous & embarrassing for someone who's the leader of a wealthy Western Nation & a High Wealth individual, who owns 7 houses mortgage free, to actively claim an 'accomodation allowance' like a Benificiary to live in one of his own homes.

We are not some banana republic.
Think about it again. He's supposed to be the PM.

It wouldn't surprise if you lived in the US, you would be a MAGA supporter.

You have gone off on an unnecessary tangent speculating on what sort of person l may be.

I believe in fair play.
To stick to the issue, you want a double standard.

If Lux has worked hard to own 7 houses, he has to accommodate himself while serving as PM in Wellington, according to you.

What if none of the 7 were in Wellington?

But if as I've already exampled, Hone was PM, and took the $52k, and then to add to your point, left the bloated state sector as is, or even worse, added to it, you would say Bravo!

Which one of the 2 is costing the taxpayers more?

And if Labour Greens had not bloated the State Sector with so many extra staff, for no positive outcome, then Lux would not have to trim them back to the same extent, for the good of the nation, would he?

[Blue Skies]

You have gone off on an unnecessary tangent speculating on what sort of person l may be.

I believe in fair play.
To stick to the issue, you want a double standard.

If Lux has worked hard to own 7 houses, he has to accommodate himself while serving as PM in Wellington, according to you.

What if none of the 7 were in Wellington?

But if as I've already exampled, Hone was PM, and took the $52k, and then to add to your point, left the bloated state sector as is, or even worse, added to it, you would say Bravo!

Which one of the 2 is costing the taxpayers more?

And if Labour Greens had not bloated the State Sector with so many extra staff, for no positive outcome, then Lux would not have to trim them back to the same extent, for the good of the nation, would he?



Hey Getty, apologies for suggesting you might be like a Trump supporter, just playing kick backs, I get a lot of personal insults on here & was not serious.

To use your example I think Hone Harawira would definitely live in Premier House, & if he chose not to & instead claim $52,000 & go and live in a luxury apartment would be pilloried by his own constituency & both the Right & Left.
Regardless of his politics, he's considered a 'straight up guy,' a man of his people, with a strong sense of integrity.



And to FTG, I & others who you like to neatly pigeonhole as being on the Left, regularly are personally attacked with insults, you've done it yourself, so please just think twice before throwing stones in glasshouses.

[nztx]

Hey Getty, apologies for suggesting you might be like a Trump supporter, just playing kick backs, I get a lot of personal insults on here & was not serious.

To use your example I think Hone Harawira would definitely live in Premier House, & if he chose not to & instead claim $52,000 & go and live in a luxury apartment would be pilloried by his own constituency & both the Right & Left.
Regardless of his politics, he's considered a 'straight up guy,' a man of his people, with a strong sense of integrity.



And to FTG, I & others who you like to neatly pigeonhole as being on the Left, regularly are personally attacked with insults, you've done it yourself, so please just think twice before throwing stones in glasshouses.



Hey BS .. a fair bit of commonsense keeping head down .. then you wouldn't be seen to be provoking the resident ST natives here to throw so many accolades & love letters your way ;)

[iceman]

Hypocrisy of woke leftist journalist in full display :

Let’s start with the Hurricane’s haka, where player Leilani Perese is unapologetic for making such a blatantly political statement. As she says in her own words:

“I don’t care. I believe in what we’re saying, I stand by it. I believe that in rugby, we have a platform where people watch and listen. And why not use our platform to show our people we will never fold?”


So, sport can and should be a platform for personal views? Tell that to the likes of Israel Folau or other players who have been silenced for their views. You see, consistency matters. Either people can use their sport’s platform or not to express their views. Yet, as we often observe these days, freedom to speak only applies if you are buying into the progressive, liberal, or woke issues.

This is well-illustrated further by the ramblings of reporter Liam Napier from the NZ Herald.

He notes of the haka:

“While the translated haka terminology is jarring, freedom of speech in a democratic society is a fundamental right. Debate and dissemination are imperative to holding those in power to account. And who could possibly argue using haka as a powerful vehicle to protest Māori rights is not appropriate.”

"Lastly, on the subject of appropriateness, the petulant responses to the haka from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Act leader David Seymour, both of whom derided the Poua on field performance, speaks to the thin-skinned nature of those two men."


And yet, a few years back when discussing Folau:

“Personally I don't feel great sympathy for Folau. Putting religion to one side, he repeatedly contravened agreements with his employer and eventually paid the ultimate price by detonating his career on the eve of rugby's global showpiece.”


It seems lost on this reporter that they both have contracts that state clearly what they should and should not say. The only difference is that he agrees with one view, and not the other. No wonder people are voting with their feet and wallets when it comes to mainstream media.

Face of woke hypocrite reporter : Liam Napier

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/e2QF5GA4tFEzIsTTZV6nEiUURTE=/1440x810/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/WTRAQ5FXQ2JTDFMZZZPYKVSGFQ.jpg

I have quit my subscription of the Herald today and written to Rydges Hotels where I stay on a fairly regular basis and told them I will no longer stay with them. They are Hurricanes sponsors. I won’t be doing any business with any of the Hurricanes sponsors from now on, unless the condemn this racist crap.

[Joshuatree]

I have quit my subscription of the Herald today and written to Rydges Hotels that I frequent on a regular basis and told them I will no longer stay with them. They are Hurricanes sponsors. I won;t be doing any business with any of the Hurricanes sponsors from now on, unless the condemn this racist crap.

Expect alot more activism son.Natural when you have something taken away from you which thisCannibal Collective govt is doing.

[iceman]

Expect alot more activism son.Natural when you have something taken away from you which thisCannibal Collective govt is doing.

What has been taken from the Hurricanes womens rugby team ? Maybe this entry into politics will get a few more bums on seats when they play. The current 30 odd supporters sure as hell don’t pay for the cost of running this team and their consistently lousy on field performance is unlikely to attract more

[mistaTea]

What has been taken from the Hurricanes womens rugby team ? Maybe this entry into politics will get a few more bums on seats when they play. The current 30 odd supporters sure as hell don’t pay for the cost of running this team and their consistently lousy on field performance is unlikely to attract more

Looks the media translators et al jumped the gun a bit on the translation, to keep the political saga going?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/511295/hurricanes-poua-say-haka-misconstrued-as-political-attack

[blackcap]

Looks the media translators et al jumped the gun a bit on the translation, to keep the political saga going?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/511295/hurricanes-poua-say-haka-misconstrued-as-political-attack

I thought in the Maori tradition, wahine were not allowed to perform haka?

[mistaTea]

I thought in the Maori tradition, wahine were not allowed to perform haka?

Well, we could all benefit from a New Testament…

[blackcap]

Well, we could all benefit from a New Testament…

I don't disagree about the New Testament bit, but which prophet deemed it was ok? I remember back in the day Helen Clarke was not even allowed to speak...

[jonu]

I thought in the Maori tradition, wahine were not allowed to perform haka?

They wouldn't have led them in the presence of their own men. Too dangerous. It's the same with the wero when welcoming onto the marae. The karanga (female) calls from a place of safety, while the males go and check the manuhiri out. If speeches are held out on the marea atea (sacred spot in front of the wharenui) it would also be unusual for women to speak, as that too was a dangerous place. That is my understanding.

Things can get feisty during a powhiri. Sometimes they don't go well. Not common, but it happens. The Ngati Whatua/Tainui verbal stoush at Matatini last year is an example.

[mistaTea]

I don't disagree about the New Testament bit, but which prophet deemed it was ok? I remember back in the day Helen Clarke was not even allowed to speak...

Though haka is traditionally done by men I think there are some historical instances where women did it too. Or something akin to a haka anyway.

As pre-European Maori history is oral, there are limited tales of these instances though.

[Balance]

Another woke leftist academic appointee by Labour uncovered.

So WTF are they teaching at the universities?

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/03/just_a_neutral_academic.html#google_vignette

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzZlvtbgAAjhra?format=jpg&name=large

Just a neutral academic

For those who can't see the graphics, the co-chair of the Health Coalition Aotearoa (Professor Lisa Te Morenga - Massey University) tweeted:

We now have a fascist white supremacist government
She hopes David Seymour never breeds
The Government has a deliberate policy to kill off Maori

Yet this person gets treated by the media as a neutral expert, with masses of air and print time. Now imagine a right leaning academic said the Ardern Government was a Marxist racist Government, how Jacinda should never breed, and they have a deliberate policy to kill off Europeans. How much media space would that person get – zero right. They would rightfully be dismissed as an extremist.

People have every right to be an extremist. It's good we get to see how deranged some of these people are. But lets not pretend they are neutral experts.

https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=307422

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/property-investors-to-get-slightly-less-tax-relief-than-promised-in-national-act-coalition-agreement/LONARV64JBDT7CY5JL2GC7G2PA/


Property investors to get slightly less tax relief than promised in National-Act coalition agreement


And the likely reason behind this - Labour must have left things in one h4ll of an unholy F&&&&n mess far worse than was imagined ;)

[thegreatestben]

Definitely how I’m reading this move too.

[nztx]

Meanwhile the NZH Headlines mail out linked to earlier URL headlines that page like this:


'Landlords will become tax cut millionaires': Govt's investor relief policy under fire

Guess the NZH back office news mice never stopped to cast one thought on this having been taken away / stolen from Landlords in the first place by Labour's Master Fiscal Big A-Hole & expert on digging large holes - Robbo in one unprecedented abnoxious shot from the hip ;)


Time for some of the NZH News Hole of Clueless Left slanting peanuts to go down the road next week ? ;)

It seems to popular stance among media operators of recent times counting the pennies and assessing their mice .. why should NZH excuse itself from expelling a bit of woefully defective wanting talent while everyone else is doing the same ? ;)

[Daytr]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/property-investors-to-get-slightly-less-tax-relief-than-promised-in-national-act-coalition-agreement/LONARV64JBDT7CY5JL2GC7G2PA/


Property investors to get slightly less tax relief than promised in National-Act coalition agreement


And the likely reason behind this - Labour must have left things in one h4ll of an unholy F&&&&n mess far worse than was imagined ;)

Great spin ir otherwise called BS.
Easy to say they have done something in their first 100 days, ahh but actually that won't kick in for another year.
If they thought it was the right thing to do & I believe it is as well, they should have done it straight away.



Meanwhile the NZH Headlines mail out linked to earlier URL headlines that page like this:


'Landlords will become tax cut millionaires': Govt's investor relief policy under fire

Guess the NZH back office news mice never stopped to cast one thought on this having been taken away / stolen from Landlords in the first place by Labour's Master Fiscal Big A-Hole & expert on digging large holes - Robbo in one unprecedented abnoxious shot from the hip ;)


Time for some of the NZH News Hole of Clueless Left slanting peanuts to go down the road next week ? ;)

It seems to popular stance among media operators of recent times counting the pennies and assessing their mice .. why should NZH excuse itself from expelling a bit of woefully defective wanting talent while everyone else is doing the same ? ;)

A healthy 4th estate is critical for any functioning democracy. There are plenty of right wingers that report for the Herald as well.

The mooted social media company levy makes a lot of sense to me. Social media companies pay influencers from advertising revenue generated. Well they should be doing something similar for the media companies.

[nztx]

Great spin ir otherwise called BS.
Easy to say they have done something in their first 100 days, ahh but actually that won't kick in for another year.
If they thought it was the right thing to do & I believe it is as well, they should have done it straight away.




A healthy 4th estate is critical for any functioning democracy. There are plenty of right wingers that report for the Herald as well.

The mooted social media company levy makes a lot of sense to me. Social media companies pay influencers from advertising revenue generated. Well they should be doing something similar for the media companies.



The real BS was spun when the Great Left A-Wipe & Largest Hole of modern times pulled the string on the deduction in first place b*llsh!tting all that it was the Private LL faction to blame foe everything all along .. Since then, the woeful state of Labour's grandiose & clueless efforts on homelessness, housing, poverty has been laid bare for all to see ;)

Strangely few of Labour's past dreaming & squatting talent responsible for the shambles have been game to open their silly little cakeholes since ;)

[Daytr]

The real BS was spun when the Great Left A-Wipe & Largest Hole of modern times pulled the string on the deduction in first place b*llsh!tting all that it was the Private LL faction to blame foe everything all along .. Since then, the woeful state of Labour's grandiose & clueless efforts on homelessness, housing, poverty has been laid bare for all to see ;)

Strangely few of Labour's past dreaming & squatting talent responsible for the shambles have been game to open their silly little cakeholes since ;)

So what's NAFT's excuse for not reintroducing straight away? Fiscal whole in NAFT's budget that selling out to the smoking & gun lobby can't cover.

[Balance]

So what's NAFT's excuse for not reintroducing straight away? Fiscal whole in NAFT's budget that selling out to the smoking & gun lobby can't cover.

Nope - gotto get rid of the fiscal drag from the parasites, beneficiaries and losers bred by Ardern & Hipkins to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

That’s why - very simple reason.

[Balance]

MSM deserves everything they get - sooner they all go the way of the dodo, the better.

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/no-one-has-done-more-than-nz-s-mainstream-journalists-to-pervert-our-democracy-and-betray-the-public

The truth is our Big Media colluded with the Ardern-Hipkins government to end our democracy by joining them at the hip to ensure no rival views about the decision to lock Auckland down in late 2021, race relations, the environment, nor economic management, were allowed to gain traction.

The public has not forgiven its' betrayal.

Big Media did its' utmost to shut down the contest of ideas that lies at the heart of our democracy, where opposing views are aired to keep the government honest, whatever its political colors. Not content with helping fix the election in 2020, Big Media also tried fixing our 2023 election. It failed.

I have proof. It's contained in a bunch of my articles rejected between 2021 and 2023 by Big Media which constituted some of my best work - like "The Unravelling of NZ's Economic Strategy", "Jacindanomics Does not Exist" and "How our Kingdom of Kindness Lost its Way".

At the same time, a vast collection of writing & preaching by other academics across NZ - the Chosen Ones in cahoots with Ardern and Hipkins - was widely disseminated by that same Big Media.

Not even my mild critiques of Ardern and Hipkins were permitted, whereas critiques by others describing politicians like Seymour and Luxon as "bull-****ting", "lying" pricks was splashed across the front pages. Whenever I used a word 1% as strong to describe Ardern or Hipkins, it was edited out by Big Media. The only outlet that would publish my articles became the fringe National Business Review. It is why I started this Blog.

[mistaTea]

MSM deserves everything they get - sooner they all go the way of the dodo, the better.

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/no-one-has-done-more-than-nz-s-mainstream-journalists-to-pervert-our-democracy-and-betray-the-public

The truth is our Big Media colluded with the Ardern-Hipkins government to end our democracy by joining them at the hip to ensure no rival views about the decision to lock Auckland down in late 2021, race relations, the environment, nor economic management, were allowed to gain traction.

The public has not forgiven its' betrayal.

Big Media did its' utmost to shut down the contest of ideas that lies at the heart of our democracy, where opposing views are aired to keep the government honest, whatever its political colors. Not content with helping fix the election in 2020, Big Media also tried fixing our 2023 election. It failed.

I have proof. It's contained in a bunch of my articles rejected between 2021 and 2023 by Big Media which constituted some of my best work - like "The Unravelling of NZ's Economic Strategy", "Jacindanomics Does not Exist" and "How our Kingdom of Kindness Lost its Way".

At the same time, a vast collection of writing & preaching by other academics across NZ - the Chosen Ones in cahoots with Ardern and Hipkins - was widely disseminated by that same Big Media.

Not even my mild critiques of Ardern and Hipkins were permitted, whereas critiques by others describing politicians like Seymour and Luxon as "bull-****ting", "lying" pricks was splashed across the front pages. Whenever I used a word 1% as strong to describe Ardern or Hipkins, it was edited out by Big Media. The only outlet that would publish my articles became the fringe National Business Review. It is why I started this Blog.

Thanks for sharing.

There will be more kicking and screaming by the MSM before we see the much-needed reset.

All I want is a reliable source of balanced news reporting. No more. No less.

I would be equally disgusted if they decided to ‘bend the knee’ to the current govt and started only reporting favourable stories about National, ACT and NZF.

I just want some balance.

[Ferg]

Hear hear.

Glad to see you used the lower case "b" in your final sentence.

[Balance]

Thanks for sharing.

There will be more kicking and screaming by the MSM before we see the much-needed reset.

All I want is a reliable source of balanced news reporting. No more. No less.

I would be equally disgusted if they decided to ‘bend the knee’ to the current govt and started only reporting favourable stories about National, ACT and NZF.

I just want some balance.

Agree with you absolutely.

What we have had in the last 6 years under Ardern & Hipkins was an absolute disgrace and is still a blight on democracy, fairness and transparency due to the duplicity of MSM sucking up to woke & socialism promoted by Labour and to the $55m thrown their way. Corruption in no uncertain terms.

‘Most transparent government ever’ Ardern. She can kiss our collective arses for the hypocrite and freak show that she is.

[Balance]

Just in time NZers woke up and kicked out the most manipulative and incompetent government in October 2023.

Yet another example of Ardern, Hipkins and the Labour government loading and populating entities with their biased appointees which are supposed to be objective in pursuit of the truth :

https://hatchardreport.com/royal-commission-of-inquiry-links-itself-to-covid-vaccine-promotion/

"A 30 second YouTube video with 331,000 views entitled “Look back to move forward – Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons Learned” is paired with New Zealand Government material promoting Covid vaccination.

The comments section below the video is turned off. Clearly the Royal Commission organisers don’t want us to be able to make public comments accessible to others or hold online conversations around the topic. They want to control the flow of information. The video turns up frequently as an advertisement on YouTube which interrupts your viewing. In essence, it manipulates the viewer towards a feel good framework and creates a bland narrative that obfuscates the issues."

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2023/01/19/ap20224358053893-0f6fca202c722c0ffe33837902deae4a1d6a9a7d-s1600-c85.webp

[mistaTea]

Agree with you absolutely.

What we have had in the last 6 years under Ardern & Hipkins was an absolute disgrace and is still a blight on democracy, fairness and transparency due to the duplicity of MSM sucking up to woke & socialism promoted by Labour and to the $55m thrown their way. Corruption in no uncertain terms.

‘Most transparent government ever’ Ardern. She can kiss our collective arses for the hypocrite and freak show that she is.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-1news-senior-reporter-barbara-dreaver-challenges-tvnz-chief-executive-jodi-odonnell-at-heated-staff-meeting/XCKLAPQYZRBWJMVFYNKNDIHJ5U/

Kicking and screaming continuing as predicted. Haymakers at Winston and David weren't working, so there are Board Room brawls going on now.

All good, perfectly natural response for an organisation that has not accepted the root cause of their demise yet.

But interestingly, some comments from Barbs:


Dreaver told 1News last night: “We need really strong leadership and we expect to get it. And I’m quite happy to call out and challenge it [and] my own bosses when we don’t get that, just as I would a politician or any other person who deserves it.”

And this throwaway comment I feel is where a lot of these guys come unstuck. It absolutely is the medias role to provide transparency to the masses about what is going on. But it has to be done in an impartial way.

When I read comments like that from Barbara however, it seems that many of them get confused and feel it is their job to express their personal opinion under the guise of 'calling out' and 'challenging' our politicians and other leaders. In other words, they decide who 'deserves it' based on their own world view. Tut, tut - that is a big no no.

And this is typically what we observe in the tone and bias of reporting. Journalists with set views on how the world should be unable to separate that from reporting the news.

Look at the latest about depreciation tax deductibilty. After further negotiations, Act agreed to not backdate it and kick it off from 1 April. Headlines screaming 'Deal broken!!!' all over the show. That was the focus - that one coalition party had broken their deal with another as opposed to a more balanced report that the parties have negotiated a later start date due to x, y and z.

I don't remember any screaming headlines like that when we were years into Auckland Fuel Tax and zero construction on the train.

I don't remember any screaming headlines like that when Auckland was 80% plus vaccinated and still about to enter our fourth lockdown. The vast majority had complied with the request to get vaccinated so where was the screaming "Deal broken!!!!" headlines then as more businesses and livelihoods were put at stake?

I could go on.

Until these guys can remember the basis of their fundamental role in society, and separate their own personal views from their work they will continue to suffer. When your newspaper becomes a glorified socialist opinion piece, your audience is going to diminish.

Remember when she upset Frank (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/306087/banned-reporter-hits-back-at-fiji-pm) with her biased reporting for a do-gooding Western audience? Fiji is a country I have various ties to, and though poverty is an issue like many 'third world' country I can tell you now the experience of the vast majority is nothing like what Barbs would have you believe.

[Blue Skies]

Hey people, the term 'Main Stream Media' hints at what it is, broadly in the main or middle stream of the media landscape & mainstream society.

If you think the MSM is extreme, either socialist communist, or fascist & the level of rage you feel towards them, do you ever think maybe its time for some self reflection about where your beliefs & attitudes sit in relation to mainstream society?


Just FYI of every $1 dollar spent on advertising in NZ, 90c of it now goes offshore to X formally Twitter, or Facebook, You Tube etc.
That leaves just 10c to be spread among TV1, Newshub, the Herald, Stuff, ODT, all the Radio Stations around NZ, all the local newspapers, magazines etc to survive on.

The problem with this is people thinking they will just get their news off online sources like X or Facebook or You Tube, are being force fed information through algorithms which are designed to prioritise antagonising them, over informing them, to keep them returning for more.

You can see it in the way people are becoming increasingly polarised, obsessive & even deluded & the levels of hate & anger increasing off the scale.

Without some sort of govt funding of media OR the hugely powerful giants like X & Facebook agreeing to pay for some of the local news content they platform, we won't have any local news or investigative journalists left to cover the issues which are important to NZ'ers.

[mistaTea]

Hey people, the term 'Main Stream Media' hints at what it is, broadly in the main or middle stream of the media landscape & mainstream society.

If you think the MSM is extreme, either socialist communist, or fascist & the level of rage you feel towards them, do you ever think maybe its time for some self reflection about where your beliefs & attitudes sit in relation to mainstream society?


Just FYI of every $1 dollar spent on advertising in NZ, 90c of it now goes offshore to X formally Twitter, or Facebook, You Tube etc.
That leaves just 10c to be spread among TV1, Newshub, the Herald, Stuff, ODT, all the Radio Stations around NZ, all the local newspapers, magazines etc to survive on.

The problem with this is people thinking they will just get their news off online sources like X or Facebook or You Tube, are being force fed information through algorithms which are designed to prioritise antagonising them, over informing them, to keep them returning for more.

You can see it in the way people are becoming increasingly polarised, obsessive & even deluded & the levels of hate & anger increasing off the scale.

Without some sort of govt funding of media OR the hugely powerful giants like X & Facebook agreeing to pay for some of the local news content they platform, we won't have any local news or investigative journalists left to cover the issues which are important to NZ'ers.

he he.

Nice attempt to gaslight, and good to see you can copy/paste the arguments that media are making.

I don't use social media at all, so you can't pigeon hole me as some redneck that Facebook is taking advantage of with its algorithms.

The changing landscape of where ad dollars is going is a big factor in the current state of things. I don't think anyone is suggesting that their demise is only because of their poor journalism. But it is being suggested that they are hastening their demise in what is already a tough gig by their one-sided reporting.

This is likely further decreasing their audience, making the ad dollars fall even faster.

You are not going to attract the masses back to your platform for a paid sub if your journalism is biased.

[mistaTea]

Hey people, the term 'Main Stream Media' hints at what it is, broadly in the main or middle stream of the media landscape & mainstream society.

If you think the MSM is extreme, either socialist communist, or fascist & the level of rage you feel towards them, do you ever think maybe its time for some self reflection about where your beliefs & attitudes sit in relation to mainstream society?


Just FYI of every $1 dollar spent on advertising in NZ, 90c of it now goes offshore to X formally Twitter, or Facebook, You Tube etc.
That leaves just 10c to be spread among TV1, Newshub, the Herald, Stuff, ODT, all the Radio Stations around NZ, all the local newspapers, magazines etc to survive on.

The problem with this is people thinking they will just get their news off online sources like X or Facebook or You Tube, are being force fed information through algorithms which are designed to prioritise antagonising them, over informing them, to keep them returning for more.

You can see it in the way people are becoming increasingly polarised, obsessive & even deluded & the levels of hate & anger increasing off the scale.

Without some sort of govt funding of media OR the hugely powerful giants like X & Facebook agreeing to pay for some of the local news content they platform, we won't have any local news or investigative journalists left to cover the issues which are important to NZ'ers.

I really think that this kind of contribution is disappointing.

It seems very typical though. No answer to the many many examples being given of sub-standard, often bias reporting.

But just an attempt to change the subject and gaslight the posters who have offered criticisms of the media.

I can guarantee you that if our media was reporting in a favourable/biased way for the current coaltion instead, BlueSkies et al would be squaling like a stuck pig. They certainly wouldn't be saying "hey now, remember the MAINSTREAM part of MSM... maybe ya'll just need to look in the mirror yeah?"

The difference with me is I would be squealing like a stuck pig regardless of which government was in power if the reporting was below standard, bias etc.

[Blue Skies]

he he.

Nice attempt to gaslight, and good to see you can copy/paste the arguments that media are making.

I don't use social media at all, so you can't pigeon hole me as some redneck that Facebook is taking advantage of with its algorithms.

The changing landscape of where ad dollars is going is a big factor in the current state of things. I don't think anyone is suggesting that their demise is only because of their poor journalism. But it is being suggested that they are hastening their demise in what is already a tough gig by their one-sided reporting.

This is likely further decreasing their audience, making the ad dollars fall even faster.

You are not going to attract the masses back to your platform for a paid sub if your journalism is biased.


Im not copy & pasting anyones arguments & would appreciate it if you didn't try & diminish what I'm saying by suggesting that.
And my comments aren't personally aimed at anyone either.

There are just as many one the opposite side of the spectrum saying the MSM esp the Number 1 commercial Radio Network across NZ i.e. ZB, as being too far to the Right, giving Luxon a free pass, & pushing a Conservative agenda for their audience which they see as mainstream.

When you have both the hard Left & hard Right criticising the MSM as strongly as they do about being too biased, it probably means its about ok & broadly in the middle.

e.g. this morning Luxon is backtracking on when we'll get to surplus & the figures around the cost of the tax deductibility for landlords AFTER stressing for weeks National's figures were ROCK SOLID! Hoskin's demures with a murmur.

And just 10c in every $1 dollar spent on advertising which is by far the main source of revenue for Commercial Media is not going to support a healthy NZ media landscape.

[Panda-NZ-]

Surplus under Labour, deficit under National.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-unable-to-assure-promised-budget-surplus.html

Tends to happen when there's another $800m hole in the costings, this time in terms of interest deductibility.

Landlords had better do something about the social expectations of lower rents (tax shortfall funded by others) or else they'll enjoy a CGT in three years.

[Getty]

Not political, but those brown league players need to harden up.

I lost count of how many times my father called me a monkey, but l never went ape sh1t!

[mistaTea]

Im not copy & pasting anyones arguments & would appreciate it if you didn't try & diminish what I'm saying by suggesting that.
And my comments aren't personally aimed at anyone either.

There are just as many one the opposite side of the spectrum saying the MSM esp the Number 1 commercial Radio Network across NZ i.e. ZB, as being too far to the Right, giving Luxon a free pass, & pushing a Conservative agenda for their audience which they see as mainstream.

When you have both the hard Left & hard Right criticising the MSM as strongly as they do about being too biased, it probably means its about ok & broadly in the middle.

e.g. this morning Luxon is backtracking on when we'll get to surplus & the figures around the cost of the tax deductibility for landlords AFTER stressing for weeks National's figures were ROCK SOLID! Hoskin's demures with a murmur.

And just 10c in every $1 dollar spent on advertising which is by far the main source of revenue for Commercial Media is not going to support a healthy NZ media landscape.

We must be living in a different country.

Hosking is outnumbered 20:1 from what I can see with the Audrey Young's of the world telling us every day that the new govt hasn't got a single thing right and are just a shambles.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxons-tone-problem-resurfaces-over-change-to-coalition-tax-deal-audrey-young/N6VQYJPQQBB4XDFEOOFLR4F37E/

I do agree with you about the polarisation we see with more and more people going for alternative news sources, be it social media or other sources.

We can't get balanced news in NZ.

The Labour/Greens/MP supporters sneer at Hosking as he is right wing, and fair enough too.

The National/Act/NZF supporters sneer at pretty well every other journalist because they are left wing, and fair enough too. And so they seek alternative sources, which then run the risk of being driven by social media algorithms which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I mean, it's not great is it?

[ithaka]

Hey people, the term 'Main Stream Media' hints at what it is, broadly in the main or middle stream of the media landscape & mainstream society.

If you think the MSM is extreme, either socialist communist, or fascist & the level of rage you feel towards them, do you ever think maybe its time for some self reflection about where your beliefs & attitudes sit in relation to mainstream society?


Just FYI of every $1 dollar spent on advertising in NZ, 90c of it now goes offshore to X formally Twitter, or Facebook, You Tube etc.
That leaves just 10c to be spread among TV1, Newshub, the Herald, Stuff, ODT, all the Radio Stations around NZ, all the local newspapers, magazines etc to survive on.

The problem with this is people thinking they will just get their news off online sources like X or Facebook or You Tube, are being force fed information through algorithms which are designed to prioritise antagonising them, over informing them, to keep them returning for more.

You can see it in the way people are becoming increasingly polarised, obsessive & even deluded & the levels of hate & anger increasing off the scale.

Without some sort of govt funding of media OR the hugely powerful giants like X & Facebook agreeing to pay for some of the local news content they platform, we won't have any local news or investigative journalists left to cover the issues which are important to NZ'ers.

2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing

https://thefacts.nz/other/journalists-political-views/

https://thefacts.nz/other/political-leanings-media/ (https://thefacts.nz/other/political-leanings-media/)

[Balance]

2/3 of NZ journalists are left-wing

https://thefacts.nz/other/journalists-political-views/

https://thefacts.nz/other/political-leanings-media/ (https://thefacts.nz/other/political-leanings-media/)

Very telling that there are 100% more left wing woke media than right wing - as in 2:1.

https://thefacts.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/theFacts_Political_Leanings_of_New_Zealand_Media_O utlets_Public_Ratings_Curia_April_2023-optimized.png

No wonder then that 1ZB is thriving while the others are struggling.

Bloody good show!

[Blue Skies]

Very telling that there are 100% more left wing woke media than right wing - as in 2:1.

https://thefacts.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/theFacts_Political_Leanings_of_New_Zealand_Media_O utlets_Public_Ratings_Curia_April_2023-optimized.png

No wonder then that 1ZB is thriving while the others are struggling.

Bloody good show!



Just a couple of neutral observations

1) Those graphs say the most balanced media are the NZ Herald, Radio NZ, & Newshub in that order with the least balanced being Newstalk ZB.

2) Sometimes overlooked, from a financial point of view, unlike TV or Newspapers or even music radio stations, the content for talkback stations like ZB & The Platform to fill the space between the ad's which provide the revenue, is primarily provided FREE by the listeners.

Whereas TV has huge costs to pay journalists, camera operators etc to get its content.
And Newspapers similarly with journalists to get the stories for its content.
There's so much free content online, few people choose to pay subscriptions to newspapers any more.
So there just isn't enough revenue coming in, to pay these higher costs.

[Aaron]

We must be living in a different country.

Hosking is outnumbered 20:1 from what I can see with the Audrey Young's of the world telling us every day that the new govt hasn't got a single thing right and are just a shambles.

Hoskings, Bruce Cotterill, Richard Prebble, Steven Joyce, Brooke Van Velden (until she got in power), Matthew Hooton(although to me he comes across as sensible and not driven by ideology), just off the top of my head, there are quite a few commentators in the herald that might be considered right leaning and supportive of the govt.

Maybe you are like a facebook algorithm and just read the articles that enrage you.

Sometimes it feels like the media try and make a mountain out of a molehill to get eyeballs.

I was just thinking the other day are there no more ram raids as I have not seen it on the front of the paper for awhile. It seems too quick for the new govt to have stopped them altogether, but I guess we have moved on from lawlessness since the govt changed, has National stopped ram raids or was that blown out of proportion by excessive media coverage? I haven't got the time to check the stats myself.

[Balance]

Hipkins admitted that the $523m paid to councils was compensation for grabbing the water assets from them under Three Waters - when it was revealed.

But Mahuta said no - Labour was not taking assets off the councils.

Who do you believe?

https://youtu.be/8R1gjIG3RMk?si=bzciMh-Kr_rQiVq_

Labour sure knew how to throw money all over the place - using ever more debt which now has to be accounted for by the new government.

So debt is now $93 billion (from $5 billion) when Ardern took office in 2017. $1.2 billion of the debt was for 3 Waters with nothing to show. The Maori cabal was pleased for a while though.

[nztx]

Surplus under Labour, deficit under National.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-unable-to-assure-promised-budget-surplus.html

Tends to happen when there's another $800m hole in the costings, this time in terms of interest deductibility.

Landlords had better do something about the social expectations of lower rents (tax shortfall funded by others) or else they'll enjoy a CGT in three years.


When does Nosey Parker announce that he's been appointed a finance advisor to the Govt of Ecuador ?

There gotta be some more spots around the globe for more of the useless excess rejected Labour holes ;)

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-finds-90m-accounting-mistake-in-governments-landlord-tax-cut-numbers/57MMHCDBSFEMHEG6FXDUDYEOA4/

IRD sides with Act in fiscal hole battle, David Seymour magnanimous in victory

Well that little mistaken $90M hole came back like splattered egg all over the faces of the Labour boys & girls ;)

Must have all forgotten what their homework looked like :)


the usual size of Labour's holes is in the billions - isn't it ?

well at least it was until the fat boy realised his future path in life was taking a rapid turn to feeding loads of BS to the poor innocent Otago stewdents ;)

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/teens-beg-mps-to-stop-ram-raid-bill-as-committee-hears-of-widespread-opposition/2NWZXIQUM5HJRFRSD5TWDZK7MQ/

Teens beg MPs to stop ram raid bill as committee hears opposition


What ? - you can't charge us teens for wanting to pull off a few Ram Raids ? ;)

Oh hang on a moment - it might be within their rights to Ram Raid .. :)

[jonu]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/teens-beg-mps-to-stop-ram-raid-bill-as-committee-hears-of-widespread-opposition/2NWZXIQUM5HJRFRSD5TWDZK7MQ/

Teens beg MPs to stop ram raid bill as committee hears opposition


What ? - you can't charge us teens for wanting to pull off a few Ram Raids ? ;)

Oh hang on a moment - it might be within their rights to Ram Raid .. :)

Another mess left behind by the previous useless sods. Poorly drafted legislation condemned by their own Attorney General. Whew there's a mess to clean up. Meanwhile Cindy lives it up at Harvard and Grant gets a pay rise to sow more seeds of failure at Otago. Go figure.

[Blue Skies]

Just watching the news tonight looks like the govt coming under increasing attack over this $3 billion gift tax cut to landlords at the same time the govt says it can't afford anything like an acceptable pay increase for the Police & we'll lose many to Australia, children face dying without increased funding for Cancer treatments, the severely Disabled face effective benefit cuts, Museums & Art Galleries may have to close, school lunches may have to be discontinued, school classroom maintenance deferred, they won't reach Surplus as promised, etc.

The $3 billion tax cut to landlords won't create a single new house, nor reduce rents nor help First home buyers, nor reduce inflation or increase productivity in the economy.
Imo, absolutely irresponsible policy in the current economic situation with a cost of living crisis & increasing levels of crime.

[mistaTea]

Just watching the news tonight looks like the govt coming under increasing attack over this $3 billion gift tax cut to landlords at the same time the govt says it can't afford anything like an acceptable pay increase for the Police & we'll lose many to Australia, children face dying without increased funding for Cancer treatments, the severely Disabled face effective benefit cuts, Museums & Art Galleries may have to close, school lunches may have to be discontinued, school classroom maintenance deferred, they won't reach Surplus as promised, etc.

The $3 billion tax cut to landlords won't create a single new house, nor reduce rents nor help First home buyers, nor reduce inflation or increase productivity in the economy.
Imo, absolutely irresponsible policy in the current economic situation with a cost of living crisis & increasing levels of crime.

Ok.

So the main opposition party is the media now yeah? I just want to be clear.

[mistaTea]

It was bs when labour removed the ability to treat loan interest as an expense.


So National are undoing a bad and unfair policy on landlords…

But according to the Opposition (MSM, not Labour it seems) landlords have a duty to pay more tax to pay for kids lunches and fund cancer treatment?

Have I understood correctly?

[Getty]

Hey Blueskies,

Such eloquent critique and predictions of what the coalition may or may not achieve.

But where was all that under the previous mob?

Or are you their propagandist?

Or their achievements too few to comment on?

[Blue Skies]

Hey Blueskies,

Such eloquent critique and predictions of what the coalition may or may not achieve.

But where was all that under the previous mob?

Or are you their propagandist?

Or their achievements too few to comment on?




The previous govt is a bit irrelevant now, they lost, besides this is the Nat/ACT/NZF thread so you may want to post comments about the previous govt on the Labour thread where they belong.

Like most people I'm more focused on the present & future & its the 3 Party Coalition holding all the power now & which needs to be held to account.

They're learning very quickly being the Govt is a lot different to being in Opposition, & unlike in Opposition, but like all Govt's - they will be scrutinised & held to account.

[Getty]

Well OK then for now BS, but if your pictures get any more gloomy, I'll either have to get a one way ticket from Eion into space, or invest in some scaffolding to stop the (blue) skies from falling in!

[Blue Skies]

Well OK then for now BS, but if your pictures get any more gloomy, I'll either have to get a one way ticket from Eion into space, or invest in some scaffolding to stop the (blue) skies from falling in!


Ha, well the news was pretty grim tonight & Luxon, Willis & now Mitchell all keep saying what a bad state things are.

[Getty]

Ha, well the news was pretty grim tonight & Luxon, Willis & now Mitchell all keep saying what a bad state things are.

All the more reinforcement to my point that your predictive text should have been telling us over the previous 3 or 6 years where Labour Green policies and mismanagement were getting us!

[Ferg]

Surplus under Labour, deficit under National.

That is so wrong it's bordering on funny. Labour had a $9b deficit in their final financial year:
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/124625/new-zealand-added-9-billion-its-debt-during-year-some-tax-revenue-slowed

Big ups to the MSM for widely sharing that and providing wall to wall critique of such fiscal irresponsibility. /s

[nztx]

That is so wrong it's bordering on funny. Labour had a $9b deficit in their final financial year:
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/124625/new-zealand-added-9-billion-its-debt-during-year-some-tax-revenue-slowed

Big ups to the MSM for widely sharing that and providing wall to wall critique of such fiscal irresponsibility. /s


Probably more like a surplus of deficient Skillsets, large Potholes & other humungous holes under the previous mob

A surplus of large projects ready to collapse in on themselves and collection of clowns trying to work out what
imaginary fiddle with higher taxes could be dragged in to fill the hole so it didn't look so bad.

Let's not forget a large Surplus of paid Consultants bills & Empire building costs than anything tangible to show for another bunch of bottomless pits that Labour took a shine to, with a further pipeline of large costs to follow, likely reflecting little better in way of tangibles or something achieved..

COL rearing up ready to kick Robbo into a large hole as well .. any guesses what 6 months further under Labour would have seen, with out of control 3 Idiots on Water, Little's hopeless Health Mess, Transport reduced to a trail of potholes, the anticipated chase the tail on Wage & Salary catch ups in fast pursuit and Robbo's previous Dream on an Economy that wasn't a shade of what he dreamt about showing all the signs of badly stalled about to fall off it's skids and crush him, with the bottom etchelons floundering around on the receiving end of the ungodly mess Labour had landed them in - about to start screaming loudly again, undoubtedly to be followed by legions of State Servants starting up a further round of loud belly aching ;)

No wonder all that was seen was pet projects quickly thrown on the fire by Chippie and an erie silence from Robbo on the looming mess approaching not far infront of him ;)

It must have hurt that the King of the Money hole even got denied opportunity to hoist in an insurance scheme to cover his broken ass among others, paid for by everyone else .. before the defective talent got flushed ;)

[Blue Skies]

We shouldn't be flippant about this, the Police are absolutely furious with the govt's pathetic pay offer, with officers struggling to pay the rent or mortgage & some having to resort to food banks, while the govt says it will find $3 billion for a tax cut to landlords.

It's a stark revelation about priorities, which is more important, supporting our Police with enough to live on, or giving $3 billion to Landlords & property investors.

How are we going to make our cities safer as Luxon promised, if we have our police officers forced into heading in droves to Australia because they can't afford the rent or food on their pay?

Police Minister Mark Mitchell looked sheepish & embarrassed when questioned tonight, as so he should.

[nztx]

We shouldn't be flippant about this, the Police are absolutely furious with the govt's pathetic pay offer, with officers struggling to pay the rent or mortgage & some having to resort to food banks, while the govt says it will find $3 billion for a tax cut to landlords.

It's a stark revelation about priorities, which is more important, supporting our Police with enough to live on, or giving $3 billion to Landlords & property investors.

How are we going to make our cities safer as Luxon promised, if we have our police officers forced into heading in droves to Australia because they can't afford the rent or food on their pay?

Police Minister Mark Mitchell looked sheepish & embarrassed when questioned tonight, as so he should.



Labour did well on this while the COL was starting to run riot - didn't they ? ;)

https://www.policeassn.org.nz/support/employment-legal-advice/employment/payround-news/police-managers-payround-2022#/

Let's not forget how well Labour did with Nurses salaries etc ;)


COL = Look no further than Labour who allowed this to run riot

(They even patted the Supermarkets on the head after what earlier ? )

Housing = Look no further than what Labour did

(How many new houses ? Jump on anything private & rip out deductions worked well
didn't it ? Increased Homelessness Poverty etc .. what a caring bunch Labour were )

Interest Costs - Look no further than the backend of what Labour did
(Let's play little games with Adrian Awesome to see how far the OCR can be bashed
northwards on pretence of draining the goldfish bowl.. not one thought for those exposed
who could lose everything out of the bureaucrats silly little games)


And now we have some twit who thinks a Govt in just 4 months is responsible for what arose from the tenure & policies of the previous lot of clueless halfwits ;)

[iceman]

We shouldn't be flippant about this, the Police are absolutely furious with the govt's pathetic pay offer, with officers struggling to pay the rent or mortgage & some having to resort to food banks, while the govt says it will find $3 billion for a tax cut to landlords.

It's a stark revelation about priorities, which is more important, supporting our Police with enough to live on, or giving $3 billion to Landlords & property investors.

How are we going to make our cities safer as Luxon promised, if we have our police officers forced into heading in droves to Australia because they can't afford the rent or food on their pay?

Police Minister Mark Mitchell looked sheepish & embarrassed when questioned tonight, as so he should.

You must be really proud that your idols left the Police officers so underpaid that they "can't afford the rent or food" & "resort to food banks". Another area Jacinda left in ruins.

[nztx]

You must be really proud that your idols left the Police officers so underpaid that they "can't afford the rent or food" & "resort to food banks". Another area Jacinda left in ruins.



Shame on Labour - the Labour Fill-In Ministers responsible - Ginny, most recent who allowed this to happen ? ;)

This one who no-one will have forgotten from her recent clueless splat:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/509769/labour-s-ginny-andersen-claims-police-minister-was-paid-to-kill-people-while-working-in-private-security-overseas


and before that-

Nash, Williams, HIPKINS, Nash, Woods


Enough said :)

[mistaTea]

We shouldn't be flippant about this, the Police are absolutely furious with the govt's pathetic pay offer, with officers struggling to pay the rent or mortgage & some having to resort to food banks, while the govt says it will find $3 billion for a tax cut to landlords.

It's a stark revelation about priorities, which is more important, supporting our Police with enough to live on, or giving $3 billion to Landlords & property investors.

How are we going to make our cities safer as Luxon promised, if we have our police officers forced into heading in droves to Australia because they can't afford the rent or food on their pay?

Police Minister Mark Mitchell looked sheepish & embarrassed when questioned tonight, as so he should.

You may well think it’s all Funny Money…

But why do landlords need to give the cops a pay raise?

Landlords should continue to unfairly pay higher taxes to fund free lunches at schools, cancer drugs and now pay raises for cops too etc?

Have I got that right?

[Balance]

We shouldn't be flippant about this, the Police are absolutely furious with the govt's pathetic pay offer, with officers struggling to pay the rent or mortgage & some having to resort to food banks, while the govt says it will find $3 billion for a tax cut to landlords.

It's a stark revelation about priorities, which is more important, supporting our Police with enough to live on, or giving $3 billion to Landlords & property investors.

How are we going to make our cities safer as Luxon promised, if we have our police officers forced into heading in droves to Australia because they can't afford the rent or food on their pay?

Police Minister Mark Mitchell looked sheepish & embarrassed when questioned tonight, as so he should.

From September 2023 when Labour was in power :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300973508/police-hq-blasted-for-insulting-pay-offer-cops-considering-leaving-the-force

"Police HQ blasted for 'insulting' pay offer, cops considering leaving the force"

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/silverstone-feed-data/33a0b599-d783-4112-979b-c4197a18b7cb.jpg/r0_0_800_600_w1200_h678_fmax.webp

[Joshuatree]

Shame on Labour - the Labour Fill-In Ministers responsible - Ginny, most recent who allowed this to happen ? ;)

This one who no-one will have forgotten from her recent clueless splat:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/509769/labour-s-ginny-andersen-claims-police-minister-was-paid-to-kill-people-while-working-in-private-security-overseas


and before that-

Nash, Williams, HIPKINS, Nash, Woods


Enough said :)
Shame on him for not being honest about killing people.Shame on this Govt for offering less then Labour were to the Police but promising more in the spin leadup to the election.They won't be able to recruit ,more police will depart NZ.

[Balance]

From September 2023 when Labour was in power :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300973508/police-hq-blasted-for-insulting-pay-offer-cops-considering-leaving-the-force

"Police HQ blasted for 'insulting' pay offer, cops considering leaving the force"

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/silverstone-feed-data/33a0b599-d783-4112-979b-c4197a18b7cb.jpg/r0_0_800_600_w1200_h678_fmax.webp


Let them eat sausage rolls :

https://www.thepost.co.nz/media/images/9Tzi8ywRz924XE3uHaD6DZ3Ef+IdbOiYlvIROR5vlqUeRrexTo cZGobKRJ9od%2Fgnk3B%2FCeKTmTAsIjj6Q0YaYVd1ozXDuJt8 fKgeSVC1yv8pK1mEbhkhzM%2FEw5QwuyDy+c4KzdX20fpSEVi2 CEonozqXo6pQ2zPN251EDQkFM53rqzrEmAheYqyR2fCuh%2FjA Ls0GK0ncfa8SFgiY0o3XuA==?resolution=1240x700

[Joshuatree]

Balance blubber at it again lol,omitting that this govt is offering LESS.Typical of BBlubber.

[nztx]

Shame on him for not being honest about killing people.Shame on this Govt for offering less then Labour were to the Police but promising more in the spin leadup to the election.They won't be able to recruit ,more police will depart NZ.


SIX Fill In Police Ministers in 6 years - One of them HIPKINS - No wonder the Country is in such a shambles after that showing from Labour ;)

[Blue Skies]

Can I just say, the last Labour govt were held to account, & lost the election.

Now it's the turn of this new Nat/ACT/NZF coalition Govt's policies & choices to come under the spotlight, be held to account for the promises they made, & what they deliver.

This very inexperienced unstable Nat/ACT/NZF coalition are finding out being in Govt is a lot different to being in Opposition where they could make claims & promises & say what they like with little scrutiny or consequence.

[Balance]

Can I just say, the last Labour govt were held to account, & lost the election.

Now it's the turn of this new Nat/ACT/NZF coalition Govt's policies & choices to come under the spotlight, be held to account for the promises they made, & what they deliver.

This very inexperienced unstable Nat/ACT/NZF coalition are finding out being in Govt is a lot different to being in Opposition where they could make claims & promises & say what they like with little scrutiny or consequence.

6 years of gross incompetence and screw-ups by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour but the new government is expected to fix all the problems in 100 days?

You are one disgusting moron, BS.

[Joshuatree]

Lol Blubber Balance not noticing EVERYTHING is being UNDONE in the first 100 days and this country can't afford and now avoid the costs of doing so.Rates heading to 20% for many towns and cities,Police will depart in droves if not compensated.Sticks in their mind that Property Investors are getting subsidised.

[mistaTea]

Can I just say, the last Labour govt were held to account, & lost the election.




Yes, you are ultimately correct. They were held to account by the people - but certainly not most of the media.


Now it's the turn of this new Nat/ACT/NZF coalition Govt's policies & choices to come under the spotlight, be held to account for the promises they made, & what they deliver.


The current govt absolutely should be held to account for any policies they put forward. And the media should play a big role in informing New Zealanders about govt policy by reporting the news in a balanced way.

But let's not be disengenuous by saying "Now it's their turn" as though the majority of the media held Arden's governments feet to the fire during their terms.

Lockdown after lockdown despite high vaccination rates, Co-governence which nobody really understood and caused fear, three waters which was just a scam, Auckland fuel tax to waste money on consultants but not build any infrastrucutre, crime out of control, government debt high... the list goes on and on and on...

Yet where were the emotive clickbait headlines over those years? Where were our sh1t hot journalists asking hard questions and keeping at it like a dog with a bone until Cindy gave actual answers?

It never happened.

So yes, the media have a role to report news and inform us about what is happening now. If they can do that in a balanced way moving forward it would be a breath of fresh air.

[Blue Skies]

Luxon's malfunctioning political radar seems to be short circuiting again.

Imagine telling struggling renters in a cost of living crisis, they will be very grateful he's giving their property investor landlords a tax break !
Talk about antagonising renters who would love to own their own home. Not a hint of awareness how that might go down.


(First home buyers battling against property investors won't be too happy either. )



https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-says-renters-very-grateful-government-bringing-back-interest-deductibility-for-landlords.html

[iceman]

Luxon's malfunctioning political radar seems to be short circuiting again.

Imagine telling struggling renters in a cost of living crisis, they will be very grateful he's giving their property investor landlords a tax break !
Talk about antagonising renters who would love to own their own home. Not a hint of awareness how that might go down.


(First home buyers battling against property investors won't be too happy either. )



https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-says-renters-very-grateful-government-bringing-back-interest-deductibility-for-landlords.html

Why are all these renters struggling ? It is hardly because of anything Luxon has done in 3 months is it ? Do you think it is possible they are struggling because of the policies of the last Government that lead to sustained high inflation, more than most other countries & high rents due to more costs for landlords ?

[nztx]

Luxon's malfunctioning political radar seems to be short circuiting again.

Imagine telling struggling renters in a cost of living crisis, they will be very grateful he's giving their property investor landlords a tax break !
Talk about antagonising renters who would love to own their own home. Not a hint of awareness how that might go down.


(First home buyers battling against property investors won't be too happy either. )



https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-says-renters-very-grateful-government-bringing-back-interest-deductibility-for-landlords.html



Well Labour's interest Loop de Loops certainly screwed over any home owner with mortgages ;)

And the etchelons of Renters got royally screwed over out of Labour's Rich Rental owner plicks envy mindset .. all the poor peasants who got subject to Labour's Rental BS will probably now know full well which mob contained the retards who were the ones who set them up and put them through the ordeal.

Never have so many Kiwi's across our societies had to suffer such a largescale ordeal out of the dealings of one incompetent clueless Government h3ll bent on delivering wholesale damage .. Thanks - Labour!

No wonder Labour got pulverised late last year and thrown in the gutter ;)

Whose Radar is short circuiting and popping memory fuses again ? ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

Why are all these renters struggling ? It is hardly because of anything Luxon has done in 3 months is it ? Do you think it is possible they are struggling because of the policies of the last Government that lead to sustained high inflation, more than most other countries & high rents due to more costs for landlords ?

Will rents go down then?

If not why even bother with the policy when it only expands NZ's debt and deficit. Landlords already have it really good in NZ, particularly with this govt, and there is tons of deregulation to come (how good are slums for $500 wk).

[Balance]

The sort of brain dead bureaucrats hired under Ardern, Hipkins and Labour who need to be fired asap by the new government so sanity is restored to the provision of essential services - deniers who implemented policies of no accountability (state tenants can create havoc but cannot be removed, especially if they are Maori or gang members) and rampant spending (average $800k for 1 bedroom units) :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/511652/no-robust-evidence-kainga-ora-activities-impact-house-prices-agency

There is "no robust evidence" Kāinga Ora activities impact house prices in surrounding areas, a leader in the state housing agency says.

But a Rotorua councillor disagrees, referencing locals' "terrible, sad and upsetting stories" and offering to arrange for property experts to take the agency "through the evidence".

[mistaTea]

The sort of brain dead bureaucrats hired under Ardern, Hipkins and Labour who need to be fired asap by the new government so sanity is restored to the provision of essential services - deniers who implemented policies of no accountability (state tenants can create havoc but cannot be removed, especially if they are Maori or gang members) and rampant spending (average $800k for 1 bedroom units) :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/511652/no-robust-evidence-kainga-ora-activities-impact-house-prices-agency

There is "no robust evidence" Kāinga Ora activities impact house prices in surrounding areas, a leader in the state housing agency says.

But a Rotorua councillor disagrees, referencing locals' "terrible, sad and upsetting stories" and offering to arrange for property experts to take the agency "through the evidence".


Kāinga Ora deputy chief executive, Central, Daniel Soughtton told the meeting a lower proportion (about 2.5 percent) of Rotorua's housing was publicly owned compared to the national average of 4 percent.
"The large build you are seeing right now in your community is helping this community catch up to where other places are."

I suspect this is an area where the residents of Roturua are quite happy to lag the national average!

Ha!

[Balance]

I suspect this is an area where the residents of Roturua are quite happy to lag the national average!

Ha!

Absolutely - but KO is determined that Rotorua should catch up!

[Ricky-bobby]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/chris-hipkins-calls-govt-dictatorship-for-ramming-through-law-changes-advice-shows-it-could-breach-international-obligations.html Wow calling the kettle black! How many crap changes did they ram through in their time and they were doing it with zero consultation or awareness to the public.

[iceman]

Will rents go down then?

If not why even bother with the policy when it only expands NZ's debt and deficit. Landlords already have it really good in NZ, particularly with this govt, and there is tons of deregulation to come (how good are slums for $500 wk).
There will certainly be less pressure on landlords to increase rents but many are about to or have recently come off low interest rates that in many cases are doubling or tripling. You may think landlords have it “really good” in NZ. I beg to differ

[Balance]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/chris-hipkins-calls-govt-dictatorship-for-ramming-through-law-changes-advice-shows-it-could-breach-international-obligations.html Wow calling the kettle black! How many crap changes did they ram through in their time and they were doing it with zero consultation or awareness to the public.

Hapless Hipkins looking more foolish by the day.

"Dictatorship, that's a term Hipkins wouldn't even use for Chinese President Xi Jinping."

https://marcspring.com/index.php/2024/03/14/chris-hipkins-and-his-lost-memory/

Watching Chris Hipkins these days is becoming an embarrassing affair.

Having been booted out from his short tenure as PM, his latest role appears to be a whinging weasel.

Yesterday Hipkins called the government a ‘dictatorship’…

Does anyone else remember being locked up in their homes for weeks and months on end?

Locked out of the country?

Unlawful vaccine mandates?

Loved ones dying and no funerals?

Pregnant kiwis not allowed to return form overseas?

Government funding of the media?

What a hypocrite.

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Hapless Hipkins, sausage eater. Had a wife but could not keep her.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/wwbpamhc/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-was-treated-to-one-of-his-favourite-tasty-treats-at-the-watties-cannery-in-hastings-on-thursday.jpg?rmode=crop&rnd=133397857541770000&height=379&quality=95&scale=both

[fungus pudding]

Hapless Hipkins, sausage eater. Had a wife but could not keep her. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/wwbpamhc/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-was-treated-to-one-of-his-favourite-tasty-treats-at-the-watties-cannery-in-hastings-on-thursday.jpg?rmode=crop&rnd=133397857541770000&height=379&quality=95&scale=both

You don't need a wife when you can go into labour all by yourself.

[mistaTea]

Hapless Hipkins looking more foolish by the day.

"Dictatorship, that's a term Hipkins wouldn't even use for Chinese President Xi Jinping."

https://marcspring.com/index.php/2024/03/14/chris-hipkins-and-his-lost-memory/

Watching Chris Hipkins these days is becoming an embarrassing affair.

Having been booted out from his short tenure as PM, his latest role appears to be a whinging weasel.

Yesterday Hipkins called the government a ‘dictatorship’…

Does anyone else remember being locked up in their homes for weeks and months on end?

Locked out of the country?

Unlawful vaccine mandates?

Loved ones dying and no funerals?

Pregnant kiwis not allowed to return form overseas?

Government funding of the media?

What a hypocrite.

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Hapless Hipkins, sausage eater. Had a wife but could not keep her.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/wwbpamhc/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-was-treated-to-one-of-his-favourite-tasty-treats-at-the-watties-cannery-in-hastings-on-thursday.jpg?rmode=crop&rnd=133397857541770000&height=379&quality=95&scale=both

And of course the journalist made sure to list many of those items to ensure a fair and balanced coverage!

ha!

[iceman]

The much lauded new finance spokesperson for Labour off to a great start with lies. Instead of the 346 landlords she claimed have +200 properties, officials can only find one.

"In a press release from the weekend, Labour’s Finance spokeswoman Barbara Edmonds said the policy, which allows landlords to reduce their tax bill by deducting interest costs would “give approximately 346 landlords who own at least 200 properties each around $464 million between them”."
Behind paywall in the Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-claimed-there-were-346-landlords-who-owned-200-properties-but-official-data-can-prove-only-one/5TC3HIYIBFGF5CURUBLE5FPYSA/

[Blue Skies]

Why are all these renters struggling ? It is hardly because of anything Luxon has done in 3 months is it ? Do you think it is possible they are struggling because of the policies of the last Government that lead to sustained high inflation, more than most other countries & high rents due to more costs for landlords ?


I was simply commenting on another of Luxon's political gaffes where he looks badly out of touch with large sections of the electorate, not the complex causes of high house prices & rents.

However, reintroducing Tax Deductibility for Property investors is going to put upward pressure on house prices, resulting in upward pressure on rents, resulting in upward pressure on interest rates to control inflation.

Tax Deductibility of rental income fuels borrowing.
How can a First Home buyer compete against a Property investor who can fund approx $500,000 against a mortgage, from tax free rental income (based on approx ave rental income).

Just means increasing numbers of our housing stock concentrated in the hands of fewer & fewer people, with many damaging far reaching consequences for the country.

The increase in house prices under Labour came on top of the increase in house prices under National & so on back decades.

[Joshuatree]

Yes, you are ultimately correct. They were held to account by the people - but certainly not most of the media.



The current govt absolutely should be held to account for any policies they put forward. And the media should play a big role in informing New Zealanders about govt policy by reporting the news in a balanced way.

But let's not be disengenuous by saying "Now it's their turn" as though the majority of the media held Arden's governments feet to the fire during their terms.

Lockdown after lockdown despite high vaccination rates, Co-governence which nobody really understood and caused fear, three waters which was just a scam, Auckland fuel tax to waste money on consultants but not build any infrastrucutre, crime out of control, government debt high... the list goes on and on and on...

Yet where were the emotive clickbait headlines over those years? Where were our sh1t hot journalists asking hard questions and keeping at it like a dog with a bone until Cindy gave actual answers?

It never happened.

So yes, the media have a role to report news and inform us about what is happening now. If they can do that in a balanced way moving forward it would be a breath of fresh air.

Depends what media you listen to.Some blatant anti Labour radio dicks,Hosjings and his team on zb.Radio NZ national neutral.TV stations supporting the team of 5 million and the Labour govts arguably the lowest COVID death rates in the world,no apologies for that ,but conveniently forget it because it wasn't your grandmother?Sure some squeakywheel folk used the media to get back in the country(shame on their total selfishness).

[Balance]

The much lauded new finance spokesperson for Labour off to a great start with lies. Instead of the 346 landlords she claimed have +200 properties, officials can only find one.

"In a press release from the weekend, Labour’s Finance spokeswoman Barbara Edmonds said the policy, which allows landlords to reduce their tax bill by deducting interest costs would “give approximately 346 landlords who own at least 200 properties each around $464 million between them”."
Behind paywall in the Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-claimed-there-were-346-landlords-who-owned-200-properties-but-official-data-can-prove-only-one/5TC3HIYIBFGF5CURUBLE5FPYSA/

Robertson, in announcing his retirement from politics, spoke highly of Edmonds.

“Barb can add up. She knows numbers. She’s a tax lawyer. She used to work for Inland Revenue.”

https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/02/29/labours-golden-girl-slated-as-future-prime-minister/

"Labour’s golden girl slated as future prime minister."

Golden girl who cannot add and tell lies?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/F0iq9wyUJQ4oBRWLRh/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952eoknt36sx4wg7afy6gdyz7b7n70ts p4que0xj1i4&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

One tells lies, the other tells bigger lies - which one is which?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/media/images/9Tzi8ywRz924XE3uHaD6DfGZQfjEdZd7oKlsiR53VLHvSZExpM zuRmKdwHbkL9PkB6MwPqKGegUvzN7T3yuFTkxuiED0WJbwnX4F +%2FcWOArGs21b9df0mqVYOOpYyBqBa%2FC0W2lKzR3sLLDC+O RPelTtrbANBeCdPoGQTYwZckAZTYCFAzPwfFi2NQCBYDFn?res olution=620x350

[mistaTea]

I was simply commenting on another of Luxon's political gaffes where he looks badly out of touch with large sections of the electorate, not the complex causes of high house prices & rents.


Removing interest deductibility did not bring house prices down but did exacerbate already rising rents as landlords across the board needed to lift rents to cover their higher tax bill.

It was a knee-jerk (and therefore very bad) policy to implement.

National are doing the right thing by reversing a bad policy.

You are clinging to what you perceive as 'gaffes' (I don't see the gaffe in this instance) as another attempt at character assassination because you have not been able to provide a sound economic argument (with evidence) that shows the Labour policy was effective and doing good things for renters and first home buyers.

The issues driving house prices and rents are all about supply vs demand. It is a difficult problem to fix and will take many years - but why focus on that when you can push through something that appears to be cracking down on rich pr1ck landlords, but actually just ends up hurting the people you claim you want to help?

Taxes are regressive. You can add any tax you want on landlords, businesses etc... but ultimately it is the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that bear the cost.

[Bjauck]

You don't need a wife when you can go into labour all by yourself. It is also better to eat a sausage roll rather than a raw onion with skin (Tony Abbot PM) or vomiting over the Japanese PM (George HW Bush!)

[Blue Skies]

Removing interest deductibility did not bring house prices down but did exccerbate already rising rents as landlords across the board needed to lift rents to cover their higher tax bill.

It was a knee-jerk (and therefore very bad) policy to implement.

National are doing the right thing by reversing a bad policy.

You are clinging to what you perceive as 'gaffes' (I don't see the gaffe in this instance) as another attempt at character assassination because you have not been able to provide a sound economic argument (with evidence) that shows the Labour policy was effective and doing good things for renters and first home buyers.

The issues driving house prices and rents are all about supply vs demand. It is a difficult problem to fix and will take many years - but why focus on that when you can push through something that appears to be cracking down on rich pr1ck landlords, but actually just ends up hurting the people you claim you want to help?

Taxes are regressive. You can add any tax you want on landlords, businesses etc... but ultimately it is the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that bear the cost.





Reintroducing Tax Deductibility for Property Investors is like loosening your belt a few notches to combat weight gain, does nothing to get at the seat of the problem. Fuels borrowing, pushes up prices, inflation, interest rates!

There is solid evidence Labour removing Tax Deductibility tilted the market back in favour of First Home Buyers instead of Property investors & speculators.
You call that bad policy!!!

No need to be so defensive about Luxon's lack of political radar which has been observed & commented on by many people.

[Bjauck]

…

Taxes are regressive. You can add any tax you want on landlords, businesses etc... but ultimately it is the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that bear the cost. They are doomed either way in NZ? Supply remaining constrained then More tax on the real estate assets of the rich and rents go up; less tax on the rich and there are fewer houses for FHBs as the rich bid up prices and add investment houses to their portfolios?

In NZ the tax system is very regressive - the wealthier you are, the less tax as a proportion of your income and wealth you pay. How will making the tax system even more regressive help?

[Balance]

It is also better to eat a sausage roll rather than a raw onion with skin (Tony Abbot PM) or vomiting over the Japanese PM (George HW Bush!)

Or better than putting the foot into the mouth (new Labour Finance Spokesperson Edmonds)?

[Panda-NZ-]

Taxes are regressive. You can add any tax you want on landlords, businesses etc... but ultimately it is the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that bear the cost.

A shame they didn't have that mindset with GST.

I expect in the next budget we'll have more charges and levies.

[Balance]

Removing interest deductibility did not bring house prices down but did exccerbate already rising rents as landlords across the board needed to lift rents to cover their higher tax bill.

It was a knee-jerk (and therefore very bad) policy to implement.

National are doing the right thing by reversing a bad policy.

You are clinging to what you perceive as 'gaffes' (I don't see the gaffe in this instance) as another attempt at character assassination because you have not been able to provide a sound economic argument (with evidence) that shows the Labour policy was effective and doing good things for renters and first home buyers.

The issues driving house prices and rents are all about supply vs demand. It is a difficult problem to fix and will take many years - but why focus on that when you can push through something that appears to be cracking down on rich pr1ck landlords, but actually just ends up hurting the people you claim you want to help?

Taxes are regressive. You can add any tax you want on landlords, businesses etc... but ultimately it is the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that bear the cost.

Exactly right, mT. Here's the proof :

Rentals increased by 25% from 103.5 (rent price index) to 129.77 in 6 years under Clueless Ardern & Hapless Hipkins.

In the preceding 4.5 years under National, it increased by only 8.9%.



https://www.ceicdata.com/datapage/charts/o_new-zealand_nz-rent-price-index-sa/?type=line&period=10y&lang=en

[mistaTea]

A shame they didn't have that mindset with GST.

I expect in the next budget we'll have more charges and levies.

Well, in a lot of ways GST is the fairest tax of all (if there is such a thing!).

Increase GST and give tax cuts to the lower income bands.

You are taxed based on how much you consume. So if you are a r1ch prick who likes to buy lots of things, dine out at fancy restaurants, drink expensive plonk etc etc... well, thank you very much indeed for stimulating the economy and paying a big share of tax revenue.

[mistaTea]

Reintroducing Tax Deductibility for Property Investors is like loosening your belt a few notches to combat weight gain, does nothing to get at the seat of the problem. Fuels borrowing, pushes up prices, inflation, interest rates!

There is solid evidence Labour removing Tax Deductibility tilted the market back in favour of First Home Buyers instead of Property investors & speculators.
You call that bad policy!!!

No need to be so defensive about Luxon's lack of political radar which has been observed & commented on by many people.

Sorry, where is your evidence that their policy tilted the market back in favour of First Home Buyers?

[Blue Skies]

Sorry, where is your evidence that their policy tilted the market back in favour of First Home Buyers?


A quick sample,

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/122742/david-hargreaves-tries-put-some-context-around-why-first-home-buyers-are-getting

https://www.corelogic.co.nz/news-research/news/2023/first-home-buyers-hit-record-high-27-market-share

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/first-home-buyers-account-for-record-high-share-of-purchasers.html

[thegreatestben]

Did more FHB's buy or did their share increase because investors were pushed out?
My observation is that the market is no better for FHB's it's just worse for others, thats bad policy with ripple effects.

[Panda-NZ-]

Well, in a lot of ways GST is the fairest tax of all (if there is such a thing!).


So is any tax if you include compensaton.

This is such a great tax we need bucketloads of compensation to cancel out any tax revenue gains. why bother.

[Blue Skies]

Did more FHB's buy or did their share increase because investors were pushed out?
My observation is that the market is no better for FHB's it's just worse for others, thats bad policy with ripple effects.


With respect that's not very good critical thinking skills.

Due to many factors, banks LTV ratios, numbers of sellers in the market, Lockdowns, Interest rates, foreign buyers, etc, affordability is continually affected & may improve or worsen, BUT, in any given state of the market, we need to increase home ownership i.e. First home Buyers and diminish our housing stock being concentrated in the hands of fewer & fewer people.
Can you not see Tax deductibility gives investors a massive advantage over First Home Buyers so its not a flat playing field.

Stable Home ownership improves just about every outcome in society , health, law & order, schooling & education, the environment, probably even the birth rate.


Plus we need to get people investing in productive innovative companies & away from this at times, frenzied Ponzy Housing scheme selling houses to each other.
Look at someone like Luxon preaching we have to improve productivity in this country but investing in 7 houses, classic!

[mistaTea]

Can you not see Tax deductibility gives investors a massive advantage over First Home Buyers so its not a flat playing field.

!

I see.

So we should probably make it so landlords cannot claim any expenses at all then! Yes, that would produce fantastic outcomes for all.

[thegreatestben]

With respect that's not very good critical thinking skills.

we need to increase home ownership i.e. First home Buyers and diminish our housing stock being concentrated in the hands of fewer & fewer people.
Can you not see Tax deductibility gives investors a massive advantage over First Home Buyers so its not a flat playing field.

Don't disagree with you on needing to increase supply but your argument on this point around the solutions and most of your arguments in general are wrapped up in best intentions and fail to observe actual consequences.

I'm trying to point out that bad policies are the problem. Turning off taps without a replacement solution has been a massive problem caused by the last govt, not just in housing.
I think it will be easier to get to the right solution by rolling back this one, less worse for now.

[Blue Skies]

Don't disagree with you on needing to increase supply but your argument on this point around the solutions and most of your arguments in general are wrapped up in best intentions and fail to observe actual consequences.

I'm trying to point out that bad policies are the problem. Turning off taps without a replacement solution has been a massive problem caused by the last govt, not just in housing.
I think it will be easier to get to the right solution by rolling back this one, less worse for now.


Agreed we need to increase supply. Neither govt have been good, too many MP's even including people like Helen Clark owning multiple houses instead of investing in NZ companies.

[thegreatestben]

We will only get increased supply if there is an incentive and smashing landlords is not the incentive first home buyers need because under their first home buyer hat is in a lot of cases a renter hat. Hard to be a FHB when you're on the receiving end of increased costs of business for landlords providing a service for which there is no alternative (unless you count cars and motels)

[mistaTea]

We will only get increased supply if there is an incentive and smashing landlords is not the incentive first home buyers need because under their first home buyer hat is in a lot of cases a renter hat. Hard to be a FHB when you're on the receiving end of increased costs of business for landlords providing a service for which there is no alternative (unless you count cars and motels)

Some dogs just like to bark at every passing car, whether they understand what it is or not.

[thegreatestben]

Ah well I usually keep my ideas to myself but I think I'm pretty well qualified in this particular area.

[mistaTea]

Ah well I usually keep my ideas to myself but I think I'm pretty well qualified in this particular area.

My comment was not aimed at you.

Your post makes sense 100%

[thegreatestben]

My comment was not aimed at you.

Your post makes sense 100%

Sorry yes I did know that, should have been clearer. Was just reflecting being told I lack critical thought.

[mistaTea]

Sorry yes I did know that, should have been clearer. Was just reflecting being told I lack critical thought.

Yes well, some on here who like to try to re-write history about the previous 6 years of govt and make out that every single thing the new govt are doing is catastrophic default to gaslighting when they read things they don't like.

[mistaTea]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/associate-education-minister-david-seymour-promises-early-childhood-budget-increase/QC2WLP6ZAZGB3KJUGF5QTDZP5A/

Govt can’t even state a facts now it seems.

[iceman]

So the Marlborough harbour master has limited access through Tory Channel to 187 mtrs long. The Labour ferries were 40 mtrs longer. So is there anyone still on this forum that will lambast the Coalition Government for cancelling this madness ?

[jonu]

So the Marlborough harbour master has limited access through Tory Channel to 187 mtrs long. The Labour ferries were 40 mtrs longer. So is there anyone still on this forum that will lambast the Coalition Government for cancelling this madness ?

What's the rationale for the limit iceman? Maneuverability?

[iceman]

What's the rationale for the limit iceman? Maneuverability?

Yes Maneuverability

[jonu]

The Irish are waking up to hijinks of politicians and media there as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE72h-H5GiY

Leftist Marxist ideology is getting pushback world wide and not before time.

[Getty]

So the Marlborough harbour master has limited access through Tory Channel to 187 mtrs long. The Labour ferries were 40 mtrs longer. So is there anyone still on this forum that will lambast the Coalition Government for cancelling this madness ?

Generous bloke that Harbour master.

He would still let the Mikhail Lermontov in at 176 metres.

[iceman]

Generous bloke that Harbour master.

He would still let the Mikhail Lermontov in at 176 metres.
As he should, along the current ferry route. Around Cape Jackson inside Sunken Rock continues to be out of bounds for large vessels though, particularly after a few Vodkas

[nztx]

Generous bloke that Harbour master.

He would still let the Mikhail Lermontov in at 176 metres.


Hey come on now - perhaps it was already partly submarine when it got noticed coming in
or there was a deep haze coming off the Marlborough vineyards with a pleasant odour
to distract .. no secret that Local Body outfits in that neck of the woods have a liking for
vineyards .. the bigger the acreage the better :)

[Bjauck]

Well, in a lot of ways GST is the fairest tax of all (if there is such a thing!).

Increase GST and give tax cuts to the lower income bands.

You are taxed based on how much you consume. So if you are a r1ch prick who likes to buy lots of things, dine out at fancy restaurants, drink expensive plonk etc etc... well, thank you very much indeed for stimulating the economy and paying a big share of tax revenue. GST is a regressive tax. Poorer families spend most of their after-income tax income on consumer items paying GST. Those with larger incomes can save more, and avoid paying GST. They can buy investor real estate from which most of their returns are by way of untaxed capital gains. Unlike many other countries there is no Duty payable on investor real estate purchases.

[Bjauck]

Yes Maneuverability Not manoeuvrability?

[mistaTea]

GST is a regressive tax. Poorer families spend most of their after-income tax income on consumer items paying GST. Those with larger incomes can save more, and avoid paying GST. They can buy investor real estate from which most of their returns are by way of untaxed capital gains. Unlike many other countries there is no Duty payable on investor real estate purchases.

Well, I think it is true that any tax is regressive in that of course it will hit the poor hardest.

We try to ameliorate that to some extend with the tiered income tax system we have. Then working for families allows a number of families to effectively pay little or no tax. It can cause resentment over time and also be argued that taxpayers are subsiding employers from paying a true living wage. But that's another story.

With regards to GST, I do think there is an argument that as a true 'user pays' tax it would ensure the rich kick way more into the tin than the poor is is therefore 'fair'. Provided there are corresponding tax cuts to the lower income bands then it could be argued that whether the individual saves their extra cash or spends it all is an individual choice.

Provided the rich can't rort the system by being able to claim back GST by buying things as a 'business' expense.

I am not wedded to the idea, but just think it has some merit.

We seem to go the other way where if someone is broke we don't acknowledge the individual choice component for many. It seems that if you are poor it is always the fault of 'the system'. And so, over time state subsidies through things like WFF just get bigger and bigger and more and more people become dependent on one form of welfare or another.

We should be open to assessing all options, including an increase to GST with corresponding decrease to income tax.

[Aaron]

We should be open to assessing all options, including an increase to GST with corresponding decrease to income tax.

You don't think bringing in a capital gains tax and reducing income tax rates would be preferable to raising GST and lowering income tax?

[mistaTea]

You don't think bringing in a capital gains tax and reducing income tax rates would be preferable to raising GST and lowering income tax?

I am open to all options.

As I have mentioned at length in the past, I think a CGT is warranted. I just caution about having too many exemptions and burdening any CGT with compliance and enforcement costs.

Maybe there is a magic formula somewhere with an increase to GST, introduction of a CGT and significant lowering of income tax that can help the govt diversify revenue streams in more equitable way.

But I am no tax expert, and its just an idea from a layman.

[Bjauck]

…We seem to go the other way where if someone is broke we don't acknowledge the individual choice component for many. It seems that if you are poor it is always the fault of 'the system'. And so, over time state subsidies through things like WFF just get bigger and bigger and more and more people become dependent on one form of welfare or another.

We should be open to assessing all options, including an increase to GST with corresponding decrease to income tax. GST is a starkly regressive tax as a proportion of income and capital returns available to the taxpayer. Insofar as the poor have less ability to avoid paying it compared to the rich. Other taxes may well be adjusted in compensation.

Certainly with respect to poverty traps resulting from systemic issues and/or being the result of personal free choice, that is a complex area. Do accommodation supplements foster both a dependence by the recipients, as well as a dependence by the landlords who can offer a higher price for their investment in residential real estate in expectation that the government will help tenants pay higher rents. Does the taxpayer end up inflating the cost of housing and subsidising investors in residential real estate?

[mistaTea]

GST is a starkly regressive tax as a proportion of income and capital returns available to the taxpayer. Insofar as the poor have less ability to avoid paying it compared to the rich. Other taxes may well be adjusted in compensation.

Certainly with respect to poverty traps resulting from systemic issues and/or being the result of personal free choice, that is a complex area. Do accommodation supplements foster both a dependence by the recipients, as well as a dependence by the landlords who can offer a higher price for their investment in residential real estate in expectation that the government will help tenants pay higher rents. Does the taxpayer end up inflating the cost of housing and subsidising investors in residential real estate?

Yes, well there are certainly no easy answers to a complex issue.

GST would only work and be more 'fair' so long as the rich cannot avoid paying it by including personal expenditure as a business expense. So there is an enforcement/compliance cost there as people will always try to avoid tax if they can.

I don't know what the answer is, but it is probably a combination of things in terms of tax policy as well as people making better choices with their money.

[Panda-NZ-]

CGT then a minimum tax of 20%. Though I may be getting ahead of myself here and it would be more useful in Australia.

In theory, if income reaches a certain threshold then it shouldn't matter whether it's from trusts, company or individuals or great long lost relatives from Ireland, if it's under 20% then it gets bumped up to the minimum. Joe biden is experimenting with such an idea currently.

NZ can still explore things like stamp duty, land taxes etc, before looking at a minimum tax.

[nztx]

CGT then a minimum tax of 20%. Though I may be getting ahead of myself here and it would be more useful in Australia.

In theory, if income is above a certain threshold then it shouldn't matter whether it's from trusts, company or individual or great long lost relatives from Ireland, if it's under 20% then it gets bumped up to the minimum. Joe biden is experimenting with such an idea.

NZ can still explore things like stamp duty, land taxes etc before a minimum tax.


Capital gain all fine and dandy while all the Boys and girl see nice wad land in lap and Tax man dont come looking for dem. Not so OK in envious eyes if it land in lap of other person who work and save hard for it though.

Nothing like seeing these envious Socialists out to feather their own nests out of sight start screaming loudly if what comes their way looks like it might be under threat or they might have pay a little more towards their debt to Society or get off their backsides & do something for a change ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

Nothing like seeing these envious Socialists out to feather their own nests out of sight start screaming loudly if what comes their way looks like it might be under threat or they might have pay a little more towards their debt to Society or get off their backsides & do something for a change ;)

Those who work can expect an income tax cut.. those who use a limo to cross the street & have time for media interviews during peak working hours not so much. ;)

[nztx]

Those who work can expect an income tax cut.. those who use a limo to cross the street & have time for media interviews during peak working hours not so much. ;)


Sorry to hear that you might have to make do with your trusty tricycle for another 10-15 years ;)

If you maintain it well, it might last :)

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mbie-confirms-more-than-100-voluntary-redundancies-as-it-looks-to-cut-spending-by-4125-million/XQQWDVTF3ZATBD5XMSDMZHUW3M/

MBIE confirms more than 100 voluntary redundancies as it looks to cut spending by $412.5m



The end of Labour's 'pad up every SOE Sector with many hold hands' paid Holiday Camps already ? ;)

So much stress .. 100 elect to jump overboard for large wad of pingers already ;)

Good place to start - MBIE - the same bunch of Pr!cks who had no hesitation dishing out humungous fee increases
on multiple ocassions to finance their at times backwards and deficient initiatives, even during the depths of Covid ;)

[Blue Skies]

Excellent to see Australia has followed Sweden & Canada to unfreeze funding for UNRWA to avoid mass starvation in Gaza amid the worsening humanitarian crisis & will increase funding & also support Jordanian & UAE airdrops of aid.

Lets hope our coalition govt immediately follows Australia's lead.

Time running out for Netanyahu with Chuck Schumer now calling him stuck in the past & for him to go.

6 months of war on Gaza, not a single senior HAMAS leader killed, still 130 hostages missing, but over 30,000 Palestinians slaughtered, over 10,000 missing under rubble & 1.5 million facing starvation & mostly women & minors.

The barbaric insanity of it is unfathomable.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/15/unrwa-funding-australia-reinstates-gaza-aid-october-7-hamas-claims

[mistaTea]

Excellent to see Australia has followed Sweden & Canada to unfreeze funding for UNRWA to avoid mass starvation in Gaza amid the worsening humanitarian crisis & will increase funding & also support Jordanian & UAE airdrops of aid.

Lets hope our coalition govt immediately follows Australia's lead.

Time running out for Netanyahu with Chuck Schumer now calling him stuck in the past & for him to go.

6 months of war on Gaza, not a single senior HAMAS leader killed, still 130 hostages missing, but over 30,000 Palestinians slaughtered, over 10,000 missing under rubble & 1.5 million facing starvation & mostly women & minors.

The barbaric insanity of it is unfathomable.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/15/unrwa-funding-australia-reinstates-gaza-aid-october-7-hamas-claims

Mate why were you heckling Nicola today.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/511816/nicola-willis-heckled-about-tax-cuts-for-landlords-at-auckland-media-conference

[Getty]

Excellent to see Australia has followed Sweden & Canada to unfreeze funding for UNRWA to avoid mass starvation in Gaza amid the worsening humanitarian crisis & will increase funding & also support Jordanian & UAE airdrops of aid.


6 months of war on Gaza, not a single senior HAMAS leader killed, still 130 hostages missing, but over 30,000 Palestinians slaughtered, over 10,000 missing under rubble & 1.5 million facing starvation & mostly women & minors.

The barbaric insanity of it is unfathomable.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/15/unrwa-funding-australia-reinstates-gaza-aid-october-7-hamas-claims

BS, you have presented your case very well, that all it would have taken to prevent so much misery is for Hamas to have given up 130 hostages, and some of their own.

When will they ever learn?

Good that you have become enlightened though.

[mistaTea]

BS, you have presented your case very well, that all it would have taken to prevent so much misery is for Hamas to have given up 130 hostages, and some of their own.

When will they ever learn?

Good that you have become enlightened though.

The way BS tells it you’d think Hamas never did anything wrong.

Meanwhile reports coming out about rapes and other atrocities committed by Hamas. Pretty grim stuff.

It is awful to see so many Palestinians being killed, and there are limits to how far Israel can go.

It is equally true that Hamas can stop all of the violence right now by surrendering and handing back all hostages.

I guess it’s just easier for some to throw rotten eggs at Israel.