PEB - Pacific Edge Ltd

[Longhaul]

What to make of this in Australia? (Source: https://urocology.com.au/about/academic-activity/)

"RECRUITING
Principle Investigator – Princess Alexandra Hospital & Redland Hospital

An observational study of efficacy and utility of Cxbladder tests in the identification of low vs high risk patients and the detection of urothelial carcinoma in patients presenting with haematuria"

[tango]

What to make of this in Australia? (Source: https://urocology.com.au/about/academic-activity/)

"RECRUITING
Principle Investigator – Princess Alexandra Hospital & Redland Hospital

An observational study of efficacy and utility of Cxbladder tests in the identification of low vs high risk patients and the detection of urothelial carcinoma in patients presenting with haematuria"

That looks very promising. Thank you for providing the link

[nevchev]

Cant find a specific date for the trial?

[baaantom]

Daveo cashing in a small parcel. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/358690

[sb9]

Daveo cashing in a small parcel. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/358690

That may test the 60c mark support...

[trader_jackson]

Daveo cashing in a small parcel. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/358690

Is he building another deck?

[baaantom]

Is he building another deck?

A deck can never be big ENOUGH.

[Xerof]

Daveo cashing in a small parcel. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/358690

It's been a few years since he built the deck - must be needing a paint job

[Minerbarejet]

So how does that grab you, Balance.
Bit of deja vu.
Is that the signal for you to revert from currently affable to your previously non affable status.
Interested bystanders (plural) are looking forward to your diagnosis.

[Getty]

As PEB have proven expertise in the nether regions,
I pose them a wee challenge;

A question that has confounded Medical Science for generations.

If a light sleeper sleeps lighter with a light on,
does a hard sleeper sleep harder with a hard on?

Dr JPG.

Ensuring Doctors Without Borders know their limitations.

[Cyclical]

Daveo cashing in a small parcel. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/358690

Any chance of a high level rundown? NZX is dead ATM and I can't find anywhere on the PEB website that has these announcements...thanks.

[t.rexjr]

I read it earlier. From memory sold $230k and converted $70k of options. Kept the rest. Something like that anyway...

[Cyclical]

I read it earlier. From memory sold $230k and converted $70k of options. Kept the rest. Something like that anyway...

Thanks. Do you know roughly what that is as a percentage of his total holdings?

[Cyclical]

Thanks. Do you know roughly what that is as a percentage of his total holdings?

Only about 3% of his holding. And I guess why wouldn't you, if it was only worth a fraction of that a handful of weeks back. $200k+ gets a nice set of wheels that says, yep, PEB is a good place to be :)

[nevchev]

Could we be expecting an announcement? Directors are limited to when they can sell

[baaantom]

Could we be expecting an announcement? Directors are limited to when they can sell

If he sold, anticipating a negative market announcement, that would be the definition of insider trading no?

[Minerbarejet]

We have been expecting announcements of one kind or another since 2013. :)

[jimdog31]

Only about 3% of his holding. And I guess why wouldn't you, if it was only worth a fraction of that a handful of weeks back. $200k+ gets a nice set of wheels that says, yep, PEB is a good place to be :)

Yes - but could also indicate a positive announcement coming and tried to keep his nose clean as he really does need a bigger deck.

[tango]

We have been expecting announcements of one kind or another since 2013. :)

^^^ THIS ^^^ :D :D :D

I hope that DD just needs a bit of cash for a spa pool
It always makes me nervous when senior management sell down

[jimdog31]

^^^ THIS ^^^ :D :D :D

I hope that DD just needs a bit of cash for a spa pool
It always makes me nervous when senior management sell down

Even worse when they resign AND sell, like PPH

[baaantom]

It's frustrating that they make these disclosure statements so cryptic. Looking at this one again, it looks like Dave had a net sale of only 16,667 shares. Being a disposal of 350,000 shares and then an exercise of 333,000 options (net being 16,667). 11888

[nevchev]

Yes - but could also indicate a positive announcement coming and tried to keep his nose clean as he really does need a bigger deck.
Yip,the market would freak when geof b would sell some atm shares and then not long after we would get good news.

[tango]

Even worse when they resign AND sell, like PPH

At least the CEO of push pay has given plenty of notice. I’m always more alarmed when executives resign “suddenly”.

[Justin]

how many share been sold and how many still in darling‘s pocket？

[tomm]

Look at the current ,their genius products are sole monopoly in the world and the most important of all is their products are accepted worldwide. It took more than 10 years to be at this stage today. I think the next phase is they will probably dual listing with ASX , once the next year with a certain higher Net income result is announced.
Beside with the facts that ANZ invested their money at $0.65 cents/share not at $0.12 cents/share is enought to encourage investors.
Disc: I sold CBD to get more fund to top up PEB for a long term!

[nevchev]

Look at the current ,their genius products are sole monopoly in the world and the most important of all is their products are accepted worldwide. It took more than 10 years to be at this stage today. I think the next phase is they will probably dual listing with ASX , once the next year with a certain higher Net income result is announced.
Beside with the facts that ANZ invested their money at $0.65 cents/share not at $0.12 cents/share is enought to encourage investors.
Disc: I sold CBD to get more fund to top up PEB for a long term!

Good timing with the cbd shares!

[jimdog31]

Good timing with the cbd shares!

Dont be surprised to see this be the next Sharesies mob target , a lot of comments on facebook about them flocking over to make this the next bubble. BLT & TRU also mentioned.

[Leftfield]

Look at the current ,their genius products are sole monopoly in the world and the most important of all is their products are accepted worldwide. It took more than 10 years to be at this stage today. I think the next phase is they will probably dual listing with ASX , once the next year with a certain higher Net income result is announced.
Beside with the facts that ANZ invested their money at $0.65 cents/share not at $0.12 cents/share is enought to encourage investors.
Disc: I sold CBD to get more fund to top up PEB for a long term!

I agree great buying at current levels, lots of good long term upside. I'm not a short term trader, happy to hold and be patient while the uptrend continues.

[zs_cecil]

Does anyone know when MSCI rebalance would happen? Is it on next Monday?

[Greekwatchdog]

This is For Barr insights into it posted a week ago.

All eyes on Pacific Edge — Liquidity is potentially the thorn in its sideThe recent dramatic rise in Pacific Edge's (PEB) share price, which saw it quadruple over a matter of weeks, sees it as a potentialentrant (based purely on size) for the S&P/NZX 50 indices at future index reviews. However, liquidity requirements must be satisfiedfirst for members and non members alike. Based on our calculations, we believe PEB has (just) failed the liquidity threshold at theSeptember 2020 review, implying that (should PEB's price hold/increase) PEB will not be eligible to enter until June 2021 at theearliest. We note that non-members must pass the liquidity threshold for three consecutive quarterly index reviews and actualliquidity outcomes are not made public by S&P DJI.Figure 2. Current rankings for S&P/NZX 50 Index inclusion/exclusionRanking Code Current status 6-mth average price 6-mth average market cap

[zs_cecil]

This is For Barr insights into it posted a week ago.


Thanks for your sharing, Greekwatxhdog, this is a good piece of information. It is fair enough that it is not qualified this time because of the liquidity requirement.

By the look of it without any calculation, the trading volume of PEB seems being improved in the year anyway.

[pierre]

Im much more interested in seeing the SP rise as the result of the next big announcement such as settlement of CMS reimbursement for past tests in the US, signing a deal in Singapore, the KP deal kicking into action or something else that's been lurking undercover.

[Greekwatchdog]

I agree Pierre, the inclusion into the NZX50 is a bonus for all the hard work that has been done over the years. The CX Bladder product(s) are there. Its just sales execution from here. Xmas is coming...

[Minerbarejet]

Been there, done that and within 6 months of the upsurge

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/pacific-edge-top-50

[zs_cecil]

Other than the settlement of the CMS reimbursement for the past tests, I would also hope to see some improvement on any reimbursement for future tests. In the annual report, you can find that PEB also has 5000+ tests that has been billed but no payment has been received. These tests are covered by private insurance. If PEB keeps having troubles on collecting payments, it will definitely hurt its cash flow. I know CMS is not private insurance provider but who knows how complicated the reimbursement process is.



For patients with private insurance cover or no insurance cover, revenue has only been recognised when and
to the extent payment has been received, leaving a significant portion of invoiced amounts unrecognised. The
level of unrecognised revenue is expected to gradually decrease as the Group concludes firm agreements for
reimbursement with individual payers, principally the insurance companies. A contingent asset of $3,150,000 has
been estimated at 31 March 2020 for private insurance receivables as an inflow of economic benefits is considered
probable.

To date, a total of 5,355 tests have been performed and billed for which no payment has been received. These tests
are for patients covered by private insurance, and have not been written off and are being actively pursued for
payment.

[zs_cecil]

Been there, done that and within 6 months of the upsurge

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/pacific-edge-top-50

It was just like yesterday :)

[Justin]

why is so hard to get reimbursement?

[zs_cecil]

why is so hard to get reimbursement?

Don't know why. I am no expert :)
I hope the CMS one will be straight forward for PEB so that we could see more cash inflow when the test volume increases.

[Greekwatchdog]

DYOR and decide. Listen to last report and decide and make your decision. Personally cant wait for next 12/24 months...

[Minerbarejet]

why is so hard to get reimbursement?
This just in this morning.

This is where we have been with PEB/ CMS/MAC along with others and you can certainly connect a lot of dots here


CMS NEWSFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 31, 2020
Contact: CMS Media Relations
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“For new technologies, CMS coverage approval has been a chicken and egg issue. Innovators had to prove their technologies were appropriate for seniors, but that was almost impossible since the technology was not yet covered by Medicare and thus not widely used enough to demonstrate their suitability for Medicare beneficiaries,” said CMS Administrator Seema Verma. “These efforts will ensure seniors get access to the latest technologies while lowering costs for innovators. Arcane bureaucratic requirements have no business preventing seniors’ access to a technology that might save their lives.”
Today’s announcement of the Medicare Coverage of Innovative Technology (MCIT) (CMS-3372-P) proposed rule, would provide Medicare beneficiaries access to the latest medical technology faster than ever. Under current rules, FDA approval of a device is followed by an often lengthy and costly process for Medicare coverage. The lag time between the two has been called the “valley of death” for innovative products, with innovators spending time and resources on FDA approval, only to be forced to spend additional time and money on the Medicare coverage process. This represents not only an unnecessary waste of resources for innovators, but also a significant problem for America’s seniors, who are prevented access to these potentially lifesaving technologies during the existing Medicare coverage determination process.
The MCIT proposal would eliminate this lag time for both seniors and innovators. It would create a new, accelerated Medicare coverage process for innovative products that the FDA deems “breakthrough,” which FDA approves on an expedited basis and could include devices harnessing new technologies like implants or gene-based tests to diagnose or treat life-threatening or irreversibly debilitating diseases or conditions like cancer and heart disease. Under the proposal, Medicare would provide national coverage simultaneously with FDA approval, for a period of four years. After that time, CMS may reevaluate the device based on clinical and real-world evidence of improvement in health outcomes among Medicare beneficiaries. This four-year timeline would incentivize the manufacturers of these breakthrough devices to develop additional evidence regarding the applicability of their products to the Medicare population, so they might continue Medicare coverage beyond the initial four years.
Importantly, because the MCIT rule would provide national Medicare coverage for four years, it would streamline identical local coverage decisions (LCDs), promoting equal access for seniors and helping innovators focus on getting their devices to patients and clinicians. Currently, under the LCD process, 16 Medicare Administrative Contractors (MACs) make Medicare coverage decisions on the local level – 12 for Medicare Parts A and B, and four for Durable Medical Equipment. Each MAC’s decisions apply only to that MAC’s jurisdiction. In the absence of national Medicare coverage for an innovative product, the product could be covered by a patchwork of LCDs, meaning a senior in one area could have access, while another senior in a different area would not. Additionally, to secure these LCDs, innovators can be forced to seek separate decisions from several MACs. MCIT breaks through this bureaucracy to help innovators and seniors alike. Under MCIT, breakthrough devices are given automatic national coverage for four years, simultaneous with FDA approval, meaning innovators do not need to seek coverage from the MACs.
This proposed rule would also allow Medicare to cover eligible breakthrough devices the FDA has approved for use in 2019 or 2020, giving Medicare beneficiaries immediate access to these innovative and potentially life-saving devices.
Additionally, the MCIT proposed rule would clarify the standard CMS uses to determine whether Medicare should cover a product, like a drug, device, or biologic. Under the Medicare law, the program can only pay for items or services that are “reasonable and necessary” for the Medicare population. If finalized, the MCIT proposal would clarify CMS’ definition of reasonable and necessary in regulation to give innovators a clearer understanding of CMS standards.
Today’s announcement also implements a major CMS effort to provide better customer service for innovators seeking Medicare coverage for their products. This takes the form of a coordinated, one-stop-shop internal structure that harmonizes the coverage, coding, and payment processes. This new internal coordination will help CMS better assist innovators as they seek to secure Medicare coverage and payment for their newly FDA-approved products. This effort includes a new pilot project under which knowledgeable CMS staff will guide innovators through the coverage, coding, and payment processes to cut through confusion and, ultimately, help Medicare deliver critical new technologies to seniors more quickly.
In addition to the proposed rule and the internal changes, CMS is also announcing that, in an effort to ensure certainty and clarity for stakeholders, the agency has significantly reduced a backlog of requests for National Coverage Determinations (NCDs), some of which have been on a list awaiting approval since 2014. In 2019 there were 11 NCD applications waiting for CMS review. By the end of 2020, CMS will have addressed nine of those 11. One of the remaining two is being handled by local Medicare Administrative Contractors (MACs) and the second is undergoing additional clinical trials.
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[nevchev]

Typical!All those years getting to where we are and now every man and his dog will be able join in with little effort or proof

[jonu]

That's very good news for PEB. A substantial cultural shift for CMS which can only benefit the suite of PEB tests. The only slight concern is it will also help any viable competitor...the clincher being they will still have to measure up.

[tomm]

Show me the money.!

[t.rexjr]

The focus seems to be not doubling up approvals. Once FDA has given approval CMS will follow...
So in that respect it’s rather unhelpful as it speeds up the process for would be competitors choosing the FDA route.

It does however sound as though our final leg may get a hurry up along with any potential reimbursement...

[Minerbarejet]

This is a very telling statement from that article.

"Arcane bureaucratic requirements have no business preventing seniors’ access to a technology that might save their lives.”

Absolutely right.

And if one doesnt just focus on cxbladder alone and takes into account the pipeline (colorectal, gastric, etc) at PEB this could have a major effect on the lessening of the time taken for approval of any future PEB innovative tests

[Leftfield]

Thanks for posting Miner, an Interesting development ...... could be great for PEB, but only a proposal at this stage.

[Davexl]

Bit of Insider Buying:James Suttie, Senior VP Global, bought 15740 shares and more options on the table...

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/359066

[Longhaul]

Bit of Insider Buying:James Suttie, Senior VP Global, bought 15740 shares and more options on the table...

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/359066

That looks like he sold on market to enable him to exercise 100,000 options at 53.5 cents, with a bit left over for a hand rail for his deck.

Does not encourage me to buy more (or sell for that matter).

[jimdog31]

That looks like he sold on market to enable him to exercise 100,000 options at 53.5 cents, with a bit left over for a hand rail for his deck.

Does not encourage me to buy more (or sell for that matter).

Must mean an announcement isnt pending?

[nevchev]

That looks like he sold on market to enable him to exercise 100,000 options at 53.5 cents, with a bit left over for a hand rail for his deck.

Does not encourage me to buy more (or sell for that matter).

When do the options expire?

[James564]

So when are we expecting the next announcement other than November at this stage

[Justin]

So when are we expecting the next announcement other than November at this stage

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/

[Minerbarejet]

So when are we expecting the next announcement other than November at this stage

You can expect an announcement to be made at any time.

Level of uptake by Kaiser once training is complete

Level of reimbursement by CMS ( if any).

Possible signing of Johns Hopkins who are doing a commercial evaluation and paying for the tests.

Near term was indicated for the Singapore/ Asia trials being completed.

Possible expansion into the thicker side of the Tasman Plate.


I think if there is some kind of big uptake/payment somewhere they ought to let us know right away after all we have been through and it would come under the compulsory declarations surely if it has a major effect on the bottom line.

This is no time for Secret Squirrel.

[jonu]

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/

Thanks Justin.

September Update should provide some energy to the market.

[nevchev]

Be something bigger than that.

Starting to look like we will see 60c before we see an announcement

[jonu]

First Friday of September is upon us - so expect announcement to be made today

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...527/307185.pdf

Changes in 2019 - announced 6 Sept

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...580/286387.pdf

Changes in 2018 - announced 7 Sept

Posted by Balance on the S&P DJI NZX review thread.

Those selling under 70 the last few days might be regretting it IF PEB is included. Been quite a run down this week.

[Davexl]

First Friday of September is upon us - so expect announcement to be made today

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...527/307185.pdf

Changes in 2019 - announced 6 Sept

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...580/286387.pdf

Changes in 2018 - announced 7 Sept

Posted by Balance on the S&P DJI NZX review thread.

Those selling under 70 the last few days might be regretting it IF PEB is included. Been quite a run down this week.


Can't access those links Jonu. Can you repost the full link, please without the "..." present in the links. Thanks

[jonu]

Can't access those links Jonu. Can you repost the full link, please without the "..." present in the links. Thanks

Don't know why they aren't working. They worked in Balance's original post. Probably easier for you to check the S&P DJI NZX Review thread.

[Cyclical]

Don't know why they aren't working. They worked in Balance's original post. Probably easier for you to check the S&P DJI NZX Review thread.

Rather than selecting and copying a bunch of text straight from Balance's post, which just picks up the abbreviated links with the "..." in them, you're best to right click on the links and "copy link address".

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/NZXO/340527/307185.pdf

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/NZXO/323580/286387.pdf

[Davexl]

Duplicate post


(https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthread.php?11884-S-amp-P-DJI-NZX-September-Review&highlight=S%26amp%3BP+DJI+NZX+Review)

[jonu]

Rather than selecting and copying a bunch of text straight from Balance's post, which just picks up the abbreviated links with the "..." in them, you're best to right click on the links and "copy link address".

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/NZXO/340527/307185.pdf

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/NZXO/323580/286387.pdf

Thanks Cyclical.

[jonu]

I just checked with my broker. He says they are expecting it at 5.30pm.

So if you want back in....bite the bullet!

[Justin]

I just checked with my broker. He says they are expecting it at 5.30pm.

So if you want back in....bite the bullet!

Thanks Jonu for the update

[nevchev]

Oh well,next time
Didnt make the nzx 50https://www.nzx.com/announcements/359285

[gravityegg]

I thought we already know that since peb liquity doesn't reach the nzx50 requirements

[Greekwatchdog]

Update on Weighting..PEB Could sneak in Dec..For Bar update.
S&P DJI have confirmed at the September 2020 quarterly index review that The New Zealand Refining Company (NZR) willexit the benchmark S&P/NZX 50 indices, allowing Serko (SKO) to enter. Changes are effective close of market, Friday, 18September 2020.Serko confirmed to enter the S&P/NZX 50 benchmark indicesAs expected, SKO will enter the S&P/ NZX 50 benchmark indices due to NZR dropping below the required level of six-monthaverage market capitalisation. SKO will enter with an index weight of approximately 0.23% (rank 48). We estimate passive demand forSKO will be in the order of +1.4m shares (11.2x ADV) and -3.6m shares for NZR (7.8x ADV).Figure 1. September 2020 review: Confirmed changesIndex Enter Exit Expected Weight (rank)S&P/NZX 10 No changeS&P/NZX 20 No changeS&P/NZX 50 SKO NZR 0.23% (48)S&P/NZX 50 Portfolio SKO NZR 0.34% (48)Source: Forsyth Barr analysis, S&P DJIQuarterly re-weightings confirmed — Looking aheadAs with each quarterly index review, S&P have updated indexed shares along with Investable Weighting Factors (IWFs) for indexconstituents. The companies with the largest re-weightings are presented in Figure 2. Updated indexed shares (i.e. via revisedAdjustable Weighting Factors) for the S&P/NZX 50 Portfolio index will be released to index subscribers, close of market, Friday, 11September 2020.Looking forward, with the acquisition of Metlifecare (MET) by Asia Pacific Village Group (APVG) currently proceeding, we have againupdated our index inclusion/exclusion index model. Using current six-month average free float market cap rankings and liquiditycalculations, our model suggests that the most likely replacement for MET would be (1) Tower (TWR) or (2) Hallenstein Glasson(HLG), given, at this point, TWR's current liquidity figures are borderline.We again note that based on our calculations, Pacific Edge (PEB) will not be eligible for current index inclusion having (just) failed theliquidity threshold at the September 2020 index review. Should our calculations be incorrect, then PEB would rank ahead of TWR andwould enter the S&P/NZX 50 benchmark indices should MET be removed.Figure 2. September 2020 review: Major reweighting changes expectedIndex Current Weight Expected Weight Total ChangeS&P/NZX 50 IndexSKO n/a 0.23% +0.23%SKC 1.49% 1.70% +0.20%NZR 0.10% n/a -0.10%RYM 4.64% 4.23% -0.41%S&P/NZX 50 Portfolio IndexSKO n/a 0.34% +0.34%NZR 0.14% n/a -0.14%S&P/NZX 10 IndexAIA 10.77% 10.94% +0.17%RYM 7.29% 6.70% -0.59%

[Carpenterjoe]

A little light reading for any that are interested, looks like we need to wait another year for evicore guidelines and there is still resistance in adopting our technology.

https://www.dfs.ny.gov/public-appeals/case-number-202002-126115

https://www.evicore.com/-/media/Files/eviCore/Clinical-Guidelines/solution/Lab-Management/HealthPlan/1199SEIULabMgmtGuidelinesv102021_Eff01012021_Pub08 312020.pdf

[jimdog31]

A little light reading for any that are interested, looks like we need to wait another year for evicore guidelines and there is still resistance in adopting our technology.

https://www.dfs.ny.gov/public-appeals/case-number-202002-126115

https://www.evicore.com/-/media/Files/eviCore/Clinical-Guidelines/solution/Lab-Management/HealthPlan/1199SEIULabMgmtGuidelinesv102021_Eff01012021_Pub08 312020.pdf

Whats your take from the above in laymans terms? Seems a little depressing

[Minerbarejet]

A little light reading for any that are interested, looks like we need to wait another year for evicore guidelines and there is still resistance in adopting our technology.

https://www.dfs.ny.gov/public-appeals/case-number-202002-126115

https://www.evicore.com/-/media/Files/eviCore/Clinical-Guidelines/solution/Lab-Management/HealthPlan/1199SEIULabMgmtGuidelinesv102021_Eff01012021_Pub08 312020.pdf


Maybe Kaiser Permanente and CMS havent had time to read it.

[nevchev]

Hard to ascertain the relevance of the above info.Does it have much effect on PEBs progress or is it merely delaying it in the short term

[850man]

A little light reading for any that are interested, looks like we need to wait another year for evicore guidelines and there is still resistance in adopting our technology.

https://www.dfs.ny.gov/public-appeals/case-number-202002-126115

https://www.evicore.com/-/media/Files/eviCore/Clinical-Guidelines/solution/Lab-Management/HealthPlan/1199SEIULabMgmtGuidelinesv102021_Eff01012021_Pub08 312020.pdf

Be good to get a response from PEB to these articles. It suggests that testing shows the CXBladder tests have insufficient accuracy and therefore questionable utility.

[nevchev]

Be good to get a response from PEB to these articles. It suggests that testing shows the CXBladder tests have insufficient accuracy and therefore questionable utility.

Hoping for a response also.If the general market thinks its bad then some sort of announcements will be needed or we'll be back to 0.25 in no time.Bad timing with the dow down over 600 points last night

[thegreatestben]

If the case number is a date code (202002 = feb 2020?) then that's from pre-covid times. Bit of a different game now with USA dealing with the virus and the benefits of home based sampling etc.

[Minerbarejet]

Fair bit of duckshoving going on here.

This is from the bottom of the page regarding this ONE case.

Disclaimer


The Department of Financial Services makes every effort to post accurate and reliable external appeal information. However, it does not guarantee or warrant that the information provided on this website is complete, accurate, or up-to-date. This database is provided solely for informational purposes and is intended to provide general information related to past external appeal decisions. The Department assumes no liability for the access to or your reliance upon any of the information provided. The Department assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, or other discrepancy in the database. Despite any similarities, your own medical condition may differ from that in any given case contained within this database. The Department makes no claims, promises or guarantees that using the information from this database will impact or otherwise result in a positive outcome for any pending or future external appeal application. All external appeal cases are specific to each individual and include many variables that affect the outcome of a particular case.

[psychic]

I'm still a little unsure about what the CMS and Kaiser approvals really mean atm. Yes they have been approved by CMS, yes there is some sort of commercial agreement with Kaiser (do we know details?) But my grasp is that none of the tests have yet been accepted into the clinical pathway and until they are, they are considered investigational only. So until we have the AUA stipulating the use of Cxbladder then Insurers (including CMS), Urologists and Hospitals will continue to use the gold standard cystoscopy/ cytology. Yes CMS and Kaiser see usefulness, but how often will be key.

[Minerbarejet]

Also 2 years too late and a lot of water under the bridge since.


www.evicore.com/-/media/files/evicore/clinical-guidelines/solution/lab-management/healthplan/1199seiulabmgmtguidelinesv102021_eff01012021_pub08 312020.pdf

13. Sathianathen NJ, Butaney M, Weight CJ, et al. Urinary biomarkers in theevaluation of primary hematuria: a systematic review and meta-analysis. BladderCancer. 2018;4(4):353-363.

Keep up.:)

[psychic]

2018 the paper may be Miner but still considered relevent for these Clinical Guidelines which are effective from Jan next year!

[Minerbarejet]

It may appear relevant for the likes of a small town outfit like Evicore who seems to come from Bluffton SC, a place that

I'm afraid in my ignorance I have never heard of.

I think once the clinical guidelines and results of the Kaiser Programme that led them to adopt the cxBladder test are

known would result in a bit more attention to cxBladder being paid by Evicore and lots of other providers and insurers.

There are two clinical papers ( PEB and KP) yet to be released on this matter according to an interested bystander.

[psychic]

It may appear relevant for the likes of a small town outfit like Evicore who seems to come from Bluffton SC, a place that

I'm afraid in my ignorance I have never heard of.

I think once the clinical guidelines and results of the Kaiser Programme that led them to adopt the cxBladder test are

known would result in a bit more attention to cxBladder being paid by Evicore and lots of other providers and insurers.

There are two clinical papers ( PEB and KP) yet to be released on this matter according to an interested bystander.

Thanks Miner. Accept that Evicore might not seem to be a significant player to us but the point is that none of the big Insurers (Aetna, Bluecross Blueshield etc) cover Cxbladder either - for the same reasons as Evicore. The test is investigational only.

So I question if the uptake by CMS and Kaiser is any different now we have approval, given that using Cxbladder is not recommended or in the clinical pathway. We don't know.

I get that there are further studies in the pipeline or to be released, we've waited on these for years. And yes, if these meet the approval of the AUA then we hopefully we should expect inclusion in the pathway. But until then...

[Minerbarejet]

If the test is investigational only in the guidelines why has Medicare approved it for coverage and KP adopted it to some (unknown)extent?

If the so called guidelines were anything like up to date I suggest that actual definition would change.

There will be some interesting Half Yearly and Full year reports from here on.

Lab throughput of Medicare tests with payment approval as opposed to the ongoing 40% of all tests done going unpaid.

The reality is that they are not going to get everyone on board but if they can manage a few % out of the USA they would do very well.

I think the original objective was about 10% but at that rate they will be running out of lab space pretty quickly.

[Retired Doc]

First post. I have followed this thread with great interest for years but have been unable to post until now because of my email being gmail. I am impressed with the depth of much of the content and I am grateful to the members who have contributed. With regard to the recent negatives surrounding the successful appeal of a health insurance plan** against recompensing for a Cxbladder test - this is typical insurance company behaviour but to my mind it is very short sighted as they are, seemingly, opting to stick with urine cytology, which should soon disappear into the mists of antiquity, and cystoscopy which possibly has a little advantage re its specificity cf Cxbladder. However cystoscopy as a procedure is loathed by patients - well certainly by all I have dealt with over the years - and is inconvenient and very importantly as has been pointed out is not particularly "Covid safe" vs Cxbladder.
I am not surprised that the AUA has not yet adopted Cxbladder as a guideline item as the widespread use of Cxbladder will be a major disrupter to urology and likely affect income stream significantly and this will also apply to privately funded hospitals- this being the majority in the US. Much better to have the revenue retained by a cystoscopy in your own system than to have it go to a third party lab......."follow the money."
I have a growing concern that PEB picked the wrong target in choosing the US as its main marketing objective. The US health "system" appears to be one of awful inconsistencies and does not give the impression of being patient centred overall. The other general concern is the apparent descent of the US to a dystopia and the chaos that may inflict on US healthcare. Sorry to bring in politics......

** Oxford is the insurance company who brought the appeal - the published customer reviews are not flattering!

[psychic]

If the test is investigational only in the guidelines why has Medicare approved it for coverage and KP adopted it to some (unknown)extent?

If the so called guidelines were anything like up to date I suggest that actual definition would change.

There will be some interesting Half Yearly and Full year reports from here on.

Lab throughput of Medicare tests with payment approval as opposed to the ongoing 40% of all tests done going unpaid.

The reality is that they are not going to get everyone on board but if they can manage a few % out of the USA they would do very well.

I think the original objective was about 10% but at that rate they will be running out of lab space pretty quickly.

Thanks Miner.
The AUA Clinical guidelines are up to date - reviewed 2020, and in part read:

In surveillance of NMIBC, a clinician should not use urinary biomarkers in place of cystoscopic evaluation. (Strong Recommendation; Evidence Strength: Grade B)

In a patient with a history of low-risk cancer and a normal cystoscopy, a clinician should not routinely use a urinary biomarker or cytology during surveillance. (Expert Opinion)

Hopefully the yet-to-be published studies you mention will change this view but that is guesswork for us right now, we know not content nor result.

When Pacific Edge announced they had LCD for CxBladder they said it would be reimbursed if medically necessary. How many of the CMS tests would be considered medically necessary? If CMS, like the AUA, still view the tests as investigational, then not many.

Approval might not mean reimbursement.

This might be the interesting part in the next financials...

[Minerbarejet]

You may very well be right but it would seem to me that approving a test, giving it codes, reimbursement fees and allowing it to be performed at all should indicate some willingness to part with a bit of dosh for the company providing the tests, eventually.

All very well to come along after the test is done and dusted and saying (without any proof) it wasn't necessary, so "we aint payin, you all."

The only thing that I can see why that would take place is if some urologist became a bit over enthusiastic and was ordering tests left right and centre without taking necessity into account.
Would I be wrong in assuming the onus of necessity lies with the urologist/physician originating the test process rather than some other unconnected person in the bureaucratic nightmare of the US Medical System?


Cheers
Miner

[psychic]

From the CMS Glossary of terms:

MEDICALLY NECESSARY
Services or supplies that: are proper and needed for the diagnosis or treatment of your medical condition, are provided for the diagnosis, direct care, and treatment of your medical condition, meet the standards of good medical practice in the local area, and aren't mainly for the convenience of you or your doctor.


So would "the standards of good medical practice" not be those set by the AUA?

The AUA did not say it approved the use of Cxbladder as Pacific Edge suggest. It said that there was a low level of evidence supporting the use of biomarkers generally in support of cystoscopy.

I am not suggesting the tests won't get there, but doubt they are as far along the track as the market has been lead to believe.

[Minerbarejet]

So would "the standards of good medical practice" not be those set by the AUA?

Sure.

Only problem is that all doctors/urologists are not the same, interpret things differently, subject to second opinion, which is why they have the standards.

Err on the side of caution?

Do no harm?

More likely the avoidance of litigation.

[nevchev]

First post. I have followed this thread with great interest for years but have been unable to post until now because of my email being gmail. I am impressed with the depth of much of the content and I am grateful to the members who have contributed. With regard to the recent negatives surrounding the successful appeal of a health insurance plan** against recompensing for a Cxbladder test - this is typical insurance company behaviour but to my mind it is very short sighted as they are, seemingly, opting to stick with urine cytology, which should soon disappear into the mists of antiquity, and cystoscopy which possibly has a little advantage re its specificity cf Cxbladder. However cystoscopy as a procedure is loathed by patients - well certainly by all I have dealt with over the years - and is inconvenient and very importantly as has been pointed out is not particularly "Covid safe" vs Cxbladder.
I am not surprised that the AUA has not yet adopted Cxbladder as a guideline item as the widespread use of Cxbladder will be a major disrupter to urology and likely affect income stream significantly and this will also apply to privately funded hospitals- this being the majority in the US. Much better to have the revenue retained by a cystoscopy in your own system than to have it go to a third party lab......."follow the money."
I have a growing concern that PEB picked the wrong target in choosing the US as its main marketing objective. The US health "system" appears to be one of awful inconsistencies and does not give the impression of being patient centred overall. The other general concern is the apparent descent of the US to a dystopia and the chaos that may inflict on US healthcare. Sorry to bring in politics......

** Oxford is the insurance company who brought the appeal - the published customer reviews are not flattering!

Thanks Doc.Nice to hear from the inside

[bullfrog]

First post. I have followed this thread with great interest for years but have been unable to post until now because of my email being gmail. I am impressed with the depth of much of the content and I am grateful to the members who have contributed. With regard to the recent negatives surrounding the successful appeal of a health insurance plan** against recompensing for a Cxbladder test - this is typical insurance company behaviour but to my mind it is very short sighted as they are, seemingly, opting to stick with urine cytology, which should soon disappear into the mists of antiquity, and cystoscopy which possibly has a little advantage re its specificity cf Cxbladder. However cystoscopy as a procedure is loathed by patients - well certainly by all I have dealt with over the years - and is inconvenient and very importantly as has been pointed out is not particularly "Covid safe" vs Cxbladder.
I am not surprised that the AUA has not yet adopted Cxbladder as a guideline item as the widespread use of Cxbladder will be a major disrupter to urology and likely affect income stream significantly and this will also apply to privately funded hospitals- this being the majority in the US. Much better to have the revenue retained by a cystoscopy in your own system than to have it go to a third party lab......."follow the money."
I have a growing concern that PEB picked the wrong target in choosing the US as its main marketing objective. The US health "system" appears to be one of awful inconsistencies and does not give the impression of being patient centred overall. The other general concern is the apparent descent of the US to a dystopia and the chaos that may inflict on US healthcare. Sorry to bring in politics......

** Oxford is the insurance company who brought the appeal - the published customer reviews are not flattering!

On the other, this chaotic health system may be a great opportunity to get a foot in the door, rather than an over regulated, bureaucratic tight ship that is in the pocket of multi nationals.

This assumes that the American health system is not a chaotic over regulated bureaucratic tight ship in the pocket of multi nationals... it’s a great market to get into, and we’ve got a product that offers an economic alternative, and with people feeling the pinch in their pockets, it’ll be a no brainer .

[Minerbarejet]

First post. I have followed this thread with great interest for years but have been unable to post until now because of my email being gmail. I am impressed with the depth of much of the content and I am grateful to the members who have contributed. With regard to the recent negatives surrounding the successful appeal of a health insurance plan** against recompensing for a Cxbladder test - this is typical insurance company behaviour but to my mind it is very short sighted as they are, seemingly, opting to stick with urine cytology, which should soon disappear into the mists of antiquity, and cystoscopy which possibly has a little advantage re its specificity cf Cxbladder. However cystoscopy as a procedure is loathed by patients - well certainly by all I have dealt with over the years - and is inconvenient and very importantly as has been pointed out is not particularly "Covid safe" vs Cxbladder.
I am not surprised that the AUA has not yet adopted Cxbladder as a guideline item as the widespread use of Cxbladder will be a major disrupter to urology and likely affect income stream significantly and this will also apply to privately funded hospitals- this being the majority in the US. Much better to have the revenue retained by a cystoscopy in your own system than to have it go to a third party lab......."follow the money."
I have a growing concern that PEB picked the wrong target in choosing the US as its main marketing objective. The US health "system" appears to be one of awful inconsistencies and does not give the impression of being patient centred overall. The other general concern is the apparent descent of the US to a dystopia and the chaos that may inflict on US healthcare. Sorry to bring in politics......

** Oxford is the insurance company who brought the appeal - the published customer reviews are not flattering!

Pretty astute stuff, Doc.
Welcome aboard

[jimdog31]

Balance, do you have any thoughts on the above?

[Retired Doc]

BTW. Furthermore I am a foundation holder and intend to remain so and I do have a high regard for the product.

[850man]

BTW. Furthermore I am a foundation holder and intend to remain so and I do have a high regard for the product.

That's a good recommendation, just need the rest of the world to think same and we'll all be smiling :t_up:

[jimdog31]

Big off market trade @ 62c 11.22

[thegreatestben]

Big off market trade @ 62c 11.22

2m - $1,240,000.00 for clarity if someone reads this in the future

[calledone]

Big off market trade @ 62c 11.22

Could anyone explain how off market trade is carried out and who can trade off market? Thanks.

[Justin]

0.5m share sold 0.62 this morning

[tango]

Could anyone explain how off market trade is carried out and who can trade off market? Thanks.

A broker usually puts it together but anyone can trade off market and then complete a transfer form. I have done that to shift shares between a company I owned and my personal name.

In the past I bought EBOS off market through Craigs. My broker rang me and offered me the shares and I said yes. Done!

[calledone]

Thanks Tango.

[Merc]

Could anyone explain how off market trade is carried out and who can trade off market? Thanks.

When Dad passed away off market transfer forms were used to transfer his shares to Mum.

[nevchev]

Dave still selling.Big sales and now director selling down again.Making me uncomfortable

[Balance]

Dave still selling.Big sales and now director selling down again.Making me uncomfortable

Read properly before you post.

[calledone]

Looks like options to purchase at 0.8 expired. Find it interesting that he was okay with purchasing at 0.8.


Dave still selling.Big sales and now director selling down again.Making me uncomfortable

[nevchev]

Read properly before you post.

What am i not seeing?confused by the announcement

[zs_cecil]

I read this article yesterday. In the article, Dave said the company started to see cash coming in from CMS in Auguest and expected it to continue to grow. Perhaps, we would at least see a small scale of cashflow improvement in the FY21 HY result. Dave must have seen the potential :cool:

https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/listed-companies/pacific-edges-long-us-wait-is-over-or-is-it

[zs_cecil]

Looks like options to purchase at 0.8 expired. Find it interesting that he was okay with purchasing at 0.8.

I think it means the option ceased with no value. ( perhaps it is too expensive for Dave to exercise it). I am not 100% sure. Correct me if I am wrong.

[calledone]

I think it means the option ceased with no value. ( perhaps it is too expensive for Dave to exercise it). I am not 100% sure. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think if he exercised it, the SP would surely shoot up and maybe it's not time yet lol. I don't know, but I can see it from your angle too.

[Getty]

He would be a mug to exercise[pay up] at 80c, vs buying on market at 63 if he wished, hence their expiry

[zs_cecil]

He would be a mug to exercise[pay up] at 80c, vs buying on market at 63 if he wished, hence their expiry

You hit the point :)

[BigBob]

Dave still selling.Big sales and now director selling down again.Making me uncomfortable

He received options to buy shares at 80c as part of his remuneration, probably a bonus. Those options have hit their expiration date. The current price of the shares is below 80c.

The options are therefore out of the money and are as such worthless, hence he let them expire. No mystery, no conspiracy, no insider selling - just a lapse of options...

[Minerbarejet]

Next option expiring November might be a different story.

September 2020 September 2016 0.80 750,000 750,000
November 2020 November 2016 0.54 200,000 200,000

Whoever it is owns them may be contributing something to the 2nd half revenue.

[zs_cecil]

Next option expiring November might be a different story.

September 2020 September 2016 0.80 750,000 750,000
November 2020 November 2016 0.54 200,000 200,000

Whoever it is owns them may be contributing something to the 2nd half revenue.

I bet Dave would sell his own shares and buy back the option. This is kind of how he usually played it before.

[calledone]

Next option expiring November might be a different story.

September 2020 September 2016 0.80 750,000 750,000
November 2020 November 2016 0.54 200,000 200,000

Whoever it is owns them may be contributing something to the 2nd half revenue.

Where do you find this information?

[Minerbarejet]

Where do you find this information?


https://www.pacificedgedx.com/assets/Investor-Files/Annual-Report-2020.pdf

Cheers
Miner

[Justin]

I read this article yesterday. In the article, Dave said the company started to see cash coming in from CMS in Auguest and expected it to continue to grow. Perhaps, we would at least see a small scale of cashflow improvement in the FY21 HY result. Dave must have seen the potential :cool:

https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/listed-companies/pacific-edges-long-us-wait-is-over-or-is-it

Thank you, nice to see the money coming.

[calledone]

Looks like ANZ has been increasing it's investment buying on market.

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/PEB/359952/330970.pdf

[bullfrog]

Looks like ANZ has been increasing it's investment buying on market.

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/PEB/359952/330970.pdf

Interesting, most of the shares brought at 0.65

[Davexl]

Investor Update Newsletter due out this month,

anyone know the date from last year - nothing in the announcements?

[Greekwatchdog]

10th December last year..

[Davexl]

10th December last year..

Thanks Greekwatchdog, no rhyme or reason then, Sept scheduled for this year, sometime...

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/ (https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/)

[Greekwatchdog]

8 working days left....

[jonu]

8 working days left....

I'm quite surprised the SP hasn't pushed higher heading into the release of the September Update. Presumably got to be in the next 5 working days. The later it is, the more chance of upbeat news IMHO. Hopefully they're crossing the t's on a significant development.

[pierre]

I'm quite surprised the SP hasn't pushed higher heading into the release of the September Update. Presumably got to be in the next 5 working days. The later it is, the more chance of upbeat news IMHO. Hopefully they're crossing the t's on a significant development.

The fact there will be an investor update in September was announced ages ago so if there is any special news in the newsletter, the timing of it will be purely coincidental.

I'm definitely with you in the hope there is another significant development to come - and soon - but not holding my breath waiting for it to be delivered by September 30. Stranger things have happened though, so fingers crossed.

[ba9]

Just catching up on this. Thank you for sharing the link from Business Desk.
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/pacific-edges-long-us-wait-is-over-or-is-it

[ “We started to see the cash coming in August and that will continue to grow,” Pacific Edge chief executive Dave Darling said of the CMS contract. ]

Glad to see cash coming in :)

[jonu]

The fact there will be an investor update in September was announced ages ago so if there is any special news in the newsletter, the timing of it will be purely coincidental.

I'm definitely with you in the hope there is another significant development to come - and soon - but not holding my breath waiting for it to be delivered by September 30. Stranger things have happened though, so fingers crossed.

Well we will know soon enough. I'm intrigued as to why they chose September this year. In 2019 they updated in December. I'm hoping they knew something would be settled in time for a September update.

[thegreatestben]

I'm hoping they knew something would be settled in time for a September update.

I wondered whether they've had something at play to bring ANZ in and it could be the good news we're all hoping to hear.

[James564]

Few big sells yesterday, and don't think were looking to see any profit till mid 2021, guessing there will be something out today or tomorrow

[LEMON]

Few big sells yesterday, and don't think were looking to see any profit till mid 2021, guessing there will be something out today or tomorrow

Announcements tomorrow.
The share price has also not moved in awhile from .62 - .63

[jonu]

Announcements tomorrow.
The share price has also not moved in awhile from .62 - .63

I don't think they specified a date...just September, so I guess it could be today.

[thegreatestben]

I don't think they specified a date...just September, so I guess it could be today.

They do have a date for Financial Half Year End though which is tomorrow so likely they'll both be that date.

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/

[Minerbarejet]

They do have a date for Financial Half Year End though which is tomorrow so likely they'll both be that date.

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/investors/key-dates/

You wont see much of the Half Year results until late November usually.
However if there is a massive change of some sort there would have to be an announcement to market.
With Kaiser not starting up until November they wont have made any difference to this point.
The only thing that could be of interest is the CMS back payments (if any).
CMS payments are starting to flow through apparently but in what numbers remains a mystery so far.

[Minerbarejet]

https://www.pacificedgedx.com/company/careers

If you want an internship with PEB you had better hurry, closes today

[jonu]

The way I see it, today's update has to be in the neutral to good category. I can't see it being bad. There may be a little progress, or hopefully some better than expected progress across a range of fronts.

[Old mate]

Was there an announcement today?

[Alpha]

Is it common for companies not to stick to there Key dates? It does only say end of FY21 half year and announcement of these would be on 30th of November. But there was suppose to also have been an investor update newsletter. Has anyone received this? I have also subscribed via the website.

[Old mate]

No announcement today?

[jimdog31]

No news is good news?!

[Greekwatchdog]

I for one are disappointed. Shareholders were told of an Update in September. Well unless we are on Moscow time, tomorrow is October. Shareholders deserve better given Management performance and promises over the years.

[Leftfield]

I for one are disappointed. Shareholders were told of an Update in September. Well unless we are on Moscow time, tomorrow is October. Shareholders deserve better given Management performance and promises over the years.

Welcome to PEB.....the company has a history of over promising and under delivering

(and yes.... I do hold a few which I judge to be v speculative.)

[tango]

Welcome to PEB.....the company has a history of over promising and under delivering

(and yes.... I do hold a few which I judge to be v speculative.)

Darling was very circumspect during the last ASM about not overpromising but I agree they have a track record of over promising and under delivering

[Alpha]

Why even put a date then they may as well just surprise us all with an update rather than leave us high and dry.

[calledone]

If you look at the previous investor update it happened in early May, but as per the key dates it was supposed to be in March. So maybe September mentioned in key dates is only an indication of when they start preparing the newsletter.

[Minerbarejet]

Usually an update is forthcoming when there is something to update.

One could quite easily draw the conclusion that there is currently nothing of any significance to be added to what is already known.

Anything major would be announced to the market prior anyway so I wouldn't treat any update schedule as gospel and going to contain exciting news.

[Cyclical]

No news is good news?!

Or is it the opposite? If there was some good news around CMS payments for example, you'd think they'd be happy to update us accordingly.

[jonu]

If you look at the previous investor update it happened in early May, but as per the key dates it was supposed to be in March. So maybe September mentioned in key dates is only an indication of when they start preparing the newsletter.

Yes, after nothing by last night, I figured this to be the case too.

[850man]

Or is it the opposite? If there was some good news around CMS payments for example, you'd think they'd be happy to update us accordingly.
Maybe just me trying to lull myself into a state on comfort but I'm also in the no news is good news camp - they've already said CMS payments are coming in. No news tells me that this situation hasn't changed, let's hope this is not false optimism on my part. :D

[Minerbarejet]

Or is it the opposite? If there was some good news around CMS payments for example, you'd think they'd be happy to update us accordingly.
Backdated CMS payments will be under negotiation as revealed earlier.

I'm sure we, via a market announcement, will be the first to know if there is some result as that is a significant issue one way or the other.

Current CMS payments that may be starting to filter through could be for tests performed since the LCD notification.

That seems to be fairly quick relative to historical payments from elsewhere taking an average of 7 months apparently.

[Alpha]

Sent them an email - reply was;

Thank you for your email.

We are currently working on our Investor Update and aim to have this out to shareholders next week.

Kind regards,

Pacific Edge Limited

Guess we have to wait a little longer.

[Cyclical]

Sent them an email - reply was;

Thank you for your email.

We are currently working on our Investor Update and aim to have this out to shareholders next week.

Kind regards,

Pacific Edge Limited

Guess we have to wait a little longer.


I'm impressed you got such an answer. Thanks for sharing.

[bullfrog]

Sent them an email - reply was;

Thank you for your email.

We are currently working on our Investor Update and aim to have this out to shareholders next week.

Kind regards,

Pacific Edge Limited

Guess we have to wait a little longer.


Their reply gives me confidence that we'll be told when anything happens, no good hitting the button on the lift repeatedly, it won't get the lift here any faster. Let's hope we're going to the penthouse for cocktails and not the laundry for skid mark removal.

[James564]

Does PEB do dividends ? If so what date

[Greekwatchdog]

No you have to make money first. Try 3/4 years at a guess assuming they execute.

[Tum Tumz]

"Thank you for your email.

We are currently working on our Investor Update and aim to have this out to shareholders next week.

Kind regards,

Pacific Edge Limited"

Thanks for finding that out Alpha! 👍🏼

[Mel]

My sense is that there's no update of significance - not hard to issue a newsletter with an/some exciting updates; neutral/no news is harder to put words to. Love to be proven wrong when I read their upcoming newsletter :)

[pierre]

My sense is that there's no update of significance - not hard to issue a newsletter with an/some exciting updates; neutral/no news is harder to put words to. Love to be proven wrong when I read their upcoming newsletter :)

Agree. The publication schedule was issued ages ago. There's no way they would know at that point that they would have a dramatic announcement available to include. The newsletter will just be a reiteration of what has occurred over recent months with perhaps progress reports on a few non- price sensitive matters.

The next positive market announcement is what holders are waiting for to get the SP into action again.

[jimdog31]

Agree. The publication schedule was issued ages ago. There's no way they would know at that point that they would have a dramatic announcement available to include. The newslettet will just be a reiteration of what has occurred over recent months with perhaps progress reports on a few non- price sensitive matters.

The next positive market announcement is what holders are waiting for to get the SP into action again.

And in the meantime , what for the price to drift below 60c

[pierre]

My prediction (which has proven to be uncannily correct on many occasions) is that until the newsletter is issued or a market announcement is made, the SP is highly likely to either go up, or down or, remain the same. ;)

[jimdog31]

My prediction (which has proven to be uncannily correct on many occasions) is that until the newsletter is issued or a market announcement is made, the SP is highly likely to either go up, or down or, remain the same. ;)

Lol. I do concur.

Also, I think there's a lot of impatient speculators on this stock who will cashout with not much progress highlighted.

[calledone]

I wonder what ANZ knows that the market does not! Not sure how these big institutions time their buying but I think the second round of buying on market so close after initial investment kind of reveals some inside knowledge.

[pierre]

Lol. I do concur.

Also, I think there's a lot of impatient speculators on this stock who will cashout with not much progress highlighted.

"The stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient" - Warren Buffet.

[Minerbarejet]

My prediction (which has proven to be uncannily correct on many occasions) is that until the newsletter is issued or a market announcement is made, the SP is highly likely to either go up, or down or, remain the same. ;)
You left one out.
Or disappear entirely.:)

[bullfrog]

You left one out.
Or disappear entirely.:)

With ANZ being a major holder in Sept at 0.65 ish, I’m fairly happy tagging along. They’ll be in it for the long term.

[James564]

PEB up 3% today , has it been the calm before the storm, seems like alot of people selling

[Balance]

PEB up 3% today , has it been the calm before the storm, seems like alot of people selling

Lot of people buying too.

[Greekwatchdog]

Update attached
Investor Quarterly Newsletter Update - October 2020 (http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/PEB/361037/332397.pdf)

[calledone]

Looks like a very positive update.

Record revenue in Aug and Sept in US. Wonder what percentage increase we are seeing? Also Singapore recruitment for trials have concluded so the outcome of that might be coming in soon I suppose. Anyone have any clue?

[pierre]

Looks like a very positive update.

Record revenue in Aug and Sept in US. Wonder what percentage increase we are seeing? Also Singapore recruitment for trials have concluded so the outcome of that might be coming in soon I suppose. Anyone have any clue?

I think the positive right now is that while expenses are increasing as they service the current US markets and prospect for more, so too is the cash flow.

With the recent input of $22 million from ANZ and test revenue starting to flow it seems reasonable to assume that shareholders wont be asked to dip into their pockets to support another CR in the foreseeable future. That's got to be a good thing.

As for the rest of PEB's activities - like cheese - good things take time.

[James564]

Great news illd say

[850man]

well it's been a case of "show me the money" for a while now, good to see positive confirmation of the $ rolling in :)

[MarineSalvage]

its OK - record revenues are still off a low base... but progress maybe

[Minerbarejet]

I think the positive right now is that while expenses are increasing as they service the current US markets and prospect for more, so too is the cash flow.

With the recent input of $22 million from ANZ and test revenue starting to flow it seems reasonable to assume that shareholders wont be asked to dip into their pockets to support another CR in the foreseeable future. That's got to be a good thing.

As for the rest of PEB's activities - like cheese - good things take time.
Hi Pierre,
They finally seem to be on the right track.
The big change has been the acceptance of cxBladder by Kaiser Permanente
Kaiser spent a lot of time and money trying to develop their own test which they abandoned so it speaks volumes to have cxBladder whole heartedly accepted.

With Kaiser having about 1/27th of the US population under its wing and readily available figures on the prevalence of Bladder Cancer a bit of the old Back of the Envelope produces some interesting results if they adopt it into their clinical procedures as planned.
It says in the update all the tests are to be utilized by Kaiser.

One also notes that it says the update is Quarterly, so we can look forward to a more orderly and reliable source of information.

Cheers
Miner

[Greekwatchdog]

Hi Miner, Wondering when you exceptions are for PEB to be profitable? In my head without seeing any new figures I have 2022 on current sales network. Very difficult to work as also expect costs to increase with Staff levels...

[Minerbarejet]

Gidday, mate.
No idea really, currently, still operating on potential.
However if they are getting record sales or revenues WITHOUT Kaiser being involved fully, as yet, there would seem to be a good chance of big improvements.
Note also that July August and September are usually at pretty low levels anyway in the US due to holidays, chuck in a bit of Covid as well and they still came out on top with record revenue.
Looks as if we get quarterly updates at the completion of the quarter from here on.
January could give some indication of KP influence
Cheers
Miner

[Greekwatchdog]

Thanks Miner. Happy Holder here.

[jimdog31]

Are we looking like for dec inclusion on the nzx 50?

[thegreatestben]

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/10/12/2106784/0/en/Pacific-Edge-Diagnostics-Notified-of-CMS-LCD-Coverage-for-Cxbladder.html

[calledone]

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/10/12/2106784/0/en/Pacific-Edge-Diagnostics-Notified-of-CMS-LCD-Coverage-for-Cxbladder.html

Old news!?

[thegreatestben]

Wasn’t sure if it’s the same information or not, story being published a few places overnight?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pacific-edge-diagnostics-notified-cms-120000356.html

Is this just bots regurging old news?

[baaantom]

Yes that's nothing new.

[thegreatestben]

Apologies for that!

[baaantom]

This will be good though, spreading the word overseas.

[calledone]

Wasn’t sure if it’s the same information or not, story being published a few places overnight?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pacific-edge-diagnostics-notified-cms-120000356.html

Is this just bots regurging old news?

Look like it's continued coverage according to Pacific Edge twitter feed. So it's good news I suppose with more worldwide coverage and possibly more clients coming on board.

https://twitter.com/PacificEdgeLtd

[zs_cecil]

Look like it's continued coverage according to Pacific Edge twitter feed. So it's good news I suppose with more worldwide coverage and possibly more clients coming on board.

https://twitter.com/PacificEdgeLtd

It is very pleasing to see this headline is under the Breaking News column. :t_up:

I take this as a way to increase the awareness of the products to the urologists.
I bet any coverage is also helpful to expose PEB's products to end customers since PEB cannot advertise their products directly to them.

[Minerbarejet]

From the news item:

62 million Medicare patients, the majority of whom are over 65 and in the bladder cancer especially vulnerable area.

Of the 820,000 requiring ongoing monitoring 2 or 3 times a year it would seem to me that a majority of these patients (as in more than 50%) would be Medicare patients.

[baaantom]

PEB into the NZX50 effective October 21 https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361406

[Greekwatchdog]

Interesting day tomorrow..

[jimdog31]

PEB into the NZX50 effective October 21 https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361406

Now for some action!

[Leftfield]

PEB into the NZX50 effective October 21 https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361406

Great news for holders. :t_up:

[Alpha]

How does this increase the price?

[winner69]

How does this increase the price?

Many funds will need to buy if they track the NZX50 and others will feel they need to put in their portfolios in case they miss out (underperform)

They need to do this even if they think PEB is a crap stock

[Beagle]

Think I might double down...weight of money...almost can't lose...well...in the short term anyway...

We're off to the races tomorrow that's for sure :t_up:

[Minerbarejet]

Yeah, well, lets hope we we can stay there this time.

This timely and fortuitous inclusion announcement to go with some rather delayed news activity could set things alight again.

A progress report on obtaining funds owing from CMS was lacking in the recent update.

Probably all Secret Squirrel stuff in the meantime.

Kaiser to start launching very soon in November along with the Half Yearly at the end of the month.

Interesting times.

[pierre]

Anyone game to hazard a guess at tomorrow's closing price?

[Beagle]

Anyone game to hazard a guess at tomorrow's closing price?

Yeap, less than the closing price on the day before index inclusion :t_up:

[pierre]

Haha. Not quite your usual helpful self tonight!
Can you recall which company was the last new entrant into the NZX50 and what happened to its SP after the announcement?

[Beagle]

Too late at night for that mate. Okay I'll humor you...tomorrow's closing price will be higher than today's :lol: Sorry, couldn't resist :p
Quite possibly the first digit on the share price might be a 7 at close tomorrow, there you go.

[Minerbarejet]

The SP will depend on if the impatient bots, short term gain traders and millennials can be convinced not to transfer their funds to patient hands.

However I feel they will take no notice as usual.

[winner69]

Haha. Not quite your usual helpful self tonight!
Can you recall which company was the last new entrant into the NZX50 and what happened to its SP after the announcement?

Serko joined big boys in September

Share price down well since

[winner69]

David must be wetting himself - well done David, you've joined the big boys club after all these years

Soem would say bloody hell - a crap company with stuff all sales to date gets into the NZX50 - what is this index anyway

Never mind the hype and hope will see PEB a great company and richly deserving its place amongst the eite

[Leftfield]

The SP will depend on if the impatient bots, short term gain traders and millennials can be convinced not to transfer their funds to patient hands.
However I feel they will take no notice as usual.

I'm with you Miner, not expecting too much.............IMO we need a favourable revenue/customer update before PEB really takes off.

(but hope I'm wrong... ;) )

[jimdog31]

David must be wetting himself - well done David, you've joined the big boys club after all these years

Soem would say bloody hell - a crap company with stuff all sales to date gets into the NZX50 - what is this index anyway

Never mind the hype and hope will see PEB a great company and richly deserving its place amongst the eite

Its not the first time though is it?

[APH1]

Its not the first time though is it?
No it is not the first time, last time it was announced was 12/3/14 from there the sp rose for 4 days and then tapered off again so wait and see this time around.

[DDog]

Up over 10%. Something coming?

[imarktu]

$0.71 at opening, not a bad start

[Mel]

Opened at $0.71, so a nice little gain. Let's see if it can test its 52 week high of $0.80 but I anticipate that's only going to happen on the back of a positive announcement from PEB.

[stoploss]

Up over 10%. Something coming?
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[tango]

I am surprised the share price is up so much. I thought the index funds would have purchased in advance of the inclusion date

[Mel]

I am surprised the share price is up so much. I thought the index funds would have purchased in advance of the inclusion date
They could have anticipated that PEB would replace MET, but I'm not sure that it was definitive until the NZX announcement yesterday - but I may be mistaken here.

[Minerbarejet]

They have all been caught on the back foot.
The inclusion is a bit earlier than was proposed and they hadn't positioned themselves to accommodate that by the looks of the reaction.

[calledone]

They have all been caught on the back foot.
The inclusion is a bit earlier than was proposed and they hadn't positioned themselves to accommodate that by the looks of the reaction.

Looks like funds are slowly digging in. Will be interesting close today.

[ba9]

Trading halt :(

[LEMON]

PEB on Halt?

[calledone]

The normal 10 or so mins halt for a price sensitive news?

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361436

[stoploss]

PEB on Halt?
Surely they haven't given them a speeding ticket ?

[imarktu]

Depth looking interesting
12012

[Minerbarejet]

Probably a speeding ticket on no announcement from PEB.
However, I dont see where PEB has to announce anything prior to the inclusion event.
Ordered market and all that stuff.
Watch this lot, sellers drying up, or so it seems.:)

[pierre]

The news was announced here last night:

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361406

Surely PEB not getting slapped for not publishing the news till 10:29 this morning?

[Getty]

PEB on Halt?

Their bladder has failed them, so they had to stop for a wee wee

[calledone]

The news was announced here last night:

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361406

Surely PEB not getting slapped for not publishing the news till 10:29 this morning?

Back online! So it was the 15min mandatory halt on price sensitive news.

[jonu]

The big question is...how many of the big boys are caught short in their holding requirements? They've got a week to get on board.

[calledone]

The big question is...how many of the big boys are caught short in their holding requirements? They've got a week to get on board.

Why a week?

[jonu]

Why a week?

The announcement says it happens before trading on the 21st. It may not be a strict date for their holding levels and they maybe happy to accumulate after. I don't know how rigid they are.

[Cyclical]

I am surprised the share price is up so much. I thought the index funds would have purchased in advance of the inclusion date

There's probably a certain amount of that, but nothing was definitive with HLG in the running too, which has subsequently pulled back a little presumably off the back of the disappointment of non-inclusion...December for that one maybe ;)

[jridler]

Some consolidation at these levels over a period of weeks would be healthy before the next breakout.

[baaantom]

Sounds promising. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361510

[jonu]

Sounds promising. https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361510

Yes, I take it as a positive sign also. They seem to be gearing up to operate at scale.

[Minerbarejet]

With Pacific Edge operating a lean team for years the sudden increase in personnel suggests to me that a significant

amount of cash is starting to flow through already.

[baaantom]

My thinking too. I'm sure they wouldn't make such a large organisational change without seeing some good numbers first.

[James564]

very happy i doubled my investment in the .60s on that dip, was thinking it may not be until next year until we see any positive news, PEB to a $1 ! :t_up:

[jimdog31]

Anybody picking a lot off off market deals tues COB at VWAP? Or has the vacuuming already begun

[calledone]

Anybody picking a lot off off market deals tues COB at VWAP? Or has the vacuuming already begun

Yes I would think so. Looking at how KMD and SKO traded on the day before inclusion recently.

[Merc]

I have a lot to learn about the sharemarket. Learnt a lot in the last decade or so but still have many questions...Too many questions...

From my understanding there are 2 sorts of managed funds:

1. Those run by people (some people a LOT better than others!) who pick and choose where to invest. They tend to have higher fees, whether they do well... or not

2. Those who have some sort of automation in place. Like buying into the NZX 10, 50 or whatever with appropriate weightings according to placement on the index (or however they work it). These tend to have lower fees.

QUESTION:
If PEB is to enter the NZX50 on 21st October:
- Are people involved in the "some sort of automation scenario" who can rationalize and buy a week or 2 early or a week or 2 later?
- Or do the computers kick into gear in the early hours of the 21st and make the decisions?

[Minerbarejet]

This may be helpful.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/mutualfund/07/fw_index.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/passiveinvesting.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/active_index_fund.asp

It would seem there are many different ways of doing this and invariably most involve a manager of some sort.

I think there would be very few with a binary yes/no/ = in/out precipitated by a list inclusion/deletion of a completely passive fund determined on the actual date of inclusion/deletion.

This inclusion is not done and dusted as yet and I believe hinges on an approval regarding the company under deletion so there is that to consider.

Imagine the fracas if a passive fund bought massively into PEB prior to confirmation, the deal fell through, and the current incumbent remained in place.

Tricky isnt it.

[jridler]

I found this interesting - a forum for Bladder Cancer patients in the USA and, in some cases, direct users of Cxbladder: https://www.inspire.com/groups/bladder-cancer-advocacy-network/. The feedback for the most part is very positive.

[pierre]

Wow - looks like some high volume action at the close today - and a nice lift in the SP. Over 18 million shares crossing at 77cents!


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[thegreatestben]

Anyone found a reason? That’s a bit of activity!

[jonu]

Anyone found a reason? That’s a bit of activity!

PEB enters the NZX50 tomorrow

[baaantom]

Surely it's a fund buying up big prior to NZX50 inclusion tomorrow?

[Beagle]

NZX50 inclusion, effectively funds must have bought that track the NZX50 on or before the close of business today.

[thegreatestben]

Ah so it would be on the met removal being a sure thing?

https://www.nzx.com/announcements/361771

[Beagle]

Yes the index change was conditional on that final high court order.

[pierre]

Yes the index change was conditional on that final high court order.

Might see some more action tomorrow from those that missed the bus today?

[Balance]

Might see some more action tomorrow from those that missed the bus today?

Unlikely - you can see from the inclusion of Serko in September and NPH in June that it's all done & dusted on the day of the inclusion.

[calledone]

Unlikely - you can see from the inclusion of Serko in September and NPH in June that it's all done & dusted on the day of the inclusion.

I think so too, it was same for KMD in July.

[jimdog31]

Yes the index change was conditional on that final high court order.

Generally what follows now? bot buying over the coming weeks or sideways action?

[Beagle]

Generally what follows now? bot buying over the coming weeks or sideways action?

That as they say, is the $64,000 question...

It got about a 13 cent share price boost from inclusion in the NZX50 as a one off event. Sometimes these one-off index inclusion events are good for shares as they raise awareness and get the stock onto institutions radar screen and other times some shares revert back to their pre index inclusion pricing.

[jimdog31]

That as they say, is the $64,000 question...

I'm hoping the answer is worth more than $64,000:t_up:

[Greekwatchdog]

Lock it in your Diary, Nov 26 Half Year..

[pierre]

Lock it in your Diary, Nov 26 Half Year..

The news will only be good from now on - we just have to be patient and wait for the announcements. Same applies to BLT.

A quinella on the Dunedin-based outfits looks like a pretty good bet to me

[Leftfield]

The news will only be good from now on - we just have to be patient and wait for the announcements. Same applies to BLT.

A quinella on the Dunedin-based outfits looks like a pretty good bet to me

Check out the 20 Million shares that went through late today at 77c.

12030

Interest growing.

[golden city]

Something is cooking takeover comming ?

[Leftfield]

Something is cooking takeover comming ?

Or MET funds finding an early home on NZX50 inclusion....... whatever it is, I like it.