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[Balance]

Yip, I heard that interview and a subsequent one.

So back to the question from Ryan with his example - do we need to order more like Australia because we didn't order enough?
Ardern answered that we had ordered enough for the entire population and that is true still.

The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that.

Nope - Ryan asked Cindy if she needs to get more vaccine like ScoMo (with the UK) since she made the point that vaccination is the key and needs ramping up. Should she be making phone calls like ScoMo to get more vaccine? Nothing to do with how much vaccine she has already ordered. Does she need to order more like ScoMo to facilitate a ramp up.

Her reply was 'We don't need more vaccine."

Next we know, she is crowing from the spin mountain created by her army of PR spin merchants how wonderful a job she has done to secure more vaccine.

She and you, dobby41, cannot have it both ways.

Point is that she lies and spins, and now she is getting caught out big time because like all liars and spin merchants, she cannot remember all the lies and half truths & spins she has told out there.

[dobby41]

So the example - ScoMo wanted more vaccine because they hadn't purchased enough!

So if we had purchased 'enough', why are we scrambling to buy more? Ardern answered the question by saying that we didn't need more vaccine, why are we now scrambling to get extra vaccine!?!

Logic is not your strong point dobby. Are you really going to start using a term like 'enough' here, as in Australia didn't have 'enough', but we apparently do have 'enough' (but are scarmbling to get more).

Nope - Ryan asked Cindy if she needs to get more vaccine like ScoMo (with the UK) since she made the point that vaccination is the key and needs ramping up. Should she be making phone calls like ScoMo to get more vaccine? Nothing to do with how much vaccine she has already ordered. Does she need to order more like ScoMo to facilitate a ramp up.

Her reply was 'We don't need more vaccine."

Next we know, she is crowing from the spin mountain created by her army of PR spin merchants how wonderful a job she has done to secure more vaccine.

She and you, dobby41, cannot have it both ways.

Point is that she lies and spins, and now she is getting caught out big time because like all liars and spin merchants, she cannot remember all the lies and half truths & spins she has told out there.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you being purposely obtuse?
To repeat
"10mil doses are enough for us all to have 2 jabs but a bit left for our Pacific neighbours.
We were jabbing at a greater rate than the plan and supply would allow so the timing of supply was an issue.
Even blind Freddie can see the difference."

"The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that. "

[dobby41]

Again, you are confusing Australia with just NSW & Victoria.

Bring out the map of Australia and be enlightened.

So we were supposed to know which bits to follow when NSW and VIC were following the Australian plan?
Spin it how you wish - we were fortunate we didn't follow what you wanted.

[dobby41]

Logic is not your strong point dobby. Are you really going to start using a term like 'enough' here, as in Australia didn't have 'enough', but we apparently do have 'enough' (but are scarmbling to get more).

We ordered 10mil doses - do you think this would be enough?
Australia didn't order 50mil for their population, they decided what the % mix would be and got it wrong.

[Bill Smith]

Hey dobby41, how much do you get paid for defending Labour's racist policies?

He gets free dancing lessons. "How to dance on the head of a pin" is the current class!

[dobby41]

Like the Government you are just playing with words. The fact is that when vaccination rates belatedly picked up in NZ, the Government was caught off guard once again with a very limited amount of vaccines in the country, so they desperately needed to do deals with Spain & Denmark to help with supply. But of course the duplicitous PM won't tell us how much we had to pay for those deliveries.

Facts are facts!
The Govt published a vaccination plan some time ago and this was produced to match when the supply was to come.
For whatever reason the bulk of the supply was coming in October (and that is what should be debated).
Prior to Delta arriving we (the country) were running, overall, about 5% above plan.
When Delta hit suddenly people wanted to get vaccinated (I suggested that as a possibility prior) and the Govt had 3 option
- run out and stop until supply arrived
- force the vaccination to stick to the plan potentially missing people who were now hot on the topic
- get some extra supply now - prior to the planned arrival.

They did the last and it worked.

What will we do with the excess now? We have, probably, 1mil doses extra, certainly 775 shots more than we wanted.
We could use them for the booster if they don't expire prior or donate them into the Covax pool.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you being purposely obtuse?
To repeat
"10mil doses are enough for us all to have 2 jabs but a bit left for our Pacific neighbours.
We were jabbing at a greater rate than the plan and supply would allow so the timing of supply was an issue.
Even blind Freddie can see the difference."

"The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that. "

I know who is being obtuse: you.

When you have 'enough' vaccine you don't start scrambling to get more from Spain and Denmark.

[dobby41]

I know who is being obtuse: you.

When you have 'enough' vaccine you don't start scrambling to get more from Spain and Denmark.

Context and timing aren't your strong points, are they? Not to mention logic.
I'll simplify the process for you:
- We have ordered 10 millions doses - would that be enough?
- If yes then we 'ordered enough'.
- Then we get - are they arriving at the right time?
- If the answer is No then that needs to be sorted.

So simple even you might get it.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Context and timing aren't your strong points, are they? Not to mention logic.
I'll simplify the process for you:
- We have ordered 10 millions doses - would that be enough?
- If yes then we 'ordered enough'.
- Then we get - are they arriving at the right time?
- If the answer is No then that needs to be sorted.

So simple even you might get it.

- Then we get - are they arriving at the right time?
- If the answer is No then that needs to be sorted.

Our vaccines are not arriving at the right time (will Hipkins and Ardern admit this?) so therefore we do not have 'enough' vaccine on hand when it is needed, and consequently the government has been caught out (yet again) and went scrambling to get more from Spain and Denmark.

[dobby41]

- Then we get - are they arriving at the right time?
- If the answer is No then that needs to be sorted.

Our vaccines are not arriving at the right time (will Hipkins and Ardern admit this?) so therefore we do not have 'enough' vaccine on hand when it is needed, and consequently the government has been caught out (yet again) and went scrambling to get more from Spain and Denmark.

Then we get back to the start.
I gather that you agree that we have purchased 'enough' vaccines to vaccinate our population.
Ryan asked the question in the context of ScoMo needing more vaccines because they didn't buy enough for their population.
In a later interview, he clarified that he meant did we have 'enough' to not have to stall the vaccination rate.

At the 1st interview, Ardern stated, in her answer, that we had purchased 'enough' vaccine for our population. It was clear what question she was answering.
Ryan should have rephrased if that wasn't the question he meant.