Labour govt 2020-23

[Balance]

"It will not be the policy of any government I lead to embark on another substantial reform of local government or governance unless it is sought and unless and there is broad consensus amongst local government about the need for and the direction of change," Ardern said.

This was under a heading in her speech: The Future for Local Government is up to you.

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Only a barefaced hypocrite and liar would make those comments that Ardern just made about local government.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-...2IDW54M2NLM5E/

Aptly described by Michael Laws who pulled no punches :

"Given the duplicity of this Government over Three Waters, the PM's statement has as much credibility as Russia assuring Ukrainians that they only bomb military targets."

[Logen Ninefingers]

"It will not be the policy of any government I lead to embark on another substantial reform of local government or governance unless it is sought and unless and there is broad consensus amongst local government about the need for and the direction of change," Ardern said.

This was under a heading in her speech: The Future for Local Government is up to you.

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Only a barefaced hypocrite and liar would make those comments that Ardern just made about local government.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-...2IDW54M2NLM5E/

Aptly described by Michael Laws who pulled no punches :

"Given the duplicity of this Government over Three Waters, the PM's statement has as much credibility as Russia assuring Ukrainians that they only bomb military targets."

'Oh, but of course 'co-governance' is necessary, and something that the important decision makers - Iwi and Whanua - are all agreed on'.

[Bjauck]

777 gives me a bad rep because he's never heard of the commonly used political acronym LOTO standing for 'Leader of the Opposition'.
This is a political thread 777, you'll find its been used here regularly for several years & its not some sort of hidden insult to Luxon as you seem to think.

(Btw, you gave me a bad rep & then did you remove it? )

I think we should use more acronyms and abbreviations in the same way the USians use SCOTUS, POTUS, FLOTUS, Veep. We have our own HMTQ, SCONZ, GG, PM, LOTO, HOR etc.

[Bjauck]

"It will not be the policy of any government I lead to embark on another substantial reform of local government or governance unless it is sought and unless and there is broad consensus amongst local government about the need for and the direction of change," Ardern said.

This was under a heading in her speech: The Future for Local Government is up to you.

———————-/—————————

Only a barefaced hypocrite and liar would make those comments that Ardern just made about local government.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-...2IDW54M2NLM5E/

Aptly described by Michael Laws who pulled no punches :

"Given the duplicity of this Government over Three Waters, the PM's statement has as much credibility as Russia assuring Ukrainians that they only bomb military targets."

I am not sure if its worthy of the C21st version of Godwin's law - comparing things to Russia's "liberation" of Ukraine from "Nazis." However I don't see how serious (as opposed to lip-service) co-governance and local democracy are compatible.

The Treaty of Waitangi was between separate entities with different home territories (The UK and the various Iwi) when there were few British people in NZ. It has become a nightmare to honour when the home territories of both sides overlap (NZ and Iwi) while desiring to have a democratic government in NZ.

[fungus pudding]

I think we should use more acronyms and abbreviations in the same way the USians use SCOTUS, POTUS, FLOTUS, Veep. We have our own HMTQ, SCONZ, GG, PM, LOTO, HOR etc.

Who or what would that help, and if any of either, how would it?

[Blue Skies]

Who or what would that help, and if any of either, how would it?

Acronyms are useful devices for saving time & clarification.
e.g. who wants to write 'Accident Compensation Corporation' everytime instead of ACC?
Or 'Information & Communication Technology' instead of ICT.
Or 'Canterbury District Health Board' instead of CDHB

They're also useful identifiers e.g. how many could instantly name the present Governor General, & if we say Kiro how would many instantly recognise that's referring to GG Kiro ?
Or if the name Diana Safarti came up, would you immediately recognise her as the new Director General of Health ? DGH Safarti is much clearer.

[fungus pudding]

Acronyms are useful devices for saving time & clarification.
e.g. who wants to write 'Accident Compensation Corporation' everytime instead of ACC?
Or 'Information & Communication Technology' instead of ICT.
Or 'Canterbury District Health Board' instead of CDHB

They're also useful identifiers e.g. how many could instantly name the present Governor General, & if we say Kiro how would many instantly recognise that's referring to GG Kiro ?
Or if the name Diana Safarti came up, would you immediately recognise her as the new Director General of Health ? DGH Safarti is much clearer.

ACC is well known, so fair enough; but HMTQ, SCONZ, GG, PM, LOTO, HOR? Fair enough to use these if you want your message to be ignored.

[westerly]

[QUOTE=Balance;967815]"It will not be the policy of any government I lead to embark on another substantial reform of local government or governance unless it is sought and unless and there is broad consensus amongst local government about the need for and the direction of change," Ardern said.

This was under a heading in her speech: The Future for Local Government is up to you.

———————-/—————————

Only a barefaced hypocrite and liar would make those comments that Ardern just made about local government.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-...2IDW54M2NLM5E/

Aptly described by Michael Laws who pulled no punches :

"Given the duplicity of this Government over Three Waters, the PM's statement has as much credibility as Russia assuring Ukrainians that they only bomb military targets."

To be expected from Laws a one time National MP.
Council rates are a major driver of inflation. Most of the opposition to 3 Waters is because when introduced the unthinkable must happen. For the first time ever Local Bodies would find it hard not to substantially reduce rates. (and their bureaucracy)

westerly

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-fr...TCEL75BUQ2HU4/

The Front Page: Why Labour will be watching Greens leadership stoush closely

Who would have thought that the Green's Rickety Shaw would affect Labour already diminishing prospects ?

As if shooting themselves in both feet at every corner in the path wasn't enough to seal their fate ..

[nztx]

Anyone who thinks that Labour's THREE WATERS will result in any decrease in Local Body Rates
needs to think again.

The likely course - Local Bodies taking the Government bribes will simply pay off Debt then
embark on a further extensive Wish List of expensive projects in other areas of their empires
to try to justify as close to their current rates takes as before..

What happens when Property QV's reduce - Spending doesn't reduce much but the rates
struck on CV or LV just get ramped up.

In good times of increasing property values Councils score large windfalls to fund further
projects hanging in the winds, to expend as much of the windfalls as possible,
There is no incentive for Councils to reduce what they swipe out of Taxpayer's pockets

Blame Helen Clark's Government for allowing Councils and Local Bodies to proliferate
into largely unaccountable spendthrift organisations like a blight on the land
largely out of control, not too dissimilar to Ardern's Government of uncontrolled minorities
hijacking the excuse for Central Government for their own selfish splinter faction goals

Local Body Rates will not decrease overall by much if anything - Think Councils collect Double Payday

The ratepayers will soon find that they get saddled with the rapidly escalating costs of Mahuta's
Three Waters disaster , on top of further Rates rises as Local Bodies focus on other new
projects in their realm to keep their staff occupied as if there is no tomorrow

Am I wrong ?

Anyone who supports THREE WATERS needs to seriously rethink likely future Outcomes

Try Very Expensive Water Solutions times how many in each captive entity ?

Bases & support in every locality and the regional entities uncontrollably lurching from
disaster to the next trying to make each the same or similar as the next, blindly ignoring locals who
they were supposed to be delivering enhanced service to..

Let's not forget the further duplicate layers of bureaucracy pretending they are managing
and directing each facet of the three waters reimaged disaster..

Anyone ever seen a Council substantially reduce Rates & worked out how long that lasted
before their greedy little fingers dreamt up new ways to plunder further bills from captive wallets

Try inflationary effects on Council costs flowing through into Rates (7% 8% 10% + ?)

Anyone ever seen Central Government meddling ever deliver any medium term benefits,
but instead Politicians generally being seen getting things badly wrong instead ?

Look further at the Current Government's recent track record in non delivery on almost
all of their flagship projects which have mostly turned into very expensive curry funded
by the Taxpayer, while delivering up little if any of the solutions that were spun