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    $1.9 billion on mental health by Ardern and it’s in a mess.

    The Little cannot manage any improvements to the Mental Health sector and so, watch & wait for the big disaster from his Health NZ reform.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/great-...VZBTMW3DX73JE/

    Inspectors from the Children's Commissioner's office visited the Regional Rangatahi Adolescent Inpatient Service (RRAIS), a 12-bed facility in Porirua, twice in the past year-and-a-half and found a multitude of alarming problems relating to staffing, the physical state of the unit, and the wellbeing of patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Balance politicising a death.

    Just another day on sharetrader politics section.
    He does it without even knowing the facts - a very sad person is (un)balance.

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    If anyone wants to see the most depraved instance of using deaths for political expediency - try Pike River where 29 dead miners & their families were shamelessly used by Ardern, Peters and Little to gain votes.

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO21...river-mine.htm

    Excerpt :

    "Minister for Pike River Recovery Andrew Little, who ordered the shutdown of the investigation, was the head of the EPMU when Pike River exploded. This is a clear conflict of interest, since the union was complicit in the disaster. It took no action to stop workers entering the mine, despite knowing about the unsafe conditions. In the days after the disaster, Little defended the company’s safety record.

    The government’s move to seal and walk away from the mine as quickly as possible raises disturbing questions of vital importance to the working class in New Zealand and internationally: What is the government seeking to bury, and why?

    Little has claimed that it is too technically difficult, unsafe and expensive to proceed into the mine workings. These claims are demonstrably false."

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    Today we have Luxon saying un vaxxed health workers should be allowed back & mandates repealed & the govt should admit it made a mistake, versus National spokesperson for Covid Chris Bishop saying he fully supports mandates for vaccination for all healthcare workers & that it would be nuts to have an unvaccinated Nurse looking after someone in ICU!

    This is the trouble with National at the moment, Luxon's just winging it with no substance behind the waffle. They're all over the place.

    Every second statement is explaining what he really meant by the previous statement, latest e.g. that "NZ businesses are too soft"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Today we have Luxon saying un vaxxed health workers should be allowed back & mandates repealed & the govt should admit it made a mistake, versus National spokesperson for Covid Chris Bishop saying he fully supports mandates for vaccination for all healthcare workers & that it would be nuts to have an unvaccinated Nurse looking after someone in ICU!

    This is the trouble with National at the moment, Luxon's just winging it with no substance behind the waffle. They're all over the place.

    Every second statement is explaining what he really meant by the previous statement, latest e.g. that "NZ businesses are too soft"
    Links and references to your claim.

    I cannot find any contradictions as you posted anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Links and references to your claim.

    I cannot find any contradictions as you posted anywhere.

    Here's one of the times on record Chris Bishop as National party spokesperson on Covid spoke supporting vaccine mandates & National's own record flip flopped several times on this issue .
    And though I can't provide a link for this, this morning on ZB on Keri Woodhams show, Luxon said he would get rid of vaccination mandates for health workers & the govt should apologise for getting vaccine mandates wrong.

    We're now in the middle of a surging 2nd wave & Covid is rapidly spreading again. Over 10,000 cases a day multiplied over a week means a heck of a lot of pretty sick people not working or sick but working from home & 700 cases in hospital with numbers rising.
    I can't think of a single immunocompromised chemo patient or anyone recovering from major surgery or in ICU from a car accident or major injury wanting an unvaccinated nurse near them in this latest surging Covid wave.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/...hcare-workers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Here's one of the times on record Chris Bishop as National party spokesperson on Covid spoke supporting vaccine mandates & National's own record flip flopped several times on this issue .
    And though I can't provide a link for this, this morning on ZB on Keri Woodhams show, Luxon said he would get rid of vaccination mandates for health workers & the govt should apologise for getting vaccine mandates wrong.

    We're now in the middle of a surging 2nd wave & Covid is rapidly spreading again. Over 10,000 cases a day multiplied over a week means a heck of a lot of pretty sick people not working or sick but working from home & 700 cases in hospital with numbers rising.
    I can't think of a single immunocompromised chemo patient or anyone recovering from major surgery or in ICU from a car accident or major injury wanting an unvaccinated nurse near them in this latest surging Covid wave.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/...hcare-workers/
    Times change and strategies change - that’s just how things are!

    You are referring to Chris Bishop from months and months ago!!!!!! From last year in fact!!!!!

    Try harder. You are sounding desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Times change and strategies change - that’s just how things are!

    You are referring to Chris Bishop from months and months ago!!!!!! From last year in fact!!!!!

    Try harder. You are sounding desperate.

    National's Chris Bishop was right when he said it then and its still just as right now, "it would be nuts to have an unvaccinated nurse looking after someone in ICU" .

    There has been an immediate & strong push back from patients & doctors to Luxon's statement he would get rid of vaccine mandates for health workers & the govt should apologise for getting vaccine mandates wrong.

    You have to remember out of something like over 30,000 nurses, there was only a few hundred who were anti vax & some of those anti vaccine nurses were completely balmy.
    Remember the nurse who said her sister who had been vaccinated touched her pet lamb & the lamb's blood immediately turned black & the lamb died.
    Luxon may thinks it's fine to politicise this or more probably once again winging it without thinking it through, but most people don't want nurses who don't believe in modern evidence based medicine near patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    National's Chris Bishop was right when he said it then and its still just as right now, "it would be nuts to have an unvaccinated nurse looking after someone in ICU" .

    There has been an immediate & strong push back from patients & doctors to Luxon's statement he would get rid of vaccine mandates for health workers & the govt should apologise for getting vaccine mandates wrong.

    You have to remember out of something like over 30,000 nurses, there was only a few hundred who were anti vax & some of those anti vaccine nurses were completely balmy.
    Remember the nurse who said her sister who had been vaccinated touched her pet lamb & the lamb's blood immediately turned black & the lamb died.
    Luxon may thinks it's fine to politicise this or more probably once again winging it without thinking it through, but most people don't want nurses who don't believe in modern evidence based medicine near patients.
    Plenty of people who are sick would prefer to have a nurse or doctor to treat them, vaccinated or otherwise, than not. The RATs are there to ensure they are COVID free before they go to work. This is what Australia is doing except for elderly care workers.

    Tell the thousands of cancer sufferers that they have a choice whether to have their surgeries & procedures postponed due to staff shortages or do they prefer to have unvaccinated staff who have negative RATs attend to them. What do you think this grandmother would choose if given the choice of vaccinated or unvaccinated staff as to whether she could have her surgery on time to save her eye?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dai...ays-in-surgery

    But you are deflecting (as usual) from your attempt at misinformation - spreading lies that Luxon has a different opinion from Bishop when they don't. Time marches on, risk settings change and a progressive strategic approach changes accordingly.

    Unlike Ardern & Little - still refusing to acknowledge that there is a health crisis when the majority of frontline staff say so :

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...ety-risks.html

    Excerpt : "Health Minister on Tuesday refused to use the 'c-word', even though leading GPs, surgeons, nurses, aged care workers and midwives all say the system is in crisis and that Andrew Little should admit it."

    Meanwhile,
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    Wow, just listened to Susie Fergusson on RNZ Morning Report holding Luxon to account over several comments he's made recently while Luxon tries to waffle & babble his way out of it, but Susie having none of it!

    Luxon once again explaining & explaining what he said wasn't what he meant over comments NZ businesses are getting too soft.

    Trying to waffle his way out of his comments the govt is making it too hard to do business but just babbles when Susie reminds him the World Bank Index rates NZ number one in the world for ease of doing business.

    And fumbles when asked what other medically informed Public health measures he thinks we should ignore when questioned on his stance on allowing anti-vax nurses to work back in hospitals etc.

    This is not what we need in a PM esp at a time when we are facing such massive global problems.


    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...ses-being-soft

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